Port winch & sprayhood problem

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   We find the short winch is easily powerful enough for those winches.  I really think that if you need more power than it provides you have a problem somewhere and are endangering breaking something.

It may not be "ideal" but it works.  Hanse provided one short and one long winch.  I always assumed this is why.  The long handle is for the side winches that are capable and need more power.

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colincooper Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Rear Admiral Joined: 23 October 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 562	Post Options Post Reply Quote colincooper Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 November 2008 at 17:47
	We find the short winch is easily powerful enough for those winches. I really think that if you need more power than it provides you have a problem somewhere and are endangering breaking something. It may not be "ideal" but it works. Hanse provided one short and one long winch. I always assumed this is why. The long handle is for the side winches that are capable and need more power.
	Colin (owner of Hilde - a 370)

Peter-Blake Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admiral of the Fleet Joined: 04 March 2008 Status: Offline Points: 2471	Post Options Post Reply Quote Peter-Blake Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 November 2008 at 17:59
	@Oddmund Sorry do not have a foto and my boat is 300km away, and my boat is already in wintersleep.- But both winches are mounted exactly on the position where the mould of the grp shows it. the winchhandle on port comes very close to the sprayhood and on the other boatside i have plenty of space. So they are mounted very asymmetrical. But this was on my last boat (a waarschip) exactly the same! Only this way all the ropes will have a good angle form the stoppers to the winch. This position of the winch in angle to the stoppers is in my eyes absolut ok! The only thing they could have changed on the yard could have been another assymetrical position for the stoppers. My sprayhood is not from W&R. It is from tuchwerkstatt.de BTW My Boat number is 370#522
	Blake 370

Jens Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Commander Joined: 31 August 2007 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 85	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jens Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 November 2008 at 19:32
	It is not only Hanse there are mounting the winches asymmetrical. I sometimes sail on a Bavaria with the same mounting. And there is a reason for this. The winches are running clockwise which means that the rope is coming in on the right side of the winch. And to be positioned correct for the stoppers it must be positioned asymmetrical – or as Blake wrote - the stoppers must be placed asymmetrical. But asymmetrical stoppers could spoil the idea of taking the sheets to the back winches. When I got my sprayhood I had the problem. But it was very easy to move the mounting plates on top of the rail instead of on the side, and then the handle can be used without any problem. I didn’t have to cut anything of the length of the bars for the sprayhood to do this. I have pictures of this but sometimes I’m not allowed to upload pictures. I’ll try this again later. Jens
	Jens Hanse 370, #423, 2008 Three cabin

Oddmund Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Joined: 07 May 2008 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 176	Post Options Post Reply Quote Oddmund Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 November 2008 at 21:59
	Im starting to see the light here I think. I summary my conclusion must be that the source of the problem lies closer to a crappy sprayhood design than a misplaced winch. The port rope stoppers could in theory have been moved a bit more to SB but I guess the boat was designed before the pirates at W&R made the sprayhood. AVAST!
	S/Y Havsula. 370#569

silversailor Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admiral Joined: 25 May 2005 Location: South Haven, MI Status: Offline Points: 1021	Post Options Post Reply Quote silversailor Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 06 November 2008 at 01:23
	Oddmund, I can't tell you how pleased I am that even in Norway, all problems lead to the lawyers door. For years the USA has been criticized for it's reliance on lawyers. I have always responded that we (lawyers) are really the products of our culture... if we were not needed, we would not exist. So, forget the shorthandle solution. You are entitled to a sprayhood that will permit a full 360 degree turn of the winch handle. If something less was expected, the winch would only turn 180 degrees. If I was licensed to practice in Norway I would be at your side, leading the charge to the court house! Go get 'um!
	Silversailor South Haven, MI USA S/V Legacy 2010 Andrews 28

Johan Hackman Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admiral of the Fleet Joined: 24 August 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 4361	Post Options Post Reply Quote Johan Hackman Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 November 2008 at 08:57
	I have hired a lawyer myself so I welcome any effort to make things right. In my case I simply got a boat that was worth considerably less than I had paid for it considering the many serious faults that neither the dealer nor Hanse themselves seemed willing to fix. Johan
	http://www.johanhackman.se

Oddmund Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Joined: 07 May 2008 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 176	Post Options Post Reply Quote Oddmund Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 November 2008 at 09:43
	Even though the servicemanager at my dealer reported to me that they would not fix this problem, the generall manager called me and informed me that they WILL help me solve this. What I think is unacceptable is that it took 3 months to get this response
	S/Y Havsula. 370#569

SAMSON Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Lieutenant Joined: 15 April 2008 Location: Bolivia Status: Offline Points: 35	Post Options Post Reply Quote SAMSON Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 November 2008 at 10:37
	In my opinion the whole case is of no sense. As all the winches in the world is turning clocwise, and the boat is deliverd with one short and one longer winch handel. This way you are just exposing your own ignorance about boatsconstructions. DropThis case and be happy with teh good sailinboat that you have.

Oddmund Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Joined: 07 May 2008 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 176	Post Options Post Reply Quote Oddmund Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 November 2008 at 10:56
	I agree totally with Samson that this case make no sense. But Samson keep in mind it took more than 3 months from I notified my dealer untill I got a respons. And the initial response was then that this was a problem I would have to accept. I was not informed untill a couple of days ago that the boat is delivered with one short and one long handle. Iam currently waiting for the dealer to respond if my winch-handle that measures 23 cm(outer edges - appr 20cm center-center) is a short or a long handle. Iam unable to locate a second handle, Im not sure if the boat was delivered with only one handle or if I have lost the second one
	S/Y Havsula. 370#569

Scorpio Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Joined: 15 August 2006 Status: Offline Points: 295	Post Options Post Reply Quote Scorpio Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 November 2008 at 11:36
	I am with you Samson. There are two standard sizes of Winch Handle - 8" (200mm) or 10" (250mm) Oddmund, It seems to me that if you are going after Hanse legally, you are about to lose a lot of money to lawyers and gain nothing but more unhappiness. I recommend you save your money. The Sprayhood is not a designed or specified as part of Hanse's design of the boat, it is an accessory available from a number of suppliers. If you have an argument at all, it is with the supplier of your sprayhood. If you bought one without understanding the implications of it, that is not the vendor's fault - caveat emptor. Sprayhoods are always a compromise - they bring benefit of shelter but at a cost to headroom, impact on the boat's looks and restrictions on the use of the deck gear underneath them. It would be possibe to build a sprayhood that allowed the winch to be fully turned with the sprayhood up but how would it look? I also suggest to you that it's extremely likely you could buy a new sprayhood that meets your needs for less than the cost you are likely to incure with lawyers, especially if you sell your current sprayhood to another 370 owner. Just my $0.02 Ed
	Ed Essery Scorpio GBR 9824T Hanse 342#465 - Solent Based



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