Sheeted Jib vs Self Tacker
Printed From: myHanse.com
Category: Hints & Tips
Forum Name: 415/418
Forum Description: 415/418 Hints, Tips and News
URL: https://www.myhanse.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=14894
Printed Date: 27 March 2026 at 01:23
Software Version: Web Wiz Forums 12.06 - https://www.webwizforums.com
Topic: Sheeted Jib vs Self Tacker
Posted By: Cablecar
Subject: Sheeted Jib vs Self Tacker
Date Posted: 18 November 2024 at 18:31
|
Does anybody have any experience with changing over to a sheeted jib on the 415/418? ------------- Cable Car Hanse 418 #281 New England |
Replies:
Posted By: spam
Date Posted: 19 November 2024 at 13:27
|
I have been wondering about the same. Especially in light weather, I think a larger jib might make a lot of difference going up wind. Would be very interested to hear from anyone with a sheeted jib S/V Ventus Hanse 415/314 Boston
|
Posted By: jpbsolo
Date Posted: 20 November 2024 at 01:44
| I put a carbon jib on my 415....made an enormous difference to upwind sailing but tends to be overpowered above 15 / 18 knots ...has been a godsend racing |
Posted By: Dubs2021
Date Posted: 11 December 2024 at 00:10
|
Considering this also for my 348. The challenge is our shrouds on both models are outboard, so did you run the sheets inside or outside the shrouds? Inside: the increase in sail area would be less. Outside: the ability to run close to the wind might be less. How much sail area, by percentage, did you gain, versus the self tacker? Thanks and happy holidays! ------------- Hugh |
Posted By: jpbsolo
Date Posted: 11 December 2024 at 03:18
|
The jib has to go inside the shrouds ...there should be aluminium plates beneath the coach house gel coat ...there should increase in sail area isn't huge , I believe it's a 101% jib...but the carbon stiffness and sheeting to almost the deck makes a big difference...the trick is to find and map the position of those plates in the Gelcoat ...I used a serious metal detains mapped it out the drilled and tapped the plate using Seldon tracks ...be careful |
Posted By: landlocked
Date Posted: 11 December 2024 at 04:30
|
I used this to locate the aluminum backing plates: https://www.zircon.com/tools/metalliscanner-m40/" rel="nofollow - https://www.zircon.com/tools/metalliscanner-m40/ It worked amazingly well and mapped out plates that exactly matched the Hanse drawing dimensions. ------------- "Kerkyra" 400e #042 |
Posted By: TouchOfGrey
Date Posted: 05 January 2025 at 13:33
|
Hi Cable Car, In the 418 there are no aluminium reinforcements in the deck next to the raised cabin. On a beam/broad reach you could attach a block to the shroud connections and run a sheet from jib - extra block - aft winch. This improves you sail position quite a bit. We actually use the self-tacking jib the most, and on beam/broad reach with max TWS 12/18 knots we use a Furlstrom sail from Elvstrom. Fantastic addition, it's been our Turbo on may sailing trips. Henk ------------- Henk Touch of Grey H418 #028 |
Posted By: Matt1
Date Posted: 05 January 2025 at 19:54
|
Henk is right, whilst the 415 did have reinforcement, as far as I’m aware there is none in the 418 for some reason. But I have seen video of a 418 with a Genoa (I’d guess around 105%) so somebody has managed to do it. I assume they reinforced the underside of the deck by removing the headliner, but how they tie that to it through the halliard covers is a mystery. I’ll try and upload a picture ------------- Hanse 418 #64 EmBer. Hamble, UK |
Posted By: Matt1
Date Posted: 05 January 2025 at 19:58
|
https://youtube.com/shorts/1NuiUOZayWs?si=AkH7a_so1hJV5tSo" rel="nofollow - https://youtube.com/shorts/1NuiUOZayWs?si=AkH7a_so1hJV5tSo ------------- Hanse 418 #64 EmBer. Hamble, UK |
Posted By: Cablecar
Date Posted: 06 January 2025 at 01:14
|
I was able to track down the owner of Vellamo just before Christmas. He is in New Zealand. When he gets a chance, he said he will get me some photos of the jib track installation on his boat. Fingers crossed. I'll update what I get when I get it. ------------- Cable Car Hanse 418 #281 New England |
Posted By: Matt1
Date Posted: 06 January 2025 at 15:59
|
Great! Please do share as I’m intrigued. My last boat (not a Hanse) had essentially the same rig and I had both the std self tacker and a 105% Genoa (limited to 105-% like on the Hanse with the swept spreaders) and the Genoa did make a big difference even though the area wasn’t that much bigger. An alternative is something like this - which may be more practical and avoid having to swap between the self tacker and Genoa, especially as the self tacker takes time with the battens https://crusadersails.com/sail/super-zero/" rel="nofollow - https://crusadersails.com/sail/super-zero/ ------------- Hanse 418 #64 EmBer. Hamble, UK |
