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Topic: Spinnaker halyard
Posted By: Sounder
Subject: Spinnaker halyard
Date Posted: 13 February 2024 at 17:15
I have ordered an asymmetric spinnaker and a code zero. NADINE is a 2021 348 that I bought new. I sent a drone with a camera up the mast. I have a halyard labeled spinnaker but it emerges through a sheave right above the fractional head stay. On the rigging diagram for the boat it appears that the code zero is meant to be fractional while a spinnaker needs a halyard to to truck at the top of the spar. I do not see a halyard or a sheave at the top. Does anyone have any insight?



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David S
NADINE (Hanse 348 #199)
Western Long Island Sound



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Posted By: Kox
Date Posted: 14 February 2024 at 07:12
I have a '07 315 with a Z-Spars-mast which is tapered above the forestay. I asked Z-Spars severalt times about the recommended height above the forestay, they never answered.
So in the end, I got a rigger to cut in a sheave and a dead-end fitting and mount a halyard lead. I knew he'd done it on another 315. 
The parts are Selden:  https://www.riggerne.com/upload_dir/docs/DeadEndBracketMounting_2-1Halyards.pdf" rel="nofollow - https://www.riggerne.com/upload_dir/docs/DeadEndBracketMounting_2-1Halyards.pdf

It looks like this:



I'm very happy with this solution. AND I'm really, really happy I didn't cut the holes in the mast myself :-)

The problem with the halyard just above the forestay, is that there is no room for a furler or a snuffer for the genakker. And often the original sheave is made for a spinnaker which flies "out of" the sheave, whereas the codes and gennakkers are going "closer to the wind" making the halyard chafe on the sides of the sheave.


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Hanse 315, Ella, Hull# 640


Posted By: S&J
Date Posted: 14 February 2024 at 09:36
I would talk to Selden to confirm that the rig is designed for mast head spinnaker.
Although I doubt this is the issue on an "8" series, the 385 used three different mast suppliers (Z-Spars, Starcraft and Selden).  My 2015 boat was was one of the first with a Selden rig which definitely could not support the mast head spinnaker that the sail plan showed.  Presumably the sail plan was not updated with the new rig supplier.
This almost resulted in an expensive mistake in me ordering the wrong size spinnaker.  Fortunately I talked to the riggers at Greifswald who clarified what I needed.


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H458 #159 Primal Mediterranean cruising


Posted By: johanlavenius
Date Posted: 14 February 2024 at 13:26
If you didn't order it with a flying sail the don't mount the sheave and a dead-end fitting. 
Got a rigger to install it on my Selden mast. Selden got specifications on where to mount it.




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Hanse 348 # 93 - Solvind


Posted By: Sounder
Date Posted: 22 February 2024 at 14:54
Thank you all for your helpful comments. I have found that although the Hanse 348 rigging diagram shows very clearly a masthead halyard for a spinnaker, and I ordered it with a spinnaker rig, the halyard labeled "Spinnaker" comes out just above the forestay. I'm not impressed. I'm trying to see about having an Antal 00618 60 mm sheave placed at or just below the black band for a furling code zero (Quantum). It also would better serve my A3 spinnaker to be sure. Any other thoughts or feedback are most welcome.


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David S
NADINE (Hanse 348 #199)
Western Long Island Sound


Posted By: Kox
Date Posted: 22 February 2024 at 21:05
Sounder, you will also need a halyard lead! The halyard will chafe on the edges.

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Hanse 315, Ella, Hull# 640


Posted By: Sounder
Date Posted: 22 February 2024 at 23:44
Halyard lead... Roger.
Thank you.


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David S
NADINE (Hanse 348 #199)
Western Long Island Sound


Posted By: Kox
Date Posted: 23 February 2024 at 04:25
Originally posted by Sounder Sounder wrote:

Halyard lead... Roger.
Thank you.

And since you're considering a Code 0, you might also consider a 2:1 purchase on the halyard. A Code 0 needs the luff to be tensioned quite hard.

On my pic from Feb 14th you can see how the purchase of my halyard is made. 

One end of the halyard is spliced to a dead end bracket (left in the picture), the halyard then goes through a Selden block, which is attached to the head of the gennaker/Code 0. The halyard exits the Selden Block and returns to the top of the mast through the halyard lead and the sheave box (right in the pic), and down through the mast.

The Selden high load 2:1 purchase halyard block:




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Hanse 315, Ella, Hull# 640


Posted By: boatman
Date Posted: 02 March 2024 at 13:09
I just did this in Oct 23. At first I could figure out where the leader line on my mast was going to, especially since it was single ended. Couldn't believe there was no exit. Upon closer examination there was a box, as you mentioned, and inch above where the headstay attaches, but it is only for the type of sail Hanse sells. I wanted a sail I could use both in light winds UPWIND (as much as possible) as well as off the wind. Call it screecher, gennaker, reacher, etc. I wanted it on a furler that I could leave up all the time (well, if it was going to blow 25+ I would take it down, but I am RI and in the summer that normally happens only a few times during the season).

This requires an attachment point that needs some clearance above the headstay. THE NUMBER YOU ARE LOOKING FOR is at least 6" and not more than 18". 

So when the boat came out, I had the yard take down the mast, the rigger put in a sheave, and halyard guide and then put up the mast again. For me, this was $1500 of yard work/crane etc. The actual material to put in the sheave was $90. Got dyneema covered halyard, that was $500. 

Not happy that Hanse didn't include this option on all masts. I know boat prices are competitive, but cmon, trivial to order when the mast is being made, new Hanses range from $200k to 800k, so toss in another sheave for $100 more!

Sorry for the lengthy post, PM me w your email and I can send pics. I always have trouble loading pics to this site, you have to reduce the size of the file. I will try to do that, I think I posted them last fall somewhere on a Hanse site, it might have the FB group. 


Posted By: Sounder
Date Posted: 02 March 2024 at 14:31
Thank you very much. This looks excellent. The 2:1 makes sense too. I stopped by the yard the other day to see the rigger. Since the boat is on the hard and not accessible to the crane, we plan to haul the mast in May (after the rush for launching is past), and set this up. He seems to think there is a slot at the mast head plate on my Selden that is meant to accommodate a sheave at the top. The mast is not tapered. Thank you again for the guidance.
Cheers.


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David S
NADINE (Hanse 348 #199)
Western Long Island Sound


Posted By: Sounder
Date Posted: 02 March 2024 at 14:38
We have Selden spars but I haven’t had much lunch getting any guidance from them. How did you get in touch with the riggers at Hanse?
Thank you very much for your thoughts.


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David S
NADINE (Hanse 348 #199)
Western Long Island Sound


Posted By: Sounder
Date Posted: 02 March 2024 at 14:42
Solvind, this seems to be what we are planning to do. What sail have you been flying from this point? I believe you have a code zero on a furler. Thank you very much for the photo and your comments. I took a screenshot and forwarded it to my rigger, sailmaker and the Hanse broker in Newport. 

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David S
NADINE (Hanse 348 #199)
Western Long Island Sound


Posted By: Sounder
Date Posted: 02 March 2024 at 14:47
Thank you. The rigger seemed to be thinking a 2:1 tack and 1:1 halyard. I’ll keep you updated. Grateful for your guidance and great photos.

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David S
NADINE (Hanse 348 #199)
Western Long Island Sound



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