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Topic: 12V Panel light ***BLINKING****????
Posted By: Black Diamond
Subject: 12V Panel light ***BLINKING****????
Date Posted: 05 September 2017 at 18:42
Normally when you flip on any of the 12V panel switches,  the light on the button will glow solid red.   I had an interesting experience yesterday.     All of a sudden my autopilot died,   the error message said "pilot needs setup" and the light on the navigation electronics breaker is blinking red.  Not solid,  but blinking steadily.

Does anyone know what this means?   Nothing in the 575 owners manual,  the circuit diagrams/documentation or any other source tells me what this might mean.    I can't see how the flashing is driven by the B&G electronics (it just a switch),  and the fuses are obviously good because the other electronics (including the chartplotter and fluxgate compass) are working fine.

See dropbox link to videos:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/knjkabxzk95yunu/AAAo-82odtI_0HbD9e-Flmp_a?dl=0

This is a new boat,   commissioned in July and still shaking out little problems.  This is not a little problem, however (autopilot down)...


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Rick
S/V Black Diamond
Hanse 575 Build #192, Hull# 161
Newport, RI



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Posted By: Wayne's World
Date Posted: 05 September 2017 at 19:18
Rick,

A flashing red light on the 12V panel indicates a fuse is blown, Which switch is blinking? 

If you pull down the 12V panel (it is hinged at the bottom- press hard at the top and the top should pop out) you will find multi layers of blade fuses -some the standard size and other the mini size. I think if you test them all with a multi meter set to resistance touched on the two contacts on the top of each fuse you will find one that is blown. Note that the placement of the fuses is relation to the switch can be confusing - just test them all.  


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Wayne W
Cruising, currently in the Pacific until the end of 2026.


Posted By: S&J
Date Posted: 05 September 2017 at 20:28
I can confirm that a flashing status light indicates a blown fuse. Don't be confused by other instruments from the same switch still working. I recently blew the fuse on the cockpit table light and got the flashing light against the master light switch although most lights were still working. I think there can be multiple fuses in the wiring controlled by a single switch.

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H458 #159 Primal Mediterranean cruising


Posted By: Black Diamond
Date Posted: 05 September 2017 at 21:31
Bizarre.   You would think something else would occur.    I'll replace the fuse, but you would think the owners manual or some documentation would have mentioned this..  

Rick



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Rick
S/V Black Diamond
Hanse 575 Build #192, Hull# 161
Newport, RI


Posted By: Fendant
Date Posted: 06 September 2017 at 14:46
Rick,
 
I assume that you have the Würth Panel, which in essence is a glorified collection of switches. The autopilot has a 15 A fuse. I assume that the third switch from the bottom is blinking. This switch controls 3 15 A fuses, one for the nav electronics and one for the Autopilot. If you open the panel you see the row of fuses . It starts with a 10 A followed by 4 5 Amp fuses. These are followed by 3 15 amp fuses, the 1st one is for nav instruments ,the 2nd  is for chartplotter AIS, the 3rd one is the one for the Autopilot!
Or you take the 2nd one from the back. When you do replace the fuse, by all meams switch all power off through the main batt switch. Be very careful not to loose the fuse !  If this happens get it out before you switch power on again. A new panel costs > 1000 €.
 
If you PM me, I can send you the fuse plans for the Würth Panel.
 
Fair winds !


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Frank


Posted By: Black Diamond
Date Posted: 08 September 2017 at 00:58
Fixed the immediate problem.    Autopilot is functional again.      Frank was dead-on.  The fuse supporting the third wire was blown.   Pop in a 15AMP fuse and it was back up.

However.....

For high amp loads (like bow and stern thrusters) the panel acts as a relay, switching on the actual flow of power coming from a source other than the panel.    In my case, the actual power going to the autohelm controller was coming from the wurth panel and is therefore limited to the 15AMP fuse that blew.  

The B&G box for the autohelm controller has a 30AMP fuse in it.   My concern is that in heavy rolling seas (for example) it will need more than 15AMPS and blow out again. 

So.. do any of you have a similar setup?  Or were your autohelms wired differently?   If similar,  have you had any issues such as the one above?




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Rick
S/V Black Diamond
Hanse 575 Build #192, Hull# 161
Newport, RI


Posted By: Wayne's World
Date Posted: 08 September 2017 at 08:02
Rick,

We had the same fuse blow on Hope about 2 weeks after leaving the Hanse shipyard in Griefswald when we were in Sweden. The cause was that the steering cables were adjusted incorrectly by the yard. The cable on the stbd side was fitted so that when on the steering was full over in one direction the chain/cable fitting was being pulled into the steering gear cogs before reaching the autopilot "stop". The AP continued to try to turn further but was restricted by the fitting being crushed in the cogs, the increase in amps would have caused the fuse to blow. I did not know the cause of the fuse blowing until about 2 days later when the steering cable to chain bottle screw on the port steering came completely undone and we lost steering on the port helm. 

