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Topic: Life of your anodes
Posted By: Ian2019
Subject: Life of your anodes
Date Posted: 28 April 2023 at 05:00
Hi 
On my H385 there are 
Two bow thruster anodes
One split sail drive anode
Two small button prop anodes 
One hull anode 
My question is
"how long do your anodes last for? not how long should they last, or, how often they should be changed.
I have also seen on the forum someone fit anodes to the keel is this a good idea?
Cheers  


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H385 #317 2014 Tivat Montenegro



Replies:
Posted By: S&J
Date Posted: 28 April 2023 at 06:40
Probably depends on where you are and length of time in the water.
For my boat, in the Med 5 months in the (high salinity) water:
Thruster: every 2 years
Prop: every year
Sail drive: every 2 years
Hull: still good after 2 years



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H458 #159 Primal Mediterranean cruising


Posted By: Ratbasher
Date Posted: 28 April 2023 at 07:48
8-10 months in Northern European waters:

Prop/Saildrive - one year
Bowthruster/Hull - two years

Note that before I added a hull anode, the prop & SD anodes barely lasted 2-3 months.  The prop is a flexifold with a large rope cutter added, so the surface area the anode was trying to protect was too much for it.


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H400 (2008) 'Wight Leopard' Gosport, UK


Posted By: Ian2019
Date Posted: 30 April 2023 at 07:58
Hi Thanks and interesting.
She's in Boka Bay (Adriatic) all year long.
Prop button anodes are shot after 2 yrs
Prop split anode is still good after 2 yrs ?
Bow thruster anodes shot after 2 yrs  
My hull anode has been on for 3+ yrs and is still really good which I think is a little strange. I've checked the connection under the port bunk and apart from the top nuts only been hand tight and a small amount of sealant between the base of the bottom nut and the washer all seems to be OK. 
Although I can not trace the cable too far back I assume (as per the label) this is connected to the rudder/auto pilot in the steering compartment. 
It has been suggested that the hull anode may have failed due to internal (impurities) contamination during manufacturing, anyway it s being changed. 
cheers      


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H385 #317 2014 Tivat Montenegro


Posted By: Ratbasher
Date Posted: 30 April 2023 at 08:07
Sounds like yours are doing well.  Agree about your hull anode although if the saildrive leg and the rudder stock are free of any pitting then you're likely to be well protected.  I put 5 layers of epoxy on my SD leg i.a.w Yanmar's advisory and have had the new rudder (not yet launched) bonded to the hull anode.  While those goes against the advice of the maker of the original rudder, experience with the old (failed) rudder tells me otherwise. 

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H400 (2008) 'Wight Leopard' Gosport, UK


Posted By: Ian2019
Date Posted: 06 May 2023 at 04:05
I have just had the rubber boot changed no the SD by Volvo and we took the SD out to have a full inspection, I have also dropped the rudder to inspect the shaft and there is no real noticeable pitting on either, but I am still changing the hull anode and considering having one put on to the keel.
BTW its a pain on the 385 to change the Volvo SD rubber boot, the whole engine has to come out!!!! 


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H385 #317 2014 Tivat Montenegro


Posted By: Dubs2021
Date Posted: 06 May 2023 at 22:41
After 18 months in the water, year-round, my 348 hull anode had plenty of use left, could have left it in place. The saildrive and prop anodes were ready to change. Fortunately these 3 sets of anodes have substantial bulk. This is in the same marina and pier where we kept our prior vessel, which could barely clear 6-8 months before its thuster, prop and trim tab zincs would be gone. 

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Hugh


Posted By: Jojo
Date Posted: 07 May 2023 at 05:11
hallo
Sorry for asking 
The “hullanode” you called is that not the ground plate ?
If so it’s supposed to connect only as safety ground when you have a safetytrasformator in your vessel due to prevent galvanic corrosion 

When the boat is in the water conduct a simple test.             (NOT CONECTED SUORPOWER!!!!) lose the cable from the so named hullanode and measure current using a multimeter between anode and cable you lose 
If you find a current then measure ohm from that loose cable to the sail drive 
If yes a current is present and you read a low ohm
That can be a reason for a rapid anode failure 


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3 Cabin, Hanse 342, Deep draft, Tiller version.


Posted By: Brufan
Date Posted: 07 May 2023 at 18:13
It depends on where and how you stay in water.
I had an "accidental" electrolysis event.  It worn Sail drive & prop anode within 4 months and made a big hole in sail drive leg.
It came form elsewhere than the yacht hence insurance claim and yacht wasn't connected to shore power except during some weekends.



