460 Wiring diagramme?
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Topic: 460 Wiring diagramme?
Posted By: 460AUS
Subject: 460 Wiring diagramme?
Date Posted: 21 June 2024 at 06:04
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Hi All, I have ordered a 460 for delivery to Sydney AU hopefully by March next year. Does anyone have an electrical wiring diagramme they can share? Cheers J
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Posted By: Cimbro
Date Posted: 25 August 2024 at 18:16
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Abbiamo varato la nostra 460 a metà luglio di quest'anno e subito dopo siamo partiti per una crociera di un mese lungo la costa dalmata. L'impianto elettrico ha creato subito grossi problemi che non sono ancora stati risolti. Mi hanno inviato lo schema elettrico in formato PDF. Se mi mandi i tuoi riferimenti privatamente, posso inviarteli ------------- Cimbro |
Posted By: Sahinsair
Date Posted: 01 September 2024 at 11:05
| Hi which kind of priblem you have. In fact I have also some. For example i have noticed that ni charges and understand that battery combiner is not working. We changed Vuctron CttixsCt combiner. Its still not work well. I am thinking to find originalbattery combiner. |
Posted By: Cimbro
Date Posted: 01 September 2024 at 16:25
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The problem is that the AGM batteries are not sufficient to power all the services that remain switched on even if everything is switched off. My boat has two batteries of 160 AH each, I have already decided to install two more (I hope there is enough space). After one night with all services switched off except the two fridges and the water pump, I find my batteries with only 36% charge (in the evening they were at 70%). I point out that one fridge consumes 4 A and another 2 A (but when the compressor is running... so not continuously). It often happens that the switch that checks the state of the batteries senses low batteries and immediately disconnects all services and we have to be ready to reset it. The first time we had to look for it: it's under the sofa in the dinette. The trouble is that it jumps up and switches off all the electronic instruments, the anchor windlass, the manoeuvring propellers, the autopilot... and if you're sailing at that moment, it's not very nice... You also have to be careful because even if you switch off the inverter from the small black panel, the MasterVolt inverter will work automatically if it does not feel the 220 dockside volts. This draws 1.6 amps. You have to operate the MasterVolt switch to really switch off the inverter (obviously if you don't need it, but at night you don't need it!). I did a test: I disconnected the batteries and switched off the inverter and I can see that 0.9 amps are still being consumed. I will now try to understand how this can happen. To conclude: too many electrical and electronic devices have been added that are not under switch and continue to draw power even if the batteries are disconnected. An example for all: the ‘Sentinel’ device that I do not want to use, requires a subscription that I will not make, but it is always on! ------------- Cimbro |
Posted By: mr-ludi
Date Posted: 01 September 2024 at 16:33
| If I turn off the red master service switch, the boat still needs about 70Ah a day. |
Posted By: Cimbro
Date Posted: 01 September 2024 at 16:48
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You are right! I am an electronics engineering graduate, I confess I don't understand what all these Ah can be used for, now by removing the inverter I think I have brought it up to 22 Ah, but it still seems like a lot and I don't understand what it can be used for.
------------- Cimbro |
Posted By: mr-ludi
Date Posted: 01 September 2024 at 18:02
| In my case most of it is for the Internet-Router, Security-Cam and DC/DC-Charger for Bowthruster. |
Posted By: Sahinsair
Date Posted: 02 September 2024 at 09:13
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I am not very comfortable even though I added 2 Victrons. When I turn on the third refrigerator, if I enter the night with 70% electricity, the protection fuse is activated. The Simarine on the boat actually has the capacity to show how much each appliance is consuming. However, Hanse has refrained from installing the necessary shunt for this. But I would like to have it installed somehow. Does anyone have information about the necessary product list and cost?
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Posted By: mr-ludi
Date Posted: 02 September 2024 at 09:45
I have 840Ah and set the battery protection to 15%. What SOC did you choose for activating the battery protection?
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Sahinsair wrote:Posted By: pb1006
Date Posted: 02 September 2024 at 10:54
| Simarine shunt SC303. 109,95€ on SVB one year ago. Supplied with connection cable to Simarine unit. You just need to add a power jumper beetween batt and shunt. I did connect it on minus. Very usefull to control charge and discharge. |
Posted By: Keakaka
Date Posted: 03 September 2024 at 05:43
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I have 460 with 480 Ah AGM and 600w solar. we have no problems. We run one fridge, lights, anchor alarm, navigation, anchor light. We always start the night with 90% full charge. We never get below 85% overnight We have Victron Charger/inverter, Victron GX70 display Victron GX battery monitor Victron DC-DC charger Balmar alternator and regulator Victron Smart shunt 600w Lux solar and 2 X Victron controllers 3 X 160 Ah AGM batteries This all cost about $US10,000 plus installation. If I do it again I will have the same but lithium batteries. The AGM are big and heavy. You do need to run the engine at night to get the charge up above 80% I suggest. Hope this helps The Simarine gauges are not accurate for start. I assume you are using AGM factory batteries If you have 70% SOC starting the night your battery is close to its low level - 60% minimum. We work on 200Ah per day for auto pilot and navigation - this seems to be enough and solar recharges by mid day ------------- This is not a rehearsal. Go for it. Kiakaha |
Posted By: mr-ludi
Date Posted: 03 September 2024 at 06:52
Using 5% of 480Ah = 24Ah in about 10 hours is less than my 460 is using when I‘m not on the boat and my main switch is off. Very good 👌
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Posted By: S&J
Date Posted: 03 September 2024 at 20:22
