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Topic: Place to store a life raft
Posted By: Miraculix
Subject: Place to store a life raft
Date Posted: 23 February 2021 at 10:50

Hello,

 

I’m new to this interesting forum. I ordered a 418 last summer, which will be launched and delivered end of March. So, I’m now busy collecting all the required equipment.

I’m a bit uncertain about the life raft and the best place to store. I see 3 possible storage places:

·       The after-locker on SB: more difficult to access during an emergency, in addition I have some doubts, whether there is sufficient space

·       The cockpit bench locker: would have to be pushed to the end, to make use of the remaining space. Is the height sufficient for this?

·       Mounting at the pushpit at the back: the space there is limited and is needed for other safety gear and the dinghy motor as well. In addition, it hampers manoeuvring in the harbour as it will be overhanging.

The space above the companionway is often used as well, but I don’t like this place as it hampers the view to the front and ventilation of the cockpit (if the sprayhood is lowered). In addition, the cabin roof could be a good, temporary place for an inflated dinghy.

I don’t have access to the boat yet and therefore cannot measure myself. Therefore I would appreciate if you could share your experience with this.

Frank

 

Miraculix, Hanse 418#169, Germany




Replies:
Posted By: Matt1
Date Posted: 23 February 2021 at 11:09
Hi Frank

Personally I don’t favour the pushpit mounted life raft after having had waves break over the stern (on another boat, not in a Hanse). I’m also not sure how strong the standard pushpit is. Some of these rafts can be 30kg plus

My best compromise on the 418 was to put it in the stbd cockpit locker which I strictly only use for safety kit eg the emergency steering, liferaft and grab bags. Inspiration Marine gave me the good idea to back to back some folding padeyes (the inside one for securing the liferaft painter and the outside one as a harness point). I further reinforced that grp section by bonding in some 18mm marine ply before fitting the padeyes.  I did have to get the liferaft repacked from a canister to a valise in order to fit (it’s an Ocean Safety x4 person)




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Hanse 418 #64 EmBer. Hamble, UK


Posted By: Matt1
Date Posted: 23 February 2021 at 11:11


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Hanse 418 #64 EmBer. Hamble, UK


Posted By: Tranquillity
Date Posted: 24 February 2021 at 18:34
Good luck on your new 418, you will have lots of fun.

It's a good question about the liferaft storage. On our 418 we ended up with rear stbd lazarette locker but put in an extra shelf to raise the liferaft to be just below locker lid so can be easily lifted out. The shelf has a 3" inch lip so the liferaft does not slide off when healed over. We use 6 man raft stored in a valise plus added an extra grab strap so can be pulled out end on as easier to get out from locker. It is still very heavy but felt best compromise for us in access, safety and protecting the raft.


Posted By: PieterH
Date Posted: 25 February 2021 at 09:45
Originally posted by Tranquillity Tranquillity wrote:

Good luck on your new 418, you will have lots of fun.

It's a good question about the liferaft storage. On our 418 we ended up with rear stbd lazarette locker but put in an extra shelf to raise the liferaft to be just below locker lid so can be easily lifted out. The shelf has a 3" inch lip so the liferaft does not slide off when healed over. We use 6 man raft stored in a valise plus added an extra grab strap so can be pulled out end on as easier to get out from locker. It is still very heavy but felt best compromise for us in access, safety and protecting the raft.
hello, can I ask you what type of liferaft you have ? I plan to keep my liferaft in the same locker and need a 6 man valise. Thank you.


Posted By: Tranquillity
Date Posted: 25 February 2021 at 11:23
Hi Pieter,
It is a six man Seago raft. I see your in Hamble as well, once lockdown is over welcome to come over and have a look on how it fits.


Posted By: PieterH
Date Posted: 25 February 2021 at 11:37
Originally posted by Tranquillity Tranquillity wrote:

Hi Pieter,
It is a six man Seago raft. I see your in Hamble as well, once lockdown is over welcome to come over and have a look on how it fits.
thanks ! I will come over and look for you early April, fingers crossed. I am based in Port Hamble.


Posted By: colinc
Date Posted: 25 February 2021 at 13:56
We ended up with two life rafts.   A small 4 person one and a bigger 6 person.  The small one lived in the cockpit locker and the six person down below under a bunk.   Since most of the time it was just my wife and I sailing we had the security of easy to launch life-raft (especially for her) available immediately.  If we had guests on board we had the second raft too. With more hands the heavier raft was no longer a problem.   Doubling up also gives insurance in case one fails to work.