To access the steering area you need to remove some vinyl panels at the aft end of the aft cabin on either side. The remove a timber panel and you can then see the steering and if you are flexible enough and slim enough you can slide into this aft void, which I might add is large and virtually unused. I would suggest any 575 owner should check the steering bottle screws on both sides and make sure the locking bolts are tight. I also applied "Loctite" to the threads. Whilst you are there have someone on at the helm turn the steering full lock from side to side to make sure the fittings are not pulled into the cogs. Check this on both sides. Since fixing this steering issue we have not had the AP fuse blow.

 If you are keen to align your steering wheels so they are in the same position relative to each other you can do this by undoing one bottle screw and take the chain off the cogs and rotate that side wheel so it is aligned with the other wheel and then refit the chain, tension, apply Loctite and tighten the locking nuts. Then recheck the steering by going full lock to lock again. You may not be able to get the wheel 100% aligned but at least 95%.

          


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Wayne W
Cruising, currently in the Pacific until the end of 2026.


Posted By: Fendant
Date Posted: 08 September 2017 at 10:34
Rick,
 
I have replaced all the cheapo car melt fuses on my Würth Panel with automatic resettable fuses from Conrad Electronics. Learned it the hard was, when I lost a fuse inside the electronics and blew the Würth Panel. Still don't understand why Hanse is using yesteryears chevy technology on their boatsAngry
 
 
Now it takes only seconds to restore the power :)
 
fair winds!
 
 


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Frank


Posted By: Black Diamond
Date Posted: 11 September 2017 at 19:39
I *LIKE* this idea...    can you actually reach in and reset it,  or do you still need to remove the fuse (now circuit breaker)?    Tight quarters in there...

Rick



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Rick
S/V Black Diamond
Hanse 575 Build #192, Hull# 161
Newport, RI


Posted By: Fendant
Date Posted: 11 September 2017 at 20:58
Hi Rick,

no need to remove the fuse breaker once you have slotted it in. Just push the little red button back and "presto" power is on again.

Best regards to beautiful RI




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Frank


Posted By: Black Diamond
Date Posted: 06 October 2017 at 18:52
OK...  concern vindicated.    Our commissioning broker did some research with Hanse.  They mistakenly put in a 15AMP fuse at the factory when it should be a 30 AMP fuse.    I asked if the Wuerth panel can take that load and they said yes.  So I am swapping out the fuse for a 30AMP resettable fuse.   As well as some other fuses likely to pop (with the right amperage).

Others out there might want to check.  The problem (restated) is that the autopilot controller has a 30 AMP fuse in the box and at times it can draw high loads in heavy seas.  The B&G guy told me a 50 AMP fuse would work fine as well.   The autopilot controller fuse won't pop in the scenario from the factory.  The little 15 AMP fuse will blow first.    If you want a fuse in front of the autopilot controller to pop, then put a 25AMP in front or bump up the one in the B&G box to 50AMPS (or at least more than 30AMP).



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Rick
S/V Black Diamond
Hanse 575 Build #192, Hull# 161
Newport, RI


Posted By: Jeremy
Date Posted: 01 March 2018 at 19:33
Hi,
Ive also blown my cockpit table lamp fuse but cant find it. Do you remember where it was?
I have a 415.
Thanks!!
Jeremy


Posted By: Black Diamond
Date Posted: 01 March 2018 at 22:23
uploads/5058/12V_DC_Panel_on_575.pdf" rel="nofollow - uploads/5058/12V_DC_Panel_on_575.pdf

I haven't validated this, but it looks like XB9.7.46.        Take a look at this diagram.

Rick





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Rick
S/V Black Diamond
Hanse 575 Build #192, Hull# 161
Newport, RI


Posted By: Black Diamond
Date Posted: 01 March 2018 at 22:46
uploads/5058/Wuerth_DC_Panel_Engl_20130109-933b7.pdf" rel="nofollow - uploads/5058/Wuerth_DC_Panel_Engl_20130109-933b7.pdf

This also might help..




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Rick
S/V Black Diamond
Hanse 575 Build #192, Hull# 161
Newport, RI


Posted By: Comanche
Date Posted: 11 June 2018 at 01:52
Hi Rick
Just cruising the forum looking for an answer on blown fuse and your post caught my eye. I have lost all the reading lights in the cabins, the ones with the red/night lights as well. I can’t seem to find the blown fuse. Could you send me the diagram as well when you have a chance, thanks


Posted By: Magicol
Date Posted: 26 September 2024 at 10:54
I found this older thread when searching for a solution to the warning light I have on my switch panel and the accompanying flashing light on the electronics button.
As suggested and assuming it is a blown fuse, I searched for this behind the panel. I think I have tested every fuse on the board without success. Are there fuses elsewhere? 
I would be grateful for any suggestions and advice.


