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Topic: Build time and what to expect
Posted By: Lhsrris218
Subject: Build time and what to expect
Date Posted: 21 September 2023 at 01:20
Hi.  Ordered a 460 1 yr ago and today got an email from my broker that boat is ready for production and we have to finalize specs.
What us the usual build and delivery time after this process  - broker didn't know. 
Also what should I expect?  Are boats usually delivered ready to sail  - fenders, safety equipment etc.  My broker only used the spreadsheet as a contract with no other details. 
What should I look for on delivery?
Anything else?
Thanks in advance 

Posted By: 415 Singapore
Date Posted: 21 September 2023 at 06:20
Hi, I am sure the newer owners will be able to help you on this, but I somehow doubt Hanse have increased the amount of stuff they put on their new boats Smile
Night Train was delivered with fenders, mooring lines etc, but no safety equipment at all.
We took the standard package for the anchor and I was slightly alarmed to find this was a) right on the minimum weight limit for a boat of this size and b) only came with 30 metres of galvanised chain which rather limited the depths you could anchor in!
Enjoy your new boat
All the best

Paul - Night Train - 415 #136

Posted By: marsella
Date Posted: 21 September 2023 at 12:32
The cruising package comes with fenders and dock lines but my new 458 was delivered with the dock lines that were slim and short, I had to upgrate for 1" thick and 50' long right away, also 6 fenders are not enough obviolusy. The galvanized anchor chain is 60 m long on 46' boat but after a couple of years of using the boat I regret now that I did not order their optional 100m chain. Electric winches - big headache to upgrade, if I would have known that I would have factory ordered them. Cheers! 

Posted By: Lhsrris218
Date Posted: 21 September 2023 at 12:37
Also. Is there a resource available to compare options.  Ie swim decks and ladders, cockpit tables - really nothing I can find that describes the difference between some options.
My dealer doesn't seem to have anything either.

Posted By: marsella
Date Posted: 21 September 2023 at 13:08
If you cut paste to this thread which options cause confusion, one can guess. Cockpit tables come  with fridge or without, swim platforms come electrc or manual, and so on.

Posted By: Wayne's World
Date Posted: 21 September 2023 at 17:51

The only person who can tell you about delivery to you is your dealer. Hanse only communicate with their dealers not buyers. In your case having the boat delivered to the US and the shipping from Europe to the US would be done by the dealer. Once in the US the boat would need to be re-rigged, the keel fitted etc. All this would be arranged by your dealer and the timing of same under their control. Safety items like EPIRB, flares etc are country dependant so the dealer or you would sort those out. If any item is not listed on the spec sheet you have ordered from then it is not supplied. Surely the dealer can tell you what they supply or don't! Hanse would tell the dealer when the boat would be ready and awaiting pick up. But for you there would still be months before the boat would be ready for delivery from the dealer. 

Maybe another forumite who has had a US delivery with your dealer could provide more details on inclusions or not and the time taken. Your forum profile doesn't mention where in the US you are. So further profile detail and details of your dealer may encourage some owners to reply.
Our dealer offered a commissioning package which included one of their staff visiting the factory (ours was a factory pick up) a month before we were due to arrive. They launched and test sailed the boat and ran all the equipment. They then gave Hanse a snag list of items to be fixed. Then again when we arrived the dealer staff met us and ran us through the boat and took us for a test sail. Their, not unsubstantial commissioning fee included things like filling the fuel tanks, providing gas bottles. They detailed all the their commissioning inclusions before we agreed to the service.  

Hope the delivery goes well for you.  

Wayne W
Cruising, currently in the Caribbean and will head across the Pacific early 2024

Posted By: Keakaka
Date Posted: 09 October 2023 at 08:00
Hi I have just taken delivery of 460 #104 in New Zealand. Three cabin plus bunk room - great layout for larger family and storage.
Our dealer was very informative with deciding the specification. The base boat is ready to sail but would be very limited. 
The three factory upgrade packages- Navigation, Cruising and Performance have been perfect for our conditions - open water week long trips.
The standard battery is minimal and will need either solar or a bigger generator/ alternator- we upgraded to three  x160 Ah AGM and a 170 amp Balmar alternator plus 600w solar. We have added to the base boat about $US100,000 of extras including safety epirb, tender, outboard, solar, Dodger, Bimini, electrical inverter/charger but we have a fantastic boat.
Manufacture took about 12 weeks from final specs to exit the yard then two weeks QC then two weeks at port prior to shipping. Our boat started production in April and left the yard in June arriving in New Zealand September 6 weeks shipping. then four weeks assembly and commissioning.
You will enjoy the boat even though the wait is very frustrating

This is not a rehearsal. Go for it. Kiakaha

Posted By: ahclark
Date Posted: 25 October 2023 at 19:44
I just took delivery of my 460 (hull #105, order #194) in Annapolis, Maryland on September 26.   The boat entered production on April 27 and left the Greifswald boatyard on July 17.  The transport ship carrying it (mast up and partially rigged) departed the port in Greifswald on July 21 and arrived in Baltimore on August 17.  The boat was delivered to me with 6 fenders and 4 three-strand dock lines (option XW3000 Cruising Package). The only other safety equipment included from Hanse was an Osculatti emergency boarding ladder. 

Posted By: mr-ludi
Date Posted: 29 October 2023 at 08:01
If you compare the final production date with the scheduled date by signing the contract, was it on time, earlier or later?

Posted By: Black Diamond
Date Posted: 29 October 2023 at 17:45
I visited the factory twice when they were building our 575.     Once when deciding to buy the boat, and a second time just before it shipped (Hanse wanted money before it left the factory).  Impressive process. 

The hulls are made in Stettin (Poland),  just across the border from Greifswald.     By the time the hull arrives at the factory,  all of the components to be put in the boat are there.  For our boat it took about 6 weeks once the work began.    Everything was in boxes and carts labeled for the build number of the boat and people just began to put things together.   Particularly impressive was that the wood bulkheads and panels just fit perfectly when put into the hull.  The build was so "on-spec" that there was very little (if any) adjusting or "making it fit" involved.         6 weeks was for a fairly loaded 575 with most of the options, save the ridiculously priced Williams Jet Tender and the garage additions.

When I went there,  I created a punch list on Friday (a blemish here,  a question there) and they had dealt with it by the following Monday.  `  

Its important to note that the build time IN THE BUILDING was about 6 weeks, but it can take an equal amount of time (or longer) to move your boat out of the canal and to sea. Most US delivered boats are going thru the Kiel Canal to German or Dutch ports for loading onto ships.   If you have post manufacturing work done (it used to be called "Ronnie's Yacht Werks") then that can further delay things.    For example,  I had a REVERSO oil change pump installed for engine and generator as well as a 9" B&G Zeus put into the nav station.   More time. 

Be prepared.    I wanted to see the build process so I went to the factory.   What issues I have are not with the process, but with some of the components selected (seacocks vs ball valves,  "marine brass", etc.).   Otherwise, they are a world class boat manufacturer.

I contrast this to the Hylas 49 I had built 15 years ago.  I went to Taiwan for that build as well.   Rather than well organized and executed manufacturing processes,   it was more "art" with craftsman "making each one unique" during the build.  Material all over the place, etc.   Somehow a sailing jewel came out the other end.  :-)   Very different.

S/V Black Diamond
Hanse 575 Build #192, Hull# 161
Newport, RI

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