Posted By: TouchOfGrey
Date Posted: 25 February 2021 at 20:52
Hi Frank,

We sail our 418 since spring 2018 and truly love the boat. The looks, the speed, the ease of handling, the space and layout inside.
About the liferaft, we too use a 6 persons raft in a valise, stored in SB cockpit locker. There is some woodwork protecting the engine air intake hose. I modified this to make it more slender (it was 4-5 inch oversized, and our valise fits perfectly next to this, resting on the hull. 
Obviously we should not be tempted to cover it all up with other stores and hamper access to the raft.
In our case we only store extra mooring lines etc on top of the raft. These are easily tossed away in case we need to deploy it.
I searched long before I found a perfect sized raft (size in valise) and ended up with a 6p Ocean Standard raft from Ocean Safety. Back in 2018 they advertised with free first service after 3 years, they just serviced mine.
Have fun preparing for your boat handover!


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Henk

Touch of Grey
H418 #028


Posted By: aripro
Date Posted: 26 February 2021 at 07:35
Dear Frank,

As usual, there is no "perfect" answer for this problem. What I found as best compromise was to place it in the aft locker, port side. In order to keep it from moving around, and to be able to easily remove it in case of an emergency, I bult a custom shelf that you can see on the attached photos. The shelf is attached to the existing wood structure in the locker using 5-6 inox screws. I also made a few holes on my shelf for any water to find a way out.
It is still possible to fit a couple of fenders underneath the shelf.
My life raft is for 8 persons and weights over 50 kg.

Have fun!
Aristides




Posted By: Miraculix
Date Posted: 28 February 2021 at 09:27
Thanks a lot for all the good advices - highly appreciated. Looks that there are quite some options to store the life raft in one of the lockers. So I'll skip the container option and go for a valise packed one. And I'll select one with a low width, so that it can be stored in the cockpit bank locker as well if required. So I can select and order a life raft now, so that it is available in time for the hand-over of the boat.

Frank

Miraculix - 418#169 - Germany


Posted By: Schnupfel
Date Posted: 28 February 2021 at 22:25
Moin Frank, und herzlichen Glückwunsch zum neuen Boot!
For what it is good for, I wouldn’t discard the pushpit option. The manoeuvring space you‘d give up is neglectable. Your outboard motor could go to the other side (though I admit that I have an electric torqeedo, which I keep down below inside), and there will still be space for other safety gear you may wish to mount either port or starboard. I am very happy with my 6px raft container on the port side (see pic below). The space in the starboard locker is precious, and you my want to safe it for other stuff like hoses, ropes etc. There is also the safety aspect, because the raft can be deployed from the pushpit even in difficult conditions very easily.
Best regards und eine gelungene Übergabe
Gunnar


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H418 #121 KAPLA


Posted By: Caylieanddavid
Date Posted: 01 March 2021 at 22:30
Gunnar,

I'm glad to see at least one canister raft as that is what I have bought but not installed yet!.  I am planning to mount it in the same location.  Do you have any photos of how it is attached to the pushpit?  Mine came with threaded sockets on the raft frame and I'm looking for the best mounting system as it is close to 50kg

Regards,

David
H418 #120


Posted By: Schnupfel
Date Posted: 01 March 2021 at 23:28
 David,
I have a cradle that came with 2 mounting clamps (see black arrows). It was pretty easy to install. Additionally I tied the cradle to the pushpit with some 3mm rope (red arrow) at one „intersection“.  I am afraid that the picture attached doesn‘t show it too well, but I hope you get the idea. Won‘t get back to my boat anytime soon due to lockdown :-(
Gunnar



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H418 #121 KAPLA


Posted By: Ratbasher
Date Posted: 02 March 2021 at 09:10
Pushpit mounting is certainly the most convenient but if your 418 is anything like my 400 then the stanchion mountings will definitely require substantial reinforcement.  

The effects on stability of such a large undesigned-for mass fairly high up right aft must also be considered, particularly if you already have other high-up weight like a roller main as these are not usually considered in the Stability Curves.  However, given that our risk-assessments should take account of the actual patterns of use then if you're never going to sail in sea-states where stability is of concern then this may not be an issue.  After a pretty interesting knock-down in the Channel one year, I'm perhaps more wary than most....

I do like the old dictum that 'the best life raft is always your own boat'.



 


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H400 (2008) 'Wight Leopard', Gosport, UK.






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