Maximum size of a dinghy for the 575 garage
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Topic: Maximum size of a dinghy for the 575 garage
Posted By: SparxSea
Subject: Maximum size of a dinghy for the 575 garage
Date Posted: 05 July 2019 at 00:24
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Seeking advice regarding the maximum size dinghy that can be stowed in the 575 garage. We had a 3.1m hard bottom with a 18hp 2 stroke on our 470 which worked so well with our family of 5 (adult size) but was stowed on the foredeck on passage.Many thanks. ------------- 'Sunboy' Hanse 470e Crusing to infinity and beyond!! |
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Posted By: Black Diamond
Date Posted: 05 July 2019 at 01:54
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This has been discussed many times. Some people swear they have a
12' dinghy in the garage, by deflating the tubes fore and aft. That
may be possible. We have a 10' AB inflatable (see picture) with an aluminum bottom
and at bow seat/locker. It weighs 105lbs. We get in the garage by
deflating the bow tubes. My experience is
that its not so much the length that matters but the height.
Depending upon the dinghy and the track system you may or may not have,
the height of the dinghy's bow (much of which is determined by the RIB
hull shape determines the fit. Too high, and it won't go under the
cockpit floor. FWIW  ------------- Rick S/V Black Diamond Hanse 575 Build #192, Hull# 161 Newport, RI |
Posted By: Wayne's World
Date Posted: 05 July 2019 at 08:10
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We have a Zodiac Cadet 3.1 meter fiberglass RIB which fits into our 575 garage. We need to deflate the bow and side tubes to get it into the garage. The bow tube needs deflating to be able for to clear the deck head whilst the side tubes need to be deflated to enable the transom door to close easily. We have the optional air compressor fitted into the garage so re-inflating the RIB is a fast operation. We store the Yamaha 9.9hp outboard in the tender, laying on the floor. ------------- Wayne W Cruising, currently in the Pacific until the end of 2026. |
Posted By: Black Diamond
Date Posted: 05 July 2019 at 12:51
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I think we went thru this once before, Wayne. It may be the difference between four stroke engines and 2 stroke engines. I have a 15hp Yamaha and I was told that storing it horizontally would allow sea water or other bad things into the wrong parts of the engine and result in damage. I had it in the dinghy for a season, but now have a garhauer lift on the side deck with a rail motor mount.. Message: Check to see if your engine can be stored this way or not... Its very convenient to do so, but not if it costs you a big repair. ------------- Rick S/V Black Diamond Hanse 575 Build #192, Hull# 161 Newport, RI |
Posted By: Wayne's World
Date Posted: 05 July 2019 at 13:22
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Rick, With our 4 stroke 9.9hp Yammie (2014) it can be laid on the control level side but not the other. The new 9.9 FS can apparently be laid on either side without problems. We now have a crane fitted but it is easier to leave the motor in the tender. It is also out of harms way and safe from theft. We have a friend from the UK with a Hanse 531 who is over your way at the moment. They are in Newport and are spending the summer on the east coast USA. They crossed the Atlantic late last year with the ARC. We plan to cross the Atlantic this coming January and may also get out of the hurricane zone by spending time on the east coast USA. So we may see you there. ------------- Wayne W Cruising, currently in the Pacific until the end of 2026. |
Posted By: Black Diamond
Date Posted: 05 July 2019 at 15:58
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If it’s the boat name “Jack” then we met them in Bristol, RI for the treasonous colonials celebration yesterday. Nice couple. They left yesterday. Not many 531’s around here ------------- Rick S/V Black Diamond Hanse 575 Build #192, Hull# 161 Newport, RI |
Posted By: Wayne's World
Date Posted: 05 July 2019 at 16:39
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Rick, That is the 531, Jack Rowland Smith- John and Sue. It is a small yachting world. ------------- Wayne W Cruising, currently in the Pacific until the end of 2026. |
Posted By: SparxSea
Date Posted: 06 July 2019 at 01:42
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Thank you all for your replies and help. We have been 'offline' for some years for a number of reasons, including the tragic loss of our 470. We are now back 'online' and back in the hunt for another Hanse, with a 575 at the top of the search list. So I do apologise if my questions may have been addressed in previous posts. Many thanks again. ------------- 'Sunboy' Hanse 470e Crusing to infinity and beyond!! |
Posted By: SVZara
Date Posted: 07 July 2019 at 01:40
| How do you secure the engine inside the tender and prevent it from sliding around and damaging the sides of the interior of the rib? |
Posted By: Wayne's World
Date Posted: 07 July 2019 at 08:44
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We always have a rubber mat which covers most of the floor area in the RIB. This seems to stop the motor from moving around. We are laying the motor on its' side not its back so it will not topple over. If the motor does slide a bit sideways it is only touching on the RIB side pontoons so no damage to either. We have used this method of storing the motor for about 3 years and no problems- but you need to make sure you are laying the motor on the correct side. Check with the motor manufacturer to see if your motor can be laid on its' side and which side is can be laid on. ------------- Wayne W Cruising, currently in the Pacific until the end of 2026. |
Posted By: Elgaard
Date Posted: 01 August 2019 at 14:40
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Wayne, could you share a picture of that setup?
