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Topic: Buying a new 415
Posted By: Seebär
Subject: Buying a new 415
Date Posted: 22 August 2017 at 14:01
Hi guys,

we are thinking about buying a new 415. Are there any must haves or don'ts (unnecessary stuff) from the additional equipmentlist?

What are your experiences?

Greetings Seebär



Replies:
Posted By: High Time
Date Posted: 22 August 2017 at 15:30
It depends if you enjoy fitting stuff yourself (and saving a bit of money) or want a 'fully loaded' boat straight from the dealer.

When I bought High Time in 2012 I decided that I could fit most of the interior extras myself (VHF, sound system, TV, heating, AIS, wifi, laptop etc.) but I would pay for the yard/dealer to fit items to the mast (radar, VHF and TV antennas) and underwater (bow thruster, folding prop). 

Most of the above I would consider essential (in northern Europe). It's your choice, of course, whether to fit any yourself.

Interior layout, materials and colours are personal choice. We chose 3 cabins, cherry wood, brown cloth upholstery and teak/holly (look-alike) floor. It all looks good together and the brown upholstery is very practical i.e. doesn't show marks at all.

One major item I would counsel against is in-mast furling main. I wanted this for ease and convenience (now that I'm past 70) and it is great to roll away and forget. However, it is a constant source of annoyance when in use - it's doesn't set well, especially reefed, and occasionally jams.

Choosing the extras is probably the most difficult and exciting part of buying a new boat but the cost can quickly mount up at dealer prices. Choose carefully.

Good luck.


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Roger

High Time (415 #038)


Posted By: Seebär
Date Posted: 22 August 2017 at 17:00
Roger,

thanks for your information. AIS, Radio and so on I will also fit myself as I did on my current hanse.I hope I can contact you with, i'm sure, a lot of questons when the boat would be mine.

You said "essentials"....that s what I ment. To take all gimmicks from the additional equipmentlist is imho nonsense.

What s about the owners cabin? Is anyone there who fitted the bed so that one can sleep the other way round?


greetings Detlef


Posted By: 415 Singapore
Date Posted: 23 August 2017 at 03:24
Hi, from looking at the Hanse website, the 415 has been replaced by the 418 essentially the same boat and it comes with an option for an 'ïsland' bed in owners cabin.
When we bought Night Train we had a good idea of the extras we wanted, including air con and electric winches as we usually sail shorthanded. We have a traditional main that drops into the lazy bag and find that it works well, especially with the electric winches. The one thing we regretted was the number of instrument displays we got, having only one at each helm station, when the autopilot is activated, the display changes to autopilot mode, ok you can isolate this to the individual unit but you have to scroll through the functions to get back to the useful information. We have subsequently added one additional display which is very useful.
Good luck and enjoy the process!
Paul


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Paul - Night Train - 415 #136


Posted By: Seebär
Date Posted: 23 August 2017 at 07:49
Hi,
I saw pictures from the 418 out of the dealers information paper. There are differences to the 415 which I don't like. E.g. some deck hatches will be build in genuine glass. But at the moment you can still order a 415.


Posted By: Fendant
Date Posted: 23 August 2017 at 08:12
Hi Seebär,

I have a 345 with the plastic windows and hatches. We are now in the 4th season and I had to start polishing the outsides as they were becoming dull. Wish I could change to glass.

I have ordered the whole nav package ( with out the AIS, but including the VHF ). You can easily fit te AIS later, everything is prepared inclduing the antenna splitter. Same thing for the fusion radio.

I am missing a deckslight and I have not found an easy way to route the addtional cable to the mast foot.
Hanse's are not really designed and built for electrics extensions afterwards.Angry



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Frank


Posted By: High Time
Date Posted: 23 August 2017 at 08:36
Originally posted by Fendant Fendant wrote:

Hanse's are not really designed and built for electrics extensions afterwards.Angry


There are conduits provided, some even have drawstrings included but routing cables does require patience and care. It is often not clear where the conduit ends. There was some pre-wiring included on High Time - for instance all the cabling for the Fusion radio, including speaker leads to the cockpit was pre-installed. I think they may have stopped this on later boats, though.


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Roger

High Time (415 #038)


Posted By: Seebär
Date Posted: 25 August 2017 at 11:18
Okay......the order is done.

To get the early bird I have just ordered my new 415. SmileSmileBig smile


Posted By: High Time
Date Posted: 25 August 2017 at 12:13
Congratulations - must be time for a drink! Thumbs Up

What options did you go for and when do you expect delivery?


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Roger

High Time (415 #038)


Posted By: Seebär
Date Posted: 25 August 2017 at 12:50
Thanks,

the early order was only to get the early bird packages. I think delivery will be in March 2018 or so.

The equiment details are still in discussion. It depends a litle bit on what I get for my current boat Wink.


Posted By: Fendant
Date Posted: 27 August 2017 at 20:58
Hello Seebär,
 
congrats, you have decided to go for a real quality boat!  I would recomment to pay a visit to the yard in Greifswald during the build phase and take pictures of 415's in different stages of the assembly process.
The option list is definitely a difficult decision. It depends where you sail and how you are going to use the boat.
 
