maneuvering in harbours
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Topic: maneuvering in harbours
Posted By: peterr
Subject: maneuvering in harbours
Date Posted: 23 April 2018 at 17:18
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Hello
I would like some good advice on manouvring the Hanse 350 in harbours. I find it very difficult as soon as there is som wind. We are only two on board, and so far it has been a disaster 
Best regards Peterr
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Posted By: Wayne's World
Date Posted: 23 April 2018 at 18:02
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Peterr,
You would probably find reversing into berths/the wind useful. You just need to be committed and keep the way on. As soon as you stop you are at the mercy of the wind. Practice makes perfect or at least less damaging.
------------- Wayne W Cruising, currently in the Pacific until the end of 2026.
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Posted By: 350Bob
Date Posted: 23 April 2018 at 18:11
Hi Peter,
It would perhaps be easier to answer if you could give a little more information about exactly what is going wrong? What type of manoeuvre are you attempting?.
In general though if you are have trouble with cross winds I would suggest two things which may help, firstly reduce your windage as much as possible for example drop the spray hood and make sure that your sails are tightly furled, and maybe removing dodgers if you have them.
Secondly in order to maintain control, the boat has to be moving through the water, so I would say maybe you could use a little more speed if possible? Sometimes in strong winds you just have to use more power to counteract the other forces.
Best wishes
Bob
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Posted By: gshannon
Date Posted: 23 April 2018 at 18:14
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The bow tends to blow off downwind. I make use of this by reversing into the wind. If the wind is blowing us onto the dock we reverse in. If the wind is blowing us away from the dock we go in bow first, coming in an upwind direction before making the turn. We go in with about a knot of speed, and kill the speed at the last moment with a strong burst of reverse.
Don't be hesitant to ask someone on the dock to help!
A bow thruster would help sometimes but, but we don't have one.
------------- Grahame
Tangleberry 371-092
aviadesign.com
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Posted By: SausalitoDave
Date Posted: 23 April 2018 at 18:16
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I too have struggled with close-in maneuvering with brisk winds. "Practice does make Perfect". That said, a few pointers that have helped me. (1) Keep the wind off the stern, ie, back into the wind, (2) Have lots of fenders out, (3) Have your second-in-command keep a good sized "roving" fender" on a line that will make it possible to fend off of other boats and structures. As previously said, you need to keep up enough speed to have rudder authority. Finally, in open water, practice the back and fill maneuver.
Best
Dave
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Posted By: Martin&Rene
Date Posted: 23 April 2018 at 20:13
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What are your common berthing situations? Coming alongside a long pontoon Coming in to a short finger pontoon coming into some form of box berth.
------------- Martin&Rene Hanse 341 Dipper Wheel steering, 3 cabin layout, normally based in Scotland
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Posted By: peterr
Date Posted: 23 April 2018 at 20:31
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The most common situation is the box.
Best regards peterr
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Posted By: Martin&Rene
Date Posted: 23 April 2018 at 20:50
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Sorry, I cannot help much as thankfully, we do not use that system in Scotland.
As some of the others have said, you have to appreciate that as the saildrive prop is some distance from the rudder, so the ideas that you see in many books and articles about using short bursts of forward or backward to turn the boat do not work. You have to be moving at some speed for the rudder to work well, so you cannot just move slowly into a berth if there is some wind blowing, you have to come in at a steady speed and then put the engine into reverse to stop the boat.
We have develop a special technique that my wife (as helm) and I use to get into short finger pontoons, particularly when the wind is blowing you into the berth and I did do a write up that I sent to a magazine, so if you want a copy, pm your email address.
------------- Martin&Rene Hanse 341 Dipper Wheel steering, 3 cabin layout, normally based in Scotland
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Posted By: Mad Mo
Date Posted: 24 April 2018 at 09:48
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Dear Peter, I find it most important to do any maneuver very very slowly and in a way that you can stop the boat at any time fully controlled. This means - like already said above - that you should always head with the stern into the wind. By that means you can always keep the boat in position for as long as you want, for example to clear the lines or get one around a pile. Insofar I disgree with the above comment recommending to go into a box with speed. If this goes wrong you damage you boat and others. Also, do not hesitate to make - controlled - contact with a pile. You can slowly move into a box while keeping contact with the leeward pile. You can even turn the boat into the box by motoring into the leeward stern line turned around the leeward pile. Finally, keep your fenders in while moving into a box. I find it astonishing how many sailors move into a box with their fenders outside only to - most predictable - get stopped by a pile and then losing any control of the boat. BR Moritz
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Posted By: S&J
Date Posted: 24 April 2018 at 11:42
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As a visitor to the Baltic I was at first intimidated by box berths but now I really like how the boat is secure without being blown onto a jetty or pontoon. My tips are: * Pick a box that is just wide enough for you to fit into. If it is too big you may have problems getting lines over posts on both sides. As previously mentioned, leave your fenders on the deck at this stage. * Assuming I am going in forwards, I run my lines through the centre hole between the horns of my stern cleats and then use a stopper knot to avoid losing them. * I let my crew handle the line on the port side while I take the starboard, as this is where my engine controls are. Once the crew have the bowline over the post, they move forward throwing the fenders over on the downwind side as they go, and then call the distance on the bow * I can then pull in the upwind line and take it onto the winch to control my forward progress. * It REALLY helps to have someone ashore to take the bow line, but if no one appears, you can keep the engine in gear at minimum speed and inch forward until the crew is confident they can jump ashore or lasoo a cleat.