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Bruno

hanse 355 - 57

S/Y Spicy Ginger

White hull, 2 cabins, Volvo D1-30, Selden rig, removable mainsheet track system, Simrad (now B&G)-Jefa autopilot.


Posted By: Ian2019
Date Posted: 07 May 2023 at 19:39
Hi Jojo thanks for your interesting post and sure when she's back in the water I'll be doing your test, but now I'm a little confused what's the difference between a ground plate and an anode? and a what is a "safety transformer" maybe I have one but not sure about the terminology. Also I understand the rudder producer now recommend that the rudder should not be grounded (but I may be wrong!). 

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H385 #317 2014 Tivat Montenegro


Posted By: Jojo
Date Posted: 07 May 2023 at 20:29
Sorry for my bad English 
https://www.victronenergy.se/upload/documents/Datasheet-Isolation-Transformers-SE.pdf" rel="nofollow - https://www.victronenergy.se/upload/documents/Datasheet-Isolation-Transformers-SE.pdf

It’s in Swedish but you may translate in chrome browser 
The grounding plate is a sintered round like this on my Hanse 

https://www.hengko.com/sintered-copper-bronze-grounding-plate-products/" rel="nofollow - https://www.hengko.com/sintered-copper-bronze-grounding-plate-products/

And if the plate is copper and connects to a circuit in water you’re going to have some galvanic corrosion on aluminium 

IT’s advisory to secure the plate with a nut under the green/yellow cable when you are on shore so you not get water leaking or loose the plate once the boat re enter the water 

And do not forget to reattach the cable after your check 

(No Shoure cable attached when you conduct this test!!!!!)


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3 Cabin, Hanse 342, Deep draft, Tiller version.


Posted By: Ian2019
Date Posted: 08 May 2023 at 15:26
Hi, my hull fitting which is connection to the rudder is definitely not copper and looks very much like a standard anode.
There are five other Hanses (400,430,575,470 & 508) in the ship yard at the moment and I have noticed none of them have the "hull anode" "grounding plate" so I am even more puzzled.
I have two galvanic isolators fitted.


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H385 #317 2014 Tivat Montenegro


Posted By: is46664
Date Posted: 16 May 2023 at 15:24
I’m confused as my 2013 385 does not have a hull annode. 

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Ian Stevenson


Posted By: Ratbasher
Date Posted: 16 May 2023 at 17:27
Ian - don't worry, many boats don't.  I only fitted one to my H400 after finding that my SD and prop anodes were needing replacement after only about 3 months.  Do keep an eye on your SD leg and rudder shaft (issues well detailed on this forum). 

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H400 (2008) 'Wight Leopard' Gosport, UK


Posted By: Ian2019
Date Posted: 17 May 2023 at 04:48
Hi is46664, strange "the plot thickens" do you have an earthing cable attached on the rudder in the steering compartment, if so where does the other end terminate?

My SD and rudder are fine with no/very little pitting which makes me very happy Smile. I'm having "propspeed" on the SD, which, I found very good, it lasted 4yrs on the prop.  
  


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H385 #317 2014 Tivat Montenegro


Posted By: is46664
Date Posted: 17 May 2023 at 23:20
No earning cable on the rudder as far as I know 

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Ian Stevenson


Posted By: Schjell
Date Posted: 31 May 2023 at 09:52
Sorry for joining the discussion here, but I am a little befuddled again. Had boats all my life, but sailboats are a first.

As far as I can tell I've only got one anode on my 385 which is the collar anode on my sail drive. (I mounted two on my steel keel to kill off corrosion - ref. separate post).

I gave the boat a new layer of antifouling without seeing any anodes, so naturally I'm worried that there are anodes that are covered by antifouling. As for ground plate, haven't seen it.

I read through the Hanse Owners manual without seeing any details regarding this.

Under a bench in the cockpit (port side) it also has a galvanic isolator for shorepower which is factory installed, but has been disconnected because it was broken/poor quality. Based on the size I'm leaning towards it being a diode thingy, not a proper transformator. Planning to order a Victron 2kW transformator this week.

No corrosion on my saildrive, but the boat has hardly ever been on shorepower according to owner - the solar panel has been used for topping up the bank.

Fortunately I like diving, so I'm prepared to do some underwater sanding in case you guys say that I've got anodes that are not exposed to water. Couldn't spot any anodes on my retractable thruster either, but from what I can tell it's likely not supposed to have any either.


