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Topic: What is this for?
Posted By: SVZara
Subject: What is this for?
Date Posted: 07 June 2021 at 18:20
What is the eye fittings on each side of the jib traveler?Is this for better sheeting angle when reaching?  If not, what is it for?  How do you rig it?




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Marc
S/V Zara
2016 Hanse 505, Hull #129



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Posted By: Matt1
Date Posted: 07 June 2021 at 20:13
Is it the same as this?
 
https://www.myhanse.com/whats-this-for_topic11985.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.myhanse.com/whats-this-for_topic11985.html
 
If so, nobody seems to know for sure


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Hanse 418 #64 EmBer. Hamble, UK



Posted By: andrewlambert
Date Posted: 07 June 2021 at 21:06
I reckon it’s a halyard padeye to put them on when not in use.

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Hanse 370 #237 "Ginger Bay" UK, River Hamble


Posted By: Tranquillity
Date Posted: 07 June 2021 at 22:58
Or could it be to clip in a safety line when working at the mast offshore?


Posted By: SVZara
Date Posted: 08 June 2021 at 06:32
Just to be clear, this image shows the pad eye near the stanchion:
https://www.hanseyachtsag.com/hanse/fileadmin/_processed_/b/1/csm_HANSE_Self-tacking_Jib_94953e5dbd.jpg" rel="nofollow - https://www.hanseyachtsag.com/hanse/fileadmin/_processed_/b/1/csm_HANSE_Self-tacking_Jib_94953e5dbd.jpg



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Marc
S/V Zara
2016 Hanse 505, Hull #129


Posted By: H8jer
Date Posted: 08 June 2021 at 08:02
Originally posted by SVZara SVZara wrote:

Just to be clear, this image shows the pad eye near the stanchion:
https://www.hanseyachtsag.com/hanse/fileadmin/_processed_/b/1/csm_HANSE_Self-tacking_Jib_94953e5dbd.jpg" rel="nofollow - https://www.hanseyachtsag.com/hanse/fileadmin/_processed_/b/1/csm_HANSE_Self-tacking_Jib_94953e5dbd.jpg
From the picture where the padeye is right next to the guardrail -  I would say it is for a Barberhaul to control an optional spinnaker (Not for a gennaker) - but they are perhaps a bit too close to the bow. Could also be for securing an inflatable dinghy stored on deck.

But the picture in  https://www.myhanse.com/whats-this-for_topic11985.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.myhanse.com/whats-this-for_topic11985.html  is different. That looks like an option to lock the jib-wagon to one side avoiding violent movements of the car.
The old xx1 series Hanse had track-limiters / Pin-stops on the Jib-sheet track. With these it was possible to lock the track-wagon when reaching. 


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Hanse 370#487 30HP 3-cabin


Posted By: Matt1
Date Posted: 08 June 2021 at 11:19
Originally posted by SVZara SVZara wrote:

Just to be clear, this image shows the pad eye near the stanchion:
https://www.hanseyachtsag.com/hanse/fileadmin/_processed_/b/1/csm_HANSE_Self-tacking_Jib_94953e5dbd.jpg" rel="nofollow - https://www.hanseyachtsag.com/hanse/fileadmin/_processed_/b/1/csm_HANSE_Self-tacking_Jib_94953e5dbd.jpg

 
Ah...that one. Yes, that's for a barber hauler. Makes quite a difference to the blade jib when reaching


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Hanse 418 #64 EmBer. Hamble, UK



Posted By: Matt1
Date Posted: 08 June 2021 at 11:23
Originally posted by H8jer H8jer wrote:

Originally posted by SVZara SVZara wrote:

Just to be clear, this image shows the pad eye near the stanchion:
https://www.hanseyachtsag.com/hanse/fileadmin/_processed_/b/1/csm_HANSE_Self-tacking_Jib_94953e5dbd.jpg" rel="nofollow - https://www.hanseyachtsag.com/hanse/fileadmin/_processed_/b/1/csm_HANSE_Self-tacking_Jib_94953e5dbd.jpg
From the picture where the padeye is right next to the guardrail -  I would say it is for a Barberhaul to control an optional spinnaker (Not for a gennaker) - but they are perhaps a bit too close to the bow. Could also be for securing an inflatable dinghy stored on deck.

But the picture in  https://www.myhanse.com/whats-this-for_topic11985.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.myhanse.com/whats-this-for_topic11985.html  is different. That looks like an option to lock the jib-wagon to one side avoiding violent movements of the car.
The old xx1 series Hanse had track-limiters / Pin-stops on the Jib-sheet track. With these it was possible to lock the track-wagon when reaching. 
 