My strategy was to include all options which are difficult to retrofit. So I went for nav package ( full monty with autopilot ) , electric winches, Eberspächer diesel heater, cruising pack, comfort pack, inverter for Nespresso machine, better matresses and upgraded sails. In your case I would also add the bow truster. Go for a stainless chain and anchor!
 
As canvas work ex yard is(was) of crappy quality I would add lazy bags, sprayhood and evtl bimini from a local supplier who is using Sunbrella fabric or similar. Same thing for a code 0 or a furling gennaker, get it locally.
 
Have fun !


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Frank


Posted By: Seebär
Date Posted: 20 February 2018 at 17:26
Hi guys,

today my dealer called me and told to me that they will go to Greifswald next week to check some new boats. ....also mine Smile.

It seems to be ready and I am getting more and more excited. The delivery is planned for march.

A beautiful season for all

greetings

Seebär


Posted By: Koppiekrou
Date Posted: 18 March 2018 at 10:05
Hi Seebar, just have seen some pictures of the 415. Whow what a beauty! And the good news is it is almost end of april. I have one question, you will be sailing on the IJsselmeer so which draft you ordered? 2.1 meter or 1.72 meter?

Frank


Posted By: Seebär
Date Posted: 18 March 2018 at 11:40
Hi Frank,

it is 1,72 Wink


Posted By: Seebär
Date Posted: 20 March 2018 at 17:10

so time is running. Last thirsday I saw my knew boat on the cradle in Greiswald for the first time Thumbs Up. This week she goes into water and next weekend we will drive to greifswald again to put some things on her and make some measurements for additional  equiment.

@fendant / Frank: The canvas work '(Sprayhood, Bimini, etc.) will be done in the netherlands near our homeport so for the maiden trip she will be "naked" Unhappy

greetings



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Seebär


458#277 (former 415#321 and 341#167)



Posted By: Manyata
Date Posted: 20 March 2018 at 17:20
Good luck with the maiden voyage Seebar !! Enjoy !


Posted By: Fendant
Date Posted: 20 March 2018 at 18:03
Hi Seebär,
 
wish you fair winds for your maiden voyage to NED. Are you taking the "indoor" or the outdoor route?
Take some warm clothes any way, this winte weather is no longer predicatable. I just shoveled 20 cm of "Niederschlag" away to get to my Garage :)
 
Best wishes
 


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Frank


Posted By: Seebär
Date Posted: 21 March 2018 at 13:47
@fendant

well the plan is throu the Kiel channel and than above the islands up to vlieland and from there into the ijsselmeer. ......Okay ...that's the plan.....we will see what the weather says to this plan Tongue


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Seebär


458#277 (former 415#321 and 341#167)



Posted By: Mike2145
Date Posted: 04 July 2018 at 16:23
Hi High Time.

I am considering a 415 with in mast furling and was interested in your experience of this. I have used in mast and did not really have any problems but this was a charter boat so it was rather a limited exposure.

Were the problems you encountered specific to the Hanse installation or was it just the basic concept of in mast that caused the problems.   

Originally posted by High Time High Time wrote:

It depends if you enjoy fitting stuff yourself (and saving a bit of money) or want a 'fully loaded' boat straight from the dealer.

When I bought High Time in 2012 I decided that I could fit most of the interior extras myself (VHF, sound system, TV, heating, AIS, wifi, laptop etc.) but I would pay for the yard/dealer to fit items to the mast (radar, VHF and TV antennas) and underwater (bow thruster, folding prop). 

Most of the above I would consider essential (in northern Europe). It's your choice, of course, whether to fit any yourself.

Interior layout, materials and colours are personal choice. We chose 3 cabins, cherry wood, brown cloth upholstery and teak/holly (look-alike) floor. It all looks good together and the brown upholstery is very practical i.e. doesn't show marks at all.

One major item I would counsel against is in-mast furling main. I wanted this for ease and convenience (now that I'm past 70) and it is great to roll away and forget. However, it is a constant source of annoyance when in use - it's doesn't set well, especially reefed, and occasionally jams.

Choosing the extras is probably the most difficult and exciting part of buying a new boat but the cost can quickly mount up at dealer prices. Choose carefully.

Good luck.



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Cant take a joke, don't buy a boat.


Posted By: High Time
Date Posted: 05 July 2018 at 14:25
Hi Mike
The problems I had with in-mast furling were caused by the Z Spars rig with a North Sails main with 5 vertical battens. The Z Spars mast is not recommended for battened sails and the final solution to my problems was to remove some of the battens. This unfortunately results in a pronounced hook in the leach or a flap if you don't tighten the leach line which reduces performance. It also doesn't set very well when reefed.
Sure, in-mast is great for convenience and tidyness but a fully (horizontal) battened main with slab reefing is actually a better design solution for a sailing boat.
You should discuss with your dealer what sail and rig you would get now with in-mast - Selden rig and Elvestrom sail might be a good combination.


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Roger

High Time (415 #038)



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