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2012 Hanse 385 - Second owner


Posted By: S&J
Date Posted: 31 May 2023 at 11:13
One of the reason for the uncertainty or confusion is that the anodes will depend on the prop and saildrive you have.  What vintage is your 385 and which prop ( manufacturer and folding/non folding.
My 2015 385 had a 2 blade Giri prop which definitely had an anode as well as the split Volvo anode on the saildrive.
I recall there being a large hull anode too.i didn't have a thruster on that boat but the retractable thruster on the 458 has a cone prop anode on either side and small "bar" type anodes on the leg.  These are readily visible with the thruster deployed and needed replacement after 2 x 5 month seasons for me.

I recall that the galvanic isolator on the 385 was fairly substantial and I'd not want to be without this.


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H458 #159 Primal Mediterranean cruising


Posted By: Ian2019
Date Posted: 01 June 2023 at 02:39
It seem I may have caused some confusion here so hopefully these photos will help BTW its a flexofold prop.



Rudder connection cable inside port cabin 



Saildrive anode, there are also two small button anodes at the top and bottom of the prop in this position 



Hull anode / grounding plate 


Bowthruster anode



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H385 #317 2014 Tivat Montenegro


Posted By: Schjell
Date Posted: 01 June 2023 at 12:26
Thanks Ian, much appreciated!
These small variations within each of the 385 deliveries cause a lot of confusion as well.
From I can see from your photos I can conclude with the following:

-I don't have a hull anode/ground fitting. I have the shallow draught steel keel.
Spoke to the tech guys who sold my boat in Norway - apparently my keel is the grounding point (which to me is strange, beacuse when new the keel was not exposed to seawater - now it is though due to rust underneath)

EDIT: -Based on your picture I believe I have the same saildrive and prop as you. I've got a VP D2-40.

-Will check to see if I have that rudder grounding wire - no idea.

EDIT2: - See picture of my retractable thruster below (Max Power Compact Retract - different brand than yours). No anode like yours, looks like one is missing, but pictures from manufacturer online suggests that there should not be any anodes on this model.





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2012 Hanse 385 - Second owner


Posted By: Ian2019
Date Posted: 02 June 2023 at 16:28
Hi your are right this is from the Max Power compact retractor manual 

"The composite drive leg is prefilled with oil from the factory, which does not need to be replaced. Due to its composite material the drive leg does not need an anode for protection. When the boat is ashore, check for evidence of fishing line, etc. in the propellers"

So one less thing for you to worry about!!!Smile 



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H385 #317 2014 Tivat Montenegro


Posted By: Schjell
Date Posted: 15 June 2023 at 12:05
Hi, did all of you guys also get a boat with this questionable galvanic (diode) protector under the portside cockpit seat?
In my case it was defective and I replaced it with a proper transformer installed in a more electronics friendly environment.






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2012 Hanse 385 - Second owner


Posted By: S&J
Date Posted: 15 June 2023 at 12:51
My 2021 458 has a Pro Marine ProSafe FS30. Galvanic Isolator.  Looks professional.  I don't recall the brand from my 2015 385 but it was equally substantial.
What year is your boat?


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H458 #159 Primal Mediterranean cruising


Posted By: H8jer
Date Posted: 15 June 2023 at 13:00
Originally posted by Schjell Schjell wrote:

Hi, did all of you guys also get a boat with this questionable galvanic (diode) protector under the portside cockpit seat?
In my case it was defective and I replaced it with a proper transformer installed in a more electronics friendly environment.
Hi Schjell

Are you sure it was defective? The manufacturer has sold 500.000 with 0% failure rate according to their webpage:
https://sterling-power.com/products/zinc-savers-galvanic-isolators" rel="nofollow - https://sterling-power.com/products/zinc-savers-galvanic-isolators

I have installed this kind of Sterling Zinksaver in my current and previous boat. It should only lit the diodes if it is defective or the voltage exceed 2 volts.
This Sterling Galvanic Isolator is much better than nothing...

Congratulation with your new Transformer, was it expensive?
/H8jer


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Hanse 370#487 30HP 3-cabin


Posted By: Schjell
Date Posted: 15 June 2023 at 13:12
To be honest, the previous owner had disconnected it because he said it was faulty. He rarely used shorepower anyways.
The 2kW Victron i bought was approx NOK 7000 + NOK 500 for the 10A 2-pole GFCI.
I didn't go for the 16A transformer version due to its size and what I actually need. Might add a switch later that bypasses transformer if I need 16A for shorter periods of time.



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2012 Hanse 385 - Second owner



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