Hmm. Not sure it's for that. The picture probably doesn't show it but its about half teh way inboard from the end of the track so wouldnt really work for locking the car. Maybe Jon is right and it's for a harness point. They started appearing on all Hanse's about a year ago (not fitted to my 418 and no deck reinforcement in that position shown in the deck plan either)


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Hanse 418 #64 EmBer. Hamble, UK



Posted By: SVZara
Date Posted: 10 June 2021 at 20:49
Originally posted by Matt1 Matt1 wrote:

Originally posted by SVZara SVZara wrote:

Just to be clear, this image shows the pad eye near the stanchion:
https://www.hanseyachtsag.com/hanse/fileadmin/_processed_/b/1/csm_HANSE_Self-tacking_Jib_94953e5dbd.jpg" rel="nofollow - https://www.hanseyachtsag.com/hanse/fileadmin/_processed_/b/1/csm_HANSE_Self-tacking_Jib_94953e5dbd.jpg

 
Ah...that one. Yes, that's for a barber hauler. Makes quite a difference to the blade jib when reaching

Do you have any recommendations on how to rig the barber hauler at the sail end?


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Marc
S/V Zara
2016 Hanse 505, Hull #129


Posted By: Matt1
Date Posted: 11 June 2021 at 07:15
I just tie a second sheet to the self tacker jib clew and then run it back to the winch. I leave the self tacking jib sheet attached but it becomes a lazy / redundant sheet whilst using the barber hauler. Technically that isn’t a barber hauler of course, but I refer to it as such because in effect I am “barber hauling” the clew outboard 

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Hanse 418 #64 EmBer. Hamble, UK



Posted By: Martin&Rene
Date Posted: 13 June 2021 at 17:51
This is how I set up a barber hauler system on my 341.  To the barber hauler control lines, I attach a snatch block (opening block) to the self tacking jib sheet when we are off the wind.

A full description of my setup can be found here, which also covers a simple method of goose-winging the jib.

https://www.myhanse.com/controlling-the-jib-downwind_topic10476_post88083.html?KW=jib#88083

Your system will obviously need to be a bit more robust, but the principle should hold the same.

For me, the prime objective of using a barber hauler is to control the twist of the jib, rather than widening the sheeting angle.  As you ease the jib sheet, the effective sheeting angle goes flatter in the vertical plain so the jib can twist more.  If you set the top of the jib correctly, then you are over-sheeting the bottom part of the jib, whilst conversely, if you set the bottom part right, then the top will flap or actually flog quite violently.

The picture shows my set up with my present jib that has battens in it, for the original jib from Hanse, I also used to tie a snap-shackle to the top of the block and clip that over the other part of the sheet as well to further tighten the leech.

If the apparent wind shifts by more than 10-15degs, then I will adjust the barber hauler to suit as well as adjusting the sheet.

Once the wind goes around 20degs aft of the beam, then the guard rails limit its effectiveness, in which case Matts idea of another sheet may be better.

Over the years, I have talked to a number of UK Sales personnel for Hanse saying that Hanse should offer a barber hauler system as a factory option, as I consider it a vital sail control.  They always talk to me about using a gennaker instead, but in my view as we sail 2 up in Scotland with shifty, gusty and occasionally strong winds, I say that idea is not a viable sole option.  So I concentrate hard on getting the best out of the jib.  Thankfully, it looks like you have a starting point for the system.  



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Martin&Rene Hanse 341 Dipper Wheel steering, 3 cabin layout, normally based in Scotland


Posted By: SVZara
Date Posted: 14 June 2021 at 01:51
This also seems like a good option in allowing a boat with a self tacking jib to "heave-to".  No way to backwind the sail, otherwise.

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Marc
S/V Zara
2016 Hanse 505, Hull #129


Posted By: 32mike
Date Posted: 14 June 2021 at 14:23
I rigged a dyneema line with a carabiner from the padeye on the toe rail to hold the jib slider in place on one side while at the pier. I’ve used this to heave to in light winds.

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Mike
S/V Dulces Sueños
458 #087
Tampa, FL


Posted By: SVZara
Date Posted: 09 August 2021 at 21:30
We rigged up the barberhauler for our race last week.  Wow, what a difference in performance.  We easily added 1 - 1.5 kts of speed when we used it.  We even sometimes split the difference between the jib sheet and the barberhauler to get the right sheeting angle.  Very cool!




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Marc
S/V Zara
2016 Hanse 505, Hull #129


Posted By: isa002
Date Posted: 10 August 2021 at 06:47
Marc,
could you make a picture from a side to show where on the toe rail the barberhauler's block is?


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s/v Wind Rose / Hanse 355 #128


Posted By: SVZara
Date Posted: 12 August 2021 at 13:30






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Marc
S/V Zara
2016 Hanse 505, Hull #129


Posted By: isa002
Date Posted: 12 August 2021 at 18:49
Wow! Thanks a lot Commander!

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s/v Wind Rose / Hanse 355 #128



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