Posted By: Cablecar
Date Posted: 06 January 2025 at 17:03
|
True a Code 0 is a good addition to the sail inventory. ------------- Cable Car Hanse 418 #281 New England |
Posted By: spam
Date Posted: 06 January 2025 at 19:30
|
Hi landlocked quick question, on the 415 the covers that go over the halyards extend to the area where the tracks need to go. My understanding is that the Al plates are laminate into the deck underneath the covers (instead of in the covers). I believe the same is true on the 400. Did you just drill through the covers and then into the deck underneath the covers to mount the tracks? Are the covers essentially flush on the deck there? I always wondered about the construction Harold S/V Ventus 415/314
|
Posted By: landlocked
Date Posted: 07 January 2025 at 17:57
|
Hi Harold: On my 400 (2006) the plates are adjacent to the covers so the tracks are bolted to the deck, not the covers. My covers definitely would not support the compression force if the tracks were bolted through them. Maybe you can double-check the location of the plates - I found two Hanse drawings for the 400 that showed the plates in different locations so unfortunately you can't trust all the drawings. The actual location and plate size was exactly as shown in the (correct) drawing. I've attached some photos that include the Hanse drawing location and the Zircon tool I used to confirm and tape out the location. We drilled and tapped the holes and bedded the tracks down with butyl rubber. I re-tightened the bolts regularly over the following months until the tracks were fully bedded down. There is a lot of force on these tracks including some shock-loading.        ------------- "Kerkyra" 400e #042 |
Posted By: landlocked
Date Posted: 07 January 2025 at 18:26
|
Hi again Harold: I found this picture of a 415 so I see what you mean. The construction is different from the 400. I can remove the covers to get at the deck organizer and lines and to clean out that area but it looks like the covers are more "permanent" on the 415. Maybe you can bolt through the covers as you said but it seems quite different from the 400 so my comparison won't be much help.  ------------- "Kerkyra" 400e #042 |
Posted By: spam
Date Posted: 08 January 2025 at 19:31
|
Hi Landlocked, Thanks for all the photos. It indeed looks like the 400 is different from the 415 in this respect. It looks like I will need to do some more research. One other question, how did you remove the liner on the inside of the cabin? Looks like you found a way to remove it Harold S/V Ventus 415/314
|
Posted By: Cablecar
Date Posted: 08 January 2025 at 20:08
|
Harold - The "liner" on the 415/418 is 2 parts. The fabric panels are glued on to the fiberglass liner which is then glued to the deck. Access to the space between the two can be had through the lights and the wiring compartment under the mast. ------------- Cable Car Hanse 418 #281 New England |
Posted By: samuel
Date Posted: 09 January 2025 at 12:35
|
If there are plates in the deck under the covers & the track does not foul the organisers then a possible solution would be to cut a slot in the cover. The track will sit on the deck & not have to be moved when the cover is moved to check the organisers and service the ropes.(a stuck organiser could wear badly & chaffe the lines) If it is a case of bolting through to plates inside, this would be even better as no internal work would be needed to release the covers. ------------- Daydream Believer- Hanse 311- No GBR9917T- Bradwell Essex |
Posted By: Matt1
Date Posted: 09 January 2025 at 13:18
|
I wonder if we are all missing a trick here? Later 418’s built after mine, came with a pad eye fitted on the coachroof either side and just aft of the mast. Noting that french builders prefer a bridle with a friction ring over tracks anyway, I wonder if that is what these pad eyes in combination with the folding pad eye on the toerail/bulwark could be used for. By all accounts the adjustable bridle is the favoured choice these days as it apparently gives more control? Not having the boat in front of me I can’t quite see the geometry to work out whether that would work on a 418 / 415 but it would be a lot cheaper and easier to do if it did https://www.bwsailing.com/bw/boat-reviews-jeanneau-349/" rel="nofollow - https://www.bwsailing.com/bw/boat-reviews-jeanneau-349/ ------------- Hanse 418 #64 EmBer. Hamble, UK |