Best Elgaard ------------- Hanse 575 Hull 108 Cruising : Currently in the Med |
Posted By: Wayne's World
Date Posted: 01 August 2019 at 14:54
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Elgaard, We are going out to some islands tomorrow and I will try to take some photos and post them here. ------------- Wayne W Cruising, currently in the Pacific until the end of 2026. |
Posted By: marcopone
Date Posted: 07 August 2019 at 09:29
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Highfield 380 RIB with alu keel Motor Yamaha 25 HP FI Very nice, fast and roomy dinghy. A modification to the garage was necessary, I had to enlarge the last part fore. To fit it inside I have to completely deflate it. Not something you will want to do every day. Most of the time I tow it. |
Posted By: Wayne's World
Date Posted: 23 August 2019 at 09:49
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Elgaard, Sorry for the delay in replying. So busy relaxing - no time. Attached are images of our tender and garage with nylon strips added so the tender slides in. These nylon pads are made from kitchen cutting boards which were cut by another myHanse forumite about 6 seasons ago - thanks Marco. The tender is a 3.1 meter Zodiac Cadet RIB which weighs (I think) 84kg and the outboard is a 9.9hp Yamaha 4 stroke weighs about 45kg. Outboard removed and laid on mat on the tender deck, tiller side down.  The nylon pads about 150mm x 250mm glued to the garage floor. Also added a SS rubbing strip to the edge of the garage door where the tender keel rubs when pulled in or let out. The dark sheet rope runs through a double block and attaches to the lifting eyes inside the bow of the tender and is used to pull the tender inside the garage. We found this easier than pushing it in.  The tender, with tunes about 50% deflated in the garage.  ------------- Wayne W Cruising, currently in the Pacific until the end of 2026. |
Posted By: SV Amadea
Date Posted: 01 August 2025 at 09:13
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Posted By: Black Diamond
Date Posted: 01 August 2025 at 14:51
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Have you looked at the bow of the dinghy from the life raft locker to see if it’s all the way forward?
------------- Rick S/V Black Diamond Hanse 575 Build #192, Hull# 161 Newport, RI |
Posted By: Wayne's World
Date Posted: 02 August 2025 at 01:36
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Sorry for the delay - we are half way from Samoa to Fiji at the moment. We end up with the transom about 100mm from the transom door. We fold up the stern ends of the tubes as the door closes. The only mod I made was to cut off the dinghy painter eye on the dinghy bow which allowed the boat to go in a further 40-50mm. I fitted two new towing eyes aft of the dinghy bow stem. I know one other 575 owner modified the fiberglass by making a bow shaped female section into the area in the fwd end of the garage. I am not sure if the very square shape of the Highfield dinghy may be part of the problem. As Rick suggested you should check the fwd end of the garage to see how far up the dinghy is sitting and which part of the dinghy is contacting the fwd section of the garage. ------------- Wayne W Cruising, currently in the Pacific until the end of 2026. |
Posted By: Pzucchel
Date Posted: 02 August 2025 at 06:58
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this is a very interesting discussion for me , because I am planning replacing my williams 280 with an electric dinghy ON THE 588. Can anybody else comment what fits there and how ? ideally ,I would prefer to have 10cm less but a very easy insertion (with the winch). hopefully , even without deflating...
------------- Hanse588#55 |
Posted By: SV Amadea
Date Posted: 02 August 2025 at 15:05
| Yes - it is jammed in tight |
Posted By: Black Diamond
Date Posted: 02 August 2025 at 17:25
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If its tight, then check to see if your towing ring is what’s making contact. I moved mine and had it welded lower (which presumably gets it aft more and out of the way), but this was more for the winch and rollers to work better. ------------- Rick S/V Black Diamond Hanse 575 Build #192, Hull# 161 Newport, RI |
Posted By: Lyn
Date Posted: 02 August 2025 at 17:25
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Response to Pzucchel: =====
My new dinghy & outboard have just been delivered to the marina. If you can bear to wait a few weeks for when I get there, I can provide my feedback on them. For the dinghy, I went with https://truekit.us/products/true-kit-navigator?variant=44619891441903" rel="nofollow - True Kit Navigator 3.0m . A few aspects of this may not appeal to everyone: (a) it is not a rigid hull, (b) high-grade PVC instead of hypalon, and (c) it might still require a little deflation to fit whereas I think the 2.5m could be fully inflated. However, when fully deflated, it folds down to a tidy bundle so much of the garage is available. It is about 100 lbs. This probably depends on preference and intended use, but I'll let you know fit. For the outboard, I went electric with ePropulsion Spirit 1.0 Plus, available at a variety of dealers. I sought dealer guidance on extra short vs. short shaft, since the transom height was right on the crossover. Extra short will allow for very shallow areas; short will allow a little more "rudder-like feel" they said. I went with short since I wasn't going to have a V-bottom. They're not inexpensive, but I'll no longer have to have gasoline on board.