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Hanse 345 #237 based on the Clyde


Posted By: Black Diamond
Date Posted: 26 September 2024 at 11:32
A couple of thoughts:

1.   Yes..  I have found fuses elsewhere.   For example, the autohelm has a 50 AMP fuse in my cockpit locker that for some stupid reason was being fed by a 15AMP fuse.  As the panel had limitations,  I was only able to bump it to 25AMPS.   Meaning the 50 AMP should never blow but the 25AMP will in rough seas.   Nice design...(not)   The wiring diagrams *SOMETIMES* lay out where these fuses are if you have them.

2.   I use "glow when blown" fuses to make it easy to find the blown fuse.   Although I have a wurth panel diagram,  its just easier to spot them rather than counting slots.




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Rick
S/V Black Diamond
Hanse 575 Build #192, Hull# 161
Newport, RI


Posted By: Wayne's World
Date Posted: 26 September 2024 at 19:12
Colin,

I think the flashing red light to the left of the LCD panel in your image indicates a low level warning on one of your tanks (water or fuel) or a high level (>75%) warning for one of your toilet holding tanks. If you press the up or down buttons ( and keep pressing and eventually it should take you to the warning for the particular tank. If you sort the problem (fill water or fuel or empty the toilet tank) the light will disappear. 


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Wayne W
Cruising, currently in the Pacific until the end of 2026.


Posted By: Magicol
Date Posted: 27 September 2024 at 08:42
Thank you for the replies.
Rick, I will look to see if there is an additional fuse elsewhere for the autohelm on our 345.
Wayne, the flashing light is the one on the left - on the navigation instruments button. I understood that this, combined with a solid light next to the Control Panel LED, indicates a blown fuse. Is this correct?
Thanks for taking time to help.
Colin


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Hanse 345 #237 based on the Clyde


Posted By: Wayne's World
Date Posted: 27 September 2024 at 10:38
Colin,

I think you will find that is two separate issues. A flashing red light on one of the buttons like the Nav instruments button means a blown fuse on that circuit. A red light left of the LCD panel indicates as I listed above in my last post ie a problem with any of the items measured by the LCD screen - fuel, water, sullage or even battery voltage of the house or engine start battery.  


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Wayne W
Cruising, currently in the Pacific until the end of 2026.


Posted By: Magicol
Date Posted: 27 September 2024 at 18:56
Thanks for the prompt reply, Wayne. I do appreciate all the help you provide.
I managed eventually to find the blown autohelm fuse, replaced it and the red blinking navigation light on the switch board has become permanent again and the red warning light next to the LED panel has gone. 
Anyway, this has been two days work and two lessons learnt: first the fuses are completely randomly positioned on the back of the board and secondly it is worth investing in a quality multi meter!
Thanks for the help and advice. Fair winds!
Colin


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Hanse 345 #237 based on the Clyde


Posted By: marsella
Date Posted: 27 September 2024 at 21:55
Magicol, you need to find a good diagram of the DC panel that shows the position of all fuses, then it is easy to locate the blown fuse, the nav button that you mentioned turns on 3 or 4 cricuits only and have only 3 or 4 fuses to check. Check MANUALS section of this website, maybe there is one there, or google "wurth dc panel diagram hanse" Wink


Posted By: Lyn
Date Posted: 14 April 2025 at 18:39
Fendant,

This was a spectacularly helpful response. Though I have a 588, I have CZone. Nonetheless, I’m on someone’s 575 crossing the Atlantic right now. Had a big blow of a time last night, which took out the autopilot among other things.  I found some other blown fuses, but this one hidden away was it!

Thank you!
Jon


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Jon
S/V Lyn
2017 Hanse 588 | Hull 19 | Deep draft | 150hp | 220v & 110v systems | Lithium House Bank


Posted By: Black Diamond
Date Posted: 14 April 2025 at 19:25
I'm assuming you have these diagrams?   They're for a 575, not 588, but they should be close...






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Rick
S/V Black Diamond
Hanse 575 Build #192, Hull# 161
Newport, RI


Posted By: Pzucchel
Date Posted: 16 April 2025 at 12:50
very interesting...but because of the image compression, the picture resolution is not good enough for me to read the text...is it the same for anybody else? Rick, can you repost it somehow?

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Hanse588#55


Posted By: Black Diamond
Date Posted: 16 April 2025 at 15:20
The forum software does not allow large images.   I’ll IM it to you later today.

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Rick
S/V Black Diamond
Hanse 575 Build #192, Hull# 161
Newport, RI


Posted By: Lyn
Date Posted: 18 April 2025 at 01:08
Thank you for those diagrams, Rick (and your other noted comment that we can upsize the fuse if this recurs). The boat continues on without me after the Azores, so I’ll give the skipper a set.  They weren’t on board.

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Jon
S/V Lyn
2017 Hanse 588 | Hull 19 | Deep draft | 150hp | 220v & 110v systems | Lithium House Bank



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