Any survey suggestions?
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Topic: Any survey suggestions?
Posted By: MyBMW
Subject: Any survey suggestions?
Date Posted: 15 June 2025 at 16:51
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Greetings from sunny CA! Next week we will conduct a survey on a new 458 in San Diego #253. She has been in the water at least a year and a half, moved around to several shows and about 30hrs on the engine. Our own sea trial went well, noticed some dings to the deck, fiberglass, small flooring/upholstry marks. Taking this extra measure ahead of purchase to address any major underwater issues or commissioning errors. Any suggestions from other owners on where to focus would be hugely appreciated as we can imagine there are common themes with these over the years. Thank you in advance! Brent ------------- Jumeirah San Francisco (458 #253) |
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Posted By: Black Diamond
Date Posted: 15 June 2025 at 18:33
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A new boat that has only been in shows presents some unique areas to check: 1. The companionway (steps and sole) tend to see a lot of traffic. What is the arrangement from the seller for this? Restoring it to "like new" or "as is"? 2. If its not seen a lot of sailing, then you really want to check for leaks on the hatches, hull windows, and ventilators. 3. Check the bilge pumps for the height where the pump comes on, and that they work - period. Hanse has a tendency to undersize bilge pumps, so you might want to check the size as well. On a 458 I would think the main bilge should be 2000 or 2500GPH. 4. Check the bonding system. Hanse uses "marine brass" (not that I think there is such a thing) and it usually needs to be replaced after a few years with proper bronze, stainless or marlon. The bonding system can contribute to these problems and accelerate any replacements. Resistance between any two points in the system must not exceed one ohm, and if it does understand why. 5. Check the seacocks. Sorry. Hanse doesn't have one piece seacocks. Check the ball valves mounted on marlon thru hulls. Usually they are fine, and they claim to be CE rated, but its not a great setup and my feeling is that these can snap the thru hull if enough torque is applied. There is a checklist many of us have used with dealers and for our own acceptance items. If needed, ask. Lastly, make sure your "acceptance" from the dealer is formal. That you keep a running list of open items, and that its the agreed upon definition of "done". Put things on the list. Mark them done, etc.. ------------- Rick S/V Black Diamond Hanse 575 Build #192, Hull# 161 Newport, RI |
Posted By: Wayne's World
Date Posted: 15 June 2025 at 21:10
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Brent, Find and use a good surveyor. ------------- Wayne W Cruising, currently in the Pacific until the end of 2026. |
Posted By: Black Diamond
Date Posted: 15 June 2025 at 21:32
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It sounds like he has a surveyor lined up. That said, I think we all know there are surveyors and there are "surveyors". Some make a cursory pass at the boat and some do a nice, detailed, thorough job. If they don't do enough, remember that *YOU* pay the price. Things like running the engine under load and making sure the speed and RPMs are right. Doing an engine oil test and looking at the lab results. Looking for delamination in the glass not just on deck but in other critical areas. Before the surveyor shows up, ask to see what they do and what the report will look like. ------------- Rick S/V Black Diamond Hanse 575 Build #192, Hull# 161 Newport, RI |
Posted By: 32mike
Date Posted: 15 June 2025 at 22:35
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Check all the refrigeration and air conditioners. Those have been my weak spots. Also take a look at the deck caulking - mine hasn’t held up real well. Take a good look at the bottom paint - I only got about two years out of my factory paint. Examine the areas behind the aft cabins. There’s a lot of plumbing on port and we had a leak that needed fixing. The engine exhaust is in the starboard side where we had a chafing issue from the factory that required some extra chafe protection. Private message me if you have any questions. We’ve had ours for 5 years now. ------------- Mike S/V Dulces Sueños 458 #087 Tampa, FL |
Posted By: marsella
Date Posted: 16 June 2025 at 00:47
| I didnt have any issues with my new 458 at the time of delivery (and still dont have anything significant after 5 years), but regarding the factory aplied antifoiling that Mike mentioned, I got a big laugh from a local boatyard when I hauled the boat out in Caribbean, they basically said this is not an antifoiling to their standard, likely some environmentally super friendly stuff... I didnt wait and requested sanding and new antifoiling to be reapplied at that time (and every couple of years afterwards) |
Posted By: marsella
Date Posted: 16 June 2025 at 00:55
| BTW, I know those dealers in San Diego, they should take care of you well, I flew to their marina back in 2019 to have a look at new 458, as they had one on display at that time. I am in the North, SF bay area. Good luck! |
Posted By: Keakaka
Date Posted: 16 June 2025 at 02:08
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We have a 18 month old 460 (2023) and a previous new 388 (2019). Check all electrics- the standard Hanse AGM factory setup is not enough we spent US$10k to address this and now have 480 Ah Victron/AGM house batteries plus solar - works well. Check the engine and saildrive for fluid leaks - we had both water and oil leaks Check under the deck joint that the through bolts for cleats, safety posts and pushpit are into the alloy backing plates- some of our missed the plates. Check the anchor is big enough for your use - we had to upgrade two sizes When you have it out of the water consider installing a couple of spare thru hulls for watermaker and deckwash- the standard water tank is small for extended trips. Fuel and water gauges will probably not be accurate - try to get that resolved as it is a frustration. Try to get a free subscription to Sentinel - new boats have one for 2 years ex factory. quite useful if you are away from the marina- monitors bilge pump, batteries, shore power and has all the Manuals available electronically. These are all minor issues so you should have a great yacht ------------- This is not a rehearsal. Go for it. Kiakaha |
Posted By: MyBMW
Date Posted: 16 June 2025 at 15:34
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All the suggestions are greatly appreciated. We plan to move her up to SF Bay later in the summer If anyone knows a good captain to help my wife and I, please let us know. See you all out there on the water! Brent ------------- Jumeirah San Francisco (458 #253) |
Posted By: marsella
Date Posted: 16 June 2025 at 21:59
| Brent, there are a few professional skippers in this sailing school https://www.clubnautique.net/" rel="nofollow - https://www.clubnautique.net/ . They have offices both in Alameda and Sausalito. Get in touch with them, you can either hire a skipper or get their graduates to help you to move the boat. |
Posted By: Zephyr1
Date Posted: 18 June 2025 at 20:15
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Thank you Brent and et al. These comments are extremely useful. I am about to take possession of a new Hanse 458 next month in Newport, and I will use these items to ensure I have a comprehensive walk-thru. I look forward to being part of the 458 Forum going forward. ------------- Mark L. |
Posted By: MyBMW
Date Posted: 18 June 2025 at 20:22
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Hello Mark Congrats on your new 458, good choice! Question, out of curiosity: Do you have the hull number? been trying to estimate how many of us are out there. good luck with it all and let us know when you are in the Bay Area Cheers! Brent ------------- Jumeirah San Francisco (458 #253) |
Posted By: Zephyr1
Date Posted: 18 June 2025 at 20:43
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Thank you Brent! My hull number is 284. There were quite a few of us who ordered during Hanse "last call" in the Fall. #276 just left for Newport yesterday aboard a freighter....I just missed it! Best wishes, Mark ------------- Mark L. |
Posted By: Black Diamond
Date Posted: 18 June 2025 at 21:51
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I keep my boat at New England Boatworks and the ships from Hanse bound for Newport unload right