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Alain & Anne
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Posted: 06 July 2014 at 09:56 |
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Interesting so far, and making me thinking that I should write a comprehensive report about our six years sailing from France to New Zealand with our 430e Uhambo.
All in all we reached New Zealand last November after a two months cruising from Tahiti through Cook Islands, Niue, Tonga and Minerva Reef. We have had the windows repaired and Uhambo is gently sitting in the yard until we return from our "vacations" in France. |
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UHAMBO 430e#004
White hull-teck deck-Yanmar 55hp-long range cruising OCC Our blog: www.uhambo.fr |
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graemefromdownu
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Joined: 01 July 2009 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 217 |
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Posted: 06 July 2014 at 16:43 |
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We are sailing in 461 and whilst I agree with some of Panos's
comments, I would not necessarily shut the door on a 461 or 470. I do
agree on the earlier comment about crew, dishonesty and personality have
constituted most of the tension on our travels. We have had some really
good people, but I would say 50% of them have been dishonest with their
skill levels and experience, their true capabilities. Paper
qualifications are no guarantee of ability, one highly qualified man
nearly put us on the rocks in Las Palmas because he insisted he knew the
capabilities of the boat and found too late a bow thruster is of no use
in winds > 15 knots. In many ways the more qualified the more
arrogant people become and will not accept your advice or knowledge of
your own boat. We also had problems with one crew who hid his (small)
drug stash in his surfboard, this was dealt with firmly. The one other
drawback of crew is you MUST provide them with a Crew Contract to
protect yourself, if anyone wants one please PM me with your email
address. On the plus side we have been able to rest in heavy gale
conditions for 4 days whereas we would have been exhausted if we had to
handle it by ourselves. Because we travel with our 6 year old we are
effectively only 1 1/2 crew and don't always get the sleep we need. Most
of the crew we have had have responded well to our son and often spoilt
him rotten, he has great memories of fishing, snorkelling and making
Lego with friendly people.
On the other hand we have sailed many lovely miles on our own using just the self tacker and mainsail with no problems. The main reefs easily and the self tacker takes out a lot of the work. We always sail conservatively, if it looks like perhaps we should reef, we reef!! The true advantages of the bigger boat revolve around the extra comfort and sea handling, the much larger storage space and extra room for entertaining when you do reach port or anchorage. We have often had 8-12 people around for drinks and supper and the cockpit is generous enough to cope with this number. We are on a journey that may last for 2 years or more, so we carry relatively large quantities of food, extra fuel (240l in drums as well as our tanks), spares for everything we can imagine, clothing (children and wives always need more than you can imagine) plus toys, books, birthday and Christmas presents. Fishing gear, diving gear and scuba tanks, hookah air generators, fuel for the outboard. A veritable chemist shop of vitamin pills, large drug store, medical kit. Much of this all goes under the bilges, we have devised waterproof sections and everything is carefully sorted and packed. We use excel to maintain a large spreadsheet of what food, how much, where it is, use by date. We also use an excellent iPad product called "Whats on my Boat" and "My Boat" which between them enable me to categorise, describe and list every non-food item on the boat. I can also keep maintenance records, trip records and budget on the same system. Yes, you may need to factor in paying a skipper for a section. I hate paying people to sail from one beautiful place to another, on the other hand they do need to keep a roof over their heads somehow in the future. I look upon it as an insurance cost! If I had the choice again, I would still go for the larger vessel. When we have been in rough weather I have always felt safe in her, a great feeling of trust is shared between us. The epoxy hull is very strong with the steel chassis inside. With a 15-20 knot wind on the beam we easily run at 8-9 knots, sometimes 10. If you are going to do a circumnavigation I would definitely look at having made a twin headsail, joined at the luff. You can let both wings out or keep the clews tied together for a superstrong 120% genoa. ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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461: Dreamtime Wanderer, on her way to Australia.
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Mark&Catherine
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Joined: 18 January 2013 Location: Greece Status: Offline Points: 1219 |
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Posted: 06 July 2014 at 17:06 |
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Great tip about the iPad apps, I'm downloading them now
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385 ubulukutu sail number GBR 3350L in Turkey and Greece with Mark and Catherine
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CharlesP
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Joined: 23 September 2010 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1208 |
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Posted: 06 July 2014 at 17:52 |
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Really enjoyed reading your accounts Graeme. Lovely photos. More of both please?
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graemefromdownu
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Posted: 07 July 2014 at 03:53 |
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For those who may be contemplating taking on crew at some point, below is an Agreement I have used on several occasions. NOTE that marine law makes the skipper totally responsible for the repatriation of your crew back to his / her home port or onward to another port that will accept your crew member without an ongoing ticket. Example, an EU citizen can stop off i n another EU country or colony without an onward permit; this is why St Martins and Martinique are popular stops to "off-load" EU crew, apart from the DIY Crew List registration. Also by the crew affirming they have sufficient funds for their own expenses and agreeing to pay their own costs, you at least have one leg to stand on.