------------- H458 #159 Primal Mediterranean cruising
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Posted By: Peter-Blake
Date Posted: 24 April 2018 at 12:14
I sail my 370 a lot of times (90%) singlehanded. Even in stronger winds no problems. But it took some time to figure out how to handle the boat:
1. Try always to move with the boat. So the wind cannot pick the bow! 2. When berthing (or going thru a lock) i always use at first the windward sternline. It is important that the berth is a little bit longer than your boat. In 99% it is the case! If not i use the clamp in the middle of the boat. 3. When this windward sternline is fixed, nothing can happen anymore. I use the motor as my "second" virtual line. Just turn the steeringwheel to the wind and push forward only so much, that the boat will not drift away. Than i walk around the boat push the fenders outside and fix the bowlines and at the end the second sternline.
This works perfect, even with strong crosswinds!
BTW: Many people tend to use the motor with not enough power. It helps a lot to use the motor with strong short pushes! This way you can hold the boat on the position without drifting away. You will wonder how much effect a strong short burst will have!
------------- Blake 370
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Posted By: Peter Russell
Date Posted: 25 April 2018 at 16:47
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Do you really mean the stern line? Surely with the stern line on there is nothing to stop the bow blowing off (unless you have a good bow thruster). When I come in short handed I use a mid-ship spring line onto the outermost cleat on the pontoon. From there using the engine as the "stern line" turning so that the stern comes into the pontoon. On my 370 the bow does tend to swing into the pontoon even when powering off so I know to fender up the bow. As you say, once this is done you can attach and adjust lines easily, finally turning off the engine.
------------- Peter Russell
Hanse 370 hull 499 "Outnumbered"
http://outnumbered.the-russells.net" rel="nofollow - http://outnumbered.the-russells.net
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Posted By: Peter-Blake
Date Posted: 25 April 2018 at 18:00
Yes: Stern line (Rear end of the boat). I do not have a bow truster!
try it! it works as our boats have a pretty wide ass! Midship spring works aswell, but not so good short handed!
------------- Blake 370
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Posted By: samuel
Date Posted: 25 April 2018 at 18:43
I agree with Peter Blake if the Pontoon is long enough. When i went through the Calledonian canal ( twice) single handed there were 30 locks & most of them I put a long stern line & left the engine in tickover to pull the boat in to the wall. One can then fix a bow line (not always needed) at leisure
------------- Daydream Believer- Hanse 311- No GBR9917T- Bradwell Essex
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Posted By: peterr
Date Posted: 26 April 2018 at 08:32
Mad Mo wrote:
Dear Peter, I find it most important to do any maneuver very very slowly and in a way that you can stop the boat at any time fully controlled. This means - like already said above - that you should always head with the stern into the wind. By that means you can always keep the boat in position for as long as you want, for example to clear the lines or get one around a pile. Insofar I disgree with the above comment recommending to go into a box with speed. If this goes wrong you damage you boat and others. BR Moritz |
But the problem in real life is often that it is impossible to keep the stern into the Wind and when the boat slows Down it drifts very fast. Best regards Peterr
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Posted By: peterr
Date Posted: 26 April 2018 at 08:45
Peter-Blake wrote:
I sail my 370 a lot of times (90%) singlehanded. Even in stronger winds no problems. But it took some time to figure out how to handle the boat:
1. Try always to move with the boat. So the wind cannot pick the bow! 2. When berthing (or going thru a lock) i always use at first the windward sternline. It is important that the berth is a little bit longer than your boat. In 99% it is the case! If not i use the clamp in the middle of the boat. 3. When this windward sternline is fixed, nothing can happen anymore. I use the motor as my "second" virtual line. Just turn the steeringwheel to the wind and push forward only so much, that the boat will not drift away. Than i walk around the boat push the fenders outside and fix the bowlines and at the end the second sternline.
This works perfect, even with strong crosswinds!
BTW: Many people tend to use the motor with not enough power. It helps a lot to use the motor with strong short pushes! This way you can hold the boat on the position without drifting away. You will wonder how much effect a strong short burst will have!
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Peter Blake I think i will start to practice your approach. it seems to me that it includes the essence of all the very good and kind advice i have received. And if it is possible with the 370 it must be possible with the 350. Best regards Peterr
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Posted By: 350Bob
Date Posted: 26 April 2018 at 10:33
Whilst I fully subscribe to the maxim “slow is pro”, the most important issue is to maintain control of the boat. This can be done either by using ropes or engine or a combination of the two; you should not be using more speed than necessary to maintain control, but you do have to use enough.
Bob
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Posted By: Janni
Date Posted: 03 June 2018 at 17:32
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Despite the high displacement of our boat, the H320 is drifting quite easily and the bow is vulnerable to the wind. In 99% of the time, we are sailing dual handed. In our home dock, we have marked the aft lines at the correct length of our berth. The helmsman always takes care of the starboard line, the other person always takes care of the port side. Reason for that is that the boat is quite wide. Initially we tried to let the helmsman do the windward aft line, but this did not work out as always one of the things, helm, throttle, line control went wrong while moving from the starboard side to the port side.... In most of the cases, there are other boats in the docks beneath us - it is no real issue if you lay on them while clearing and fixing the bow lines. Jan
------------- Hanse 320 #548 "SCHNEGGE"
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