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I have previously commented on the plethora of options (some of which were standard on the 458) on the 460. The basic battery (2 x 160Ah) needs to be increased if you take additional power hungry devices like fridges. Having said that, my fridge averages 1-1.5Ah per hour. It draws 4-5A but only runs 25-30% of the time. This year I added a Starlink which uses almost 1kWh a day if left running 24/7. Solar is pretty essential for cruising. We have 800W of panels which generate up to 3.5kWh per day. My batteries are rarely below 85%. ------------- H458 #159 Primal Mediterranean cruising |
Posted By: Wild
Date Posted: 05 September 2024 at 12:37
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Hé In Greece 🥵in summertime. -+30’ degree Celsius our compressor Danfoss BD35F isotherm 135 liter fridge and our second Waceo fridge 80 liter Danfoss BD35F compressor runs a lot more than 25-30 % a day, ours run + 50% of the time. 2x 4-5 Ah = 8-10 Ah x min 12-15 h/24u = +120 Ah/24 u. We have 660 service battery =start SOC 90% = 65-70% SOC after 24u just for the fridges. But we have lots of 🧊 ice and cool beers 24u/24u 🍺 😅
------------- Wild and Wet Belgium 545e#268 |
Posted By: ariette
Date Posted: 13 September 2024 at 09:17
| Even with the house batteries switched off my 460 consumes about 1amp with multiple services 'on standby'. The Hanse supplied lithiums (maybe all batteries?) are protected by a low voltage auto switch -Blue Sky ML RBS which switches off everything except the auto bilge pump. My dealer now advises to switch this off when leaving the boat for extended periods to reduce power drain and protect the batteries. (it will auto switch off anyway when too much drain occurs) Access to the switch is behind the third cushion back on the port side. It switched itself off automatically on my last absence and took time with a multimeter to find out the issue and restore 12v. The Hanse book doesn't mention it at all so it is mentioned here for those of you who have not yet found it. |
Posted By: S&J
Date Posted: 13 September 2024 at 09:46
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I would always recommend switching both battery banks off using the red key when leaving the boat for an extended period. This does mean emptying the fridge! Even with these switches off there is a permanent circuit for things like bilge pump, Sentinel, entrance courtesy light and (if installed) heating. These may draw up to 1A. I leave my boat for the winter with the batteries switched off but connected. I have added a modem/router, security camera and half my NMEA backbone to the permanent circuit to monitor the boat remotely. I rarely see more than 1.5A drawn. Note that I now have solar to keep the battery charged. Before I had solar I used to disconnect everything from the negative battery post. My AGM batteries held charge well over my 8 month winter absence, even in the colder winters of northern Europe. ------------- H458 #159 Primal Mediterranean cruising |
Posted By: mr-ludi
Date Posted: 13 September 2024 at 11:51
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Switching off the red main switch or the low voltage protection switch, stops THE SAME power circuit. After switching it off, there are a lot of devices still connected: - Router including external Antenna - DC/DC Charger for both thrusters - Gas-Sensor - Bilgepumps - Security-Cam - Emergency light - Engine Fan Relay - Charging Devices |
Posted By: ariette
Date Posted: 11 October 2024 at 17:16
| Mr- Ludi, you are right and according to Hanse the only way to slow the drain is to remove the individual fuses to the items you mention unless you are happy to disconnect the batteries entirely and lose the bilge pump too. Seems like madness to me. Even Hanse themselves describe the process as 'cumbersome' |
Posted By: Wild
Date Posted: 11 October 2024 at 20:15
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After problems with the AGM battery’s with only the battery switches off after 2 years we disconnected Al the battery’s during 6 months on the land in wintertime. Since then no problem the AGM’s staying +90% SOC after 6 months of absence. ------------- Wild and Wet Belgium 545e#268 |
Posted By: mr-ludi
Date Posted: 12 October 2024 at 10:50
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@ariette: There are about ten items still connected after disconnecting the main switch. I haven‘t checked it yet, but I believe two or three of ten are responsible for 80% of remaining consumption. @wild: Disconnecting the batteries will solve it. But it‘s not the best idea if the boat is staying in water. Overall, having a consumption of about 120Ah a day, while „everything“ is switched off, is not just a challenge during winter.
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Posted By: ariette
Date Posted: 12 October 2024 at 12:20
| Ludi. It would be great to know which two you think are using all the power. Hanse also disconnect the inverter/charger. Is this one of the culprits do you think? I would prefer not to as it makes occasional winter charging by the marina more complex for them |
Posted By: mr-ludi
Date Posted: 12 October 2024 at 13:27
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If you connect a modern charger or inverter, it will be on standby, which means it needs energy. Haven‘t checked how much yet. If I switch my inverter on, but don‘t connect any 230V devices, it needs about 2,2A. In my case I believe the device needing most energy, even after disconnecting the main switch, will be the internet router. Second device will be the security cam or the DC/DC-Charger for the bow thruster.
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Posted By: Wild
Date Posted: 12 October 2024 at 16:08
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(@wild: Disconnecting the batteries will solve it. But it‘s not the best idea if the boat is staying in water. Overall, having a consumption of about 120Ah Quote) I agree disconnect all the battery’s during long time of absence and in the water is not a good idea.  Taking out the fuses for al the stuff you don’t need like DC/DC for trusters,fridges etc and just leave the necessary things like bilge pumps, alarm etc on is a better idea. ------------- Wild and Wet Belgium 545e#268 |
Posted By: 460AUS
Date Posted: 20 October 2024 at 00:39
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Victron make a really helpful battery shunt that will graph power usage for battery it is connected to. When I get my hands on my H460 in March I will have them fitted to the bow thruster batteries 2x 12 volt and another to the engine battery. I have it fitted to my H315 and it takes all the guessing out of power usage etc Cheers J
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