I hope no-one minds this relatively long post but I found it difficult to get the right mix of crew agreement and if it helps any fellow sailors, great! Crew Agreement Date:_____________ Dear I am enclosing a copy of the Crew Agreement covering your participation as a crew aboard Sailing Yacht “YOUR BOAT NAME” I know it appears rather legalistic, but it in fact covers everything we spoke about. Having an understanding in writing is prudent for all concerned. I would be grateful if you would complete it, have it witnessed, and send it back to me at your earliest convenience.
Please note each page needs to be initialized where indicated.
Please complete the medical sections on page 1, if appropriate; initial the cost paragraph where indicated; complete the crew details on page 2 and provide two photo-copies of your passport as requested. Then sign and date the agreement on page 4, have it witnessed where indicated and return it to me.
I will complete my parts and send you back a copy for your records. I am sure you understand the need for such an agreement. It helps clarify the situation and is fairly standard information for international ocean passages of this nature. Here we have the information organized in written down form for all to agree upon and be witness.
Skipper______________ CREW AGREEMENT YACHT:TOUR BOAT NAME (here after referred to as " the Yacht") VOYAGE FROM: _______________________ TO: _________________________________ INTENTIONS: This agreement is designed to anticipate problems that might occur while aboard, both at sea or coastal cruising, and thus avoid them. It is designed to protect both the skipper/owner and those who join him. To facilitate inquiries, should anything go wrong, a copy will be sent to the skipper's representative before departure; and I suggest that you send a copy to someone you deem appropriate. It is wise to inform someone at home of your plans. Crewing on S/Y YOUR BOAT NAME works best when all are considered equals. You will be consulted, when appropriate, as a part of decision making, but you must be also willing to share all work, difficulties and dangers. In completing this agreement YOU TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR DECISION TO JOIN, and agree that you are willing to accept all that may come your way. There have been no inducements or promises or consideration that is not fully described in this agreement. The skipper hereby declares his belief that the boat is properly equipped and prepared for the planned voyage, and that he is fully competent to manage, alone or with crew. He invites the crew to test this statement in any way they wish - by their own inquiries and judgement, or with the help of others. When you sign this you agree that you have full investigated and found that the boat is properly equipped and that the skipper is capable , fit and competent. You understand and agree that I am the captain and you must obey all lawful orders. MEDICAL DETAILS: The boat has a well equipped medical kit, and a Satellite Phone with which emergency help may be obtained. However, you must take full responsibility for any current or past medical conditions that may recur, or any medical or health problems that may occur during or as a result of this trip. Make sure that you have ample medication for at least twice as long as the expected passage. You must inform the skipper of any potentially serious conditions that could affect safety at sea. Give details below of any known drug allergies, conditions that might recur, and current medication(s): (mark "NONE" if none)_____________________________________________: ________________________________________________________________
Medical insurance may help save your life. List details of your medical insurance, if any and all contact details: _________________________________________________________: ___________________________________________________________ Apart from spoiling your trip and making it harder for others aboard, seasickness can be dangerous, even fatal. Unless you know, from extensive experience, that you will not be affected, you must have, and be willing to use, reputable seasickness treatment. This is your responsibility. PASSPORTS, VISAS AND REPATRIATION: When you enter another country you will need to have a passport and maybe a visa, and should be able to prove you can get yourself out of the country (other than by yacht) to another country to which you have full right of entry. The simplest way is to have an air ticket, or to carry sufficient cash or credit cards to cover one. You are responsible for this and you understand that you may be asked to furnish proof to the skipper on boarding. TRIP INTERRUPTION: You understand that should you leave the yacht, for whatever reason, at a port other than that to which you had agreed in this agreement, you will be responsible for all your own travel and related costs. You also understand and agree that if you are asked to leave the yacht for reasons of illegal activities, lack of competence, inappropriate behavior, crew incompatibility, illness, or the inability to carry out required tasks, which, in skipper's opinion, is endangering the safe operation of the yacht, you will also be responsible for all your own repatriation costs. However, in this event, the Skipper will take all reasonable measures to disembark you at a suitable port along the intended route, from which you can arrange your travel home. MAINTENANCE WORK: Keeping a cruising boat in safe condition requires work on repairs and maintenance , and this is an obligation to be shared by all aboard. Good crew looks for ways to help, and taking part will make you feel involved. As a guide you should be willing to put in about a half an hour a day, plus half a day per week, on maintenance or and repair to the boat. This does not include domestic work, in which you will also be required to share. COST: You may be asked to contribute an amount of money to cover your actual cost aboard during the journey. To help avoid disagreements, all arrangements and all transactions must be recorded, at the time they are made, in this document initialed by both parties. You agree that at any monies you pay toward your own actual costs of the journey is not for any charter fee or passenger fee for the benefit of the boat or its owner or the skipper, but only for your own share of actual costs of the journey. CREW DETAILS: I will provide along with this agreement two (2) photo copies of the biometric (identity and validity) pages of your passport, that includes information such as: passport number, issue place , date of issue, expiration date, home address; and photo copies of any relevant Visa’s, if necessary, for countries along the journey. Also include other information such as: next of kin's full name, address and telephone number and an alternative contact. __________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________________ DECLARATIONS I have completed the above details fully and honestly, and have volunteered any further information I am aware of that may affect the safe enjoyment of the proposed voyage by all aboard. I do not have in my possession, and will not acquire during the journey, any illegal drugs or weapons and will immediately inform the skipper if I become aware of any on board, or anyone trying to bring such items aboard. I will, if asked, allow the Captain to inspect my personal belongings to affirm that I do not possess any illegal drugs or weapons. I declare, by written statement on this agreement, details of any convictions, in any country, for the involvement with illegal drugs or weapons. I will not carry any packages for any third party on the boat without first requesting permission and inspection from the skipper. I accept that the skipper may change his plans, and will not hold him responsible for transportation to the original destination of any such packages, should that destination not be reached by S/Y YOUR BOAT NAME.