------------- Jon S/V Lyn 2017 Hanse 588 | Hull 19 | Deep draft | 150hp | 220v & 110v systems | Lithium House Bank |
Posted By: SV Amadea
Date Posted: 02 August 2025 at 19:23
| It is the towing ring that makes contact with the end of the garage, but we need to get the dinghy a further 20cm into the hull, so removing the ring would not be enough. I think that the only solution will be to modify the fibreglass. Perhaps the 588 garage is a little shorter than the 575. |
Posted By: Gale Force
Date Posted: 05 August 2025 at 10:02
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With regards to inflating the tubes I use a cheap hand held stand up paddle board 12v Li pump with a capacity of 15 psi there for it is able to pump a tube to 1 psi in about 20 seconds and the battery lasts forever before recharging .My dinghy is a Highfield cl 290 and bow tube must be deflated and side tubes 50%.18 hp 2t stored on the stern rail
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Posted By: Black Diamond
Date Posted: 05 August 2025 at 19:32
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I actually sprang for the pump when I built the boat. It was only a few hundred dollars and (considering the rest of the HANSE options pricing) was probably the only good deal on options. ------------- Rick S/V Black Diamond Hanse 575 Build #192, Hull# 161 Newport, RI |
Posted By: Pzucchel
Date Posted: 05 August 2025 at 20:07
hanse 575 or 588? ------------- Hanse588#55 |
Gale Force wrote:Posted By: Gale Force
Date Posted: 05 August 2025 at 22:18
| 575 |
Posted By: Electric Boat Dude
Date Posted: 13 August 2025 at 04:31
| What did you end up going with? Hoping to find out if the zerojet OCT 300 will fit in the 575. 🧐 |
Posted By: Pzucchel
Date Posted: 13 August 2025 at 07:05
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still cogitating...very interesting device , the OC300! I won't go again to jet : I don't need high speed , I don't need a heavy boat. this prevents beaching...but the concept is very interesting , it may fit marginally...are they already on sale or they are prototypes? their construction must be expensive ... ------------- Hanse588#55 |
Posted By: Electric Boat Dude
Date Posted: 14 August 2025 at 23:29
| 360lbs for the 300 isn't too bad IMO. They are in production. ~$45k or so with shipping. |
Posted By: Pzucchel
Date Posted: 15 August 2025 at 07:24
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similar to the williams . please don't take me wrong "electric boat dude" that joined this week on a hanse sailboat forum...I may be wrong and you were very discreet, but I've run a business too! it's a nice toy. like the williams. but it's not the solution I am looking for because:
1- too heavy, I can't lift it out myself on a beach. 2- 10x more expensive than other solutions , if you want to leave it alone on a Caribbean beach while you do other things you know what it means ...kids jumping on it in the best scenario! 3- you can't probably beach the turbine , like in the williams 4- maintenance. you probably have to take it out of the water with a crane , each year, for maintenance of the part sitting in the seawater...unless the turbine is magic. 5- fitting inside the Hanse 588 garage is not proven. how can I take a 45k risk and discover it doesn't enter ? the garage has a complex 3d shape designed on the williams shape...you may/should ask the 3d drawings to hanse under NDA and verify , but as a private individual hanse won't talk to me. And the typical distributor has no incentive in doing it ... 6- the garage rolls on the hull. this is a critical point , I've delaminated the hull multiple times in my trips. a hull that's only few mm thick to save weight is very fragile when its weight sits on few square mm2...a wave hitting you when you enter, and it's a potential damage. aluminum is better , and the lighter the better. 7- the website says available in September 2025. I need a well proven standard solution that other early adopters have fixed for me, I plan sailing on remote areas with no high tech support... good luck, I like innovative people with great ideas! I am simply not the right market segment , I just had the williams because it came with my second hand boat... ------------- Hanse588#55 |
Posted By: Black Diamond
Date Posted: 15 August 2025 at 10:45
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Couldn't agree more. I spent 40 years in high tech. Many things got introduced but failed the "practicality" test. The things that meet the "balanced scorecard" test, not just one facet, are the ones that stick in the market. ------------- Rick S/V Black Diamond Hanse 575 Build #192, Hull# 161 Newport, RI |
Posted By: SV Amadea
Date Posted: 15 August 2025 at 11:21
| I had a Williams 285. It worked on and off for 5 years when the engine filled with seawater. I bought a new engine which filled with seawater after 10 hours. Williams refused to get involved. Has anybody else had this problem with a Williams dinghy? Noone seems to understand how it could even happen. We have never towed the boat. |