Port winch & sprayhood problem

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    The port winches is like this on all the 370`s And you shuld have noticed this before buing the boat, or orderd another sprayhood. I did on my 370. The winches are fastend in a alu plate in the GRP and cannot be moved. Do not spend mony on a lawyer, buy a short winch-handel that will solve your problem.
God luck

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SAMSON Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Lieutenant Joined: 15 April 2008 Location: Bolivia Status: Offline Points: 35	Post Options Post Reply Quote SAMSON Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 November 2008 at 14:50
	The port winches is like this on all the 370`s And you shuld have noticed this before buing the boat, or orderd another sprayhood. I did on my 370. The winches are fastend in a alu plate in the GRP and cannot be moved. Do not spend mony on a lawyer, buy a short winch-handel that will solve your problem. God luck

Oddmund Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Joined: 07 May 2008 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 176	Post Options Post Reply Quote Oddmund Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 November 2008 at 15:01
	I am now aware of the fact that this is the same for all 370's. This means that the dealer was aware of this when I bought the boat, my position is then that he should have made me aware of this. The sprayhood is delivered from the Hanse factory. I am meeting with my lawyer next week to have his feedback, if he means that I have a fair chanse in court then this is where it will end
	S/Y Havsula. 370#569

SAMSON Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Lieutenant Joined: 15 April 2008 Location: Bolivia Status: Offline Points: 35	Post Options Post Reply Quote SAMSON Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 November 2008 at 15:11
	I still think this is a waste of money, and the sprayhood is not deliverd by the yard, but from Wendel& Rados. I orderd mine from a local dealer and have no problems at all. Bare in mind that sailors around the world have different needs. The yard can olely build the boat in one standard, and they do.

Oddmund Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Joined: 07 May 2008 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 176	Post Options Post Reply Quote Oddmund Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 November 2008 at 15:17
	If this is a problem only with the W&R Sprayhood it means that the dealer knew that they sold me a sprayhood that could not be used with the 370.
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colincooper Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Rear Admiral Joined: 23 October 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 562	Post Options Post Reply Quote colincooper Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 November 2008 at 16:03
	Have you tried a short-handled winch handle? Works for us.
	Colin (owner of Hilde - a 370)

FriFlyt Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Lieutenant Joined: 28 May 2008 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 46	Post Options Post Reply Quote FriFlyt Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 November 2008 at 16:22
	I agree with you Oddmund. The point is that we bought the boats with the sprayhood from Nelson Marine (norw. dealer), not the yard or W&R. According to norwegian law, we can claim the dealer for failures on the product delivered. If it was not so, the dealer could ask us to claim the yard, and the yard could refer to all their suppliers (Simrad, Jefa, GPR-factories, Selden and so) Colin: A shorter handle works for you, but are you complete satisfied with that? It will absolutely be an easy solution for this problem, but wouldn't that make the use of the winch less powerful?
	FriFlyt 370#332

Stella*Nova Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Vice Admiral Joined: 25 January 2004 Location: Lelystad / NL Status: Offline Points: 776	Post Options Post Reply Quote Stella*Nova Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 November 2008 at 16:51
	We have the same Problem. As the sailmaker was on the boat to size the sprayhood I told him I would like to have enough space to turn the winches completely. He told me this is not a problem but then he must built a bulky sprayhood that won't look very good. I discussed that with my "boss" and we agreed it would be better to have a better looking sprayhood. For what do we need the winch? The sheets we have on the backmost winches. So we need the winches on the roof mainly for tightening the halyards and for the reefs. And that works fine if you have only 3/4 of the round of the winch. What we do need now is a longer handle to have more power at the heavy winch speed. The Sprayhood follows the line of the boat Edited by Stella*Nova - 04 November 2008 at 16:55
	BR Ralf, Ex. 'a mare' H370

Oddmund Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Joined: 07 May 2008 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 176	Post Options Post Reply Quote Oddmund Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 November 2008 at 16:58
	You should all be aware that W&R operate on the Hanse property and is the Hanse Yard's representative for Yacht accesories.The only one. They are also listed on the Hanse Yard homepage and even though they are two different legal entities the are "hand-in-glove" in this context. Personall I think that the root cause most likely is an engineering mistake. To change the mold is quite costly and my guess is that they(the yard) have calculated that most customers will not complain to much over this. As long as the dealers refuse to pay for a fix and no-one drag's the dealers to court then they do get away with it pretty easy. This is off cource pure speculation but Im working in an manufacuring facility so it's not to complicated to guess why this has not been changed at the factory side if it has been a known fact since the 370 was launched. It is indeed as Ralf says - it is whan the wind blows hard that this becomes a problem Edited by Oddmund - 04 November 2008 at 17:00
	S/Y Havsula. 370#569

Peter-Blake Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admiral of the Fleet Joined: 04 March 2008 Status: Offline Points: 2471	Post Options Post Reply Quote Peter-Blake Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 November 2008 at 17:29
	@Ralf, well i have a sprayhood where both Standartwinchhandles work 360°. And i think it looks nice the boat with the sprayhood. look here: http://www.myhanse.com/uploads/20080516_171308_Hafen_Burgtiefe.jpg http://www.myhanse.com/uploads/20080516_172906_Sprayhood_made_.jpg BTW: If you sail with a genoa or a gennaker you need the front winch on port for the mainsheet! BTW2: Usually all winches work clockwise, so the port winch has to be mounted on a little diffrent position to the other one. Edited by Peter-Blake - 04 November 2008 at 17:47
	Blake 370

Oddmund Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Joined: 07 May 2008 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 176	Post Options Post Reply Quote Oddmund Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 November 2008 at 17:39
	Blake could you upload a picture of the port winch + measure the lengt of the winch handle + measure the distance from the hatch/edges to both winches? Blake what hull #number is your 370?
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