I will make myself familiar with the location and operation of all safety equipment aboard the boat. I will seek to learn all aspects of seamanship by reading appropriate manuals and books aboard, and by asking help from the skipper and others. The responsibility is fully mine to learn and to ask to be taught any skills that I need for safe operation of the boat. If there is anything happening aboard the boat about which I am uncomfortable, I will discuss it with those concerned as soon as possible in order to avoid irreversible resentments that may spoil the atmosphere for all aboard. If the skipper is held responsible for bailing me out of trouble if I transgress local laws and customs, I agree to fully reimburse any cost incurred; and to compensate him for the time lost for every day of delay my action may cause. I take full responsibility for any requirements and cost relating for my entry and exit in countries to be visited by the boat. I agree to share all work aboard, and obey all lawful orders given to me relating to the safe conduct of the boat, at all times. I am aware that there are risks that I will face in this voyage, and take full responsibility for my decision to join the crew. I, or my heirs, next of kin, legal representatives, successors and assigns, and in consideration of the acceptance as a crew member of the S/Y YOUR BOAT NAME, do hereby waive any and all claims which I may have against (owner’s name) Camille Ishak, or any other duly qualified and authorized captain appointed by her, arising out of, or in any way connected with, my participation as a members of the crew of the yacht, and understand and agree that, as a member of the crew of said yacht, I have no recourse or claims of any kind against the vessel or its owner, and shall hold them harmless against all consequences of my participation as a crew member aboard the yacht. This agreement shall be governed by the Laws of the United Kingdom. Crew member: ............................................................................................................................. Skipper: ......................................................... (YOUR NAME HERE) Dated at:________________________this ______day of ________, 20____.
CREW AGREEMENT S/Y YOUR BOAT NAME
WITNESS: On this day personally appeared before me_____________________ as identified by his / her passport and who executed the within and foregoing instrument, and acknowledge that he/she signed the same as his/her free will and voluntary act and deed, for the uses and purposes therein described.
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graemefromdownu
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Posted: 07 July 2014 at 05:47 |
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If anyone wants to read our more detailed blog, here is the link. I am well behind, just in the process of completing French Guiana now.
http://www.climbing-frames-etc.co.uk/DreamtimeWanderer/ If you have any questions please ask. Edited by graemefromdownu - 07 July 2014 at 05:54 |
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panos
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Posted: 07 July 2014 at 05:52 |
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Thanks for sharing
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kweetje
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Joined: 15 September 2009 Location: Belgium Status: Offline Points: 360 |
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Posted: 07 July 2014 at 06:48 |
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Graeme,
thxs a lot for all the information ! I shure wish you a nice further sailing adventure ! We still didn't decide on bigger boat or not, but you stated one very important thing: You need to be confident in your ship. At this moment i have this confidence in our 37 ft. But... for shure if i would be sailing a 470 i would be confident in her also i guess :) |
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First 4000 miles, no substantial problems
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graemefromdownu
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Posted: 27 July 2014 at 15:40 |
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If there are any scandinavian members reading this post, can anyone advise how we can place advert or find an experienced couple preferably with one child age 5-8 who would be interested in sharing the journey Panama to Australia January to August 2015?
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graemefromdownu
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Posted: 05 August 2014 at 20:37 |
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Settled into Columbia after a lovely sail from Curaçao to Cartagena. Hit big seas from Curaçao to Aruba, had to wait 5 days for a good weather window (weather warning for small craft seas over 3m wind excess 35-40 knots). After that the run from Aruba was as good as could be, we sat 24/7 with our twin head sails flying out with no pole, 8-10 knots in 20-25 knots from behind. The twin headsail has proven to be brilliant, we can run within anywhere between 150-210 degrees without the pole, no main, no risks of gybing. If anyone is considering any significant downwind sailing I would strongly recommend. Also we can just let one wing fill out and overlap the other and we have the equivalent of a strong 120% storm genoa.
This part of the world is great, as I write we sit in the Hard Rock cafe in Cartagena having set price lunch ($9), great ambience, fast wifi and bright sunshine. Sometimes we look at one another and cannot believe life can be so rich; South America is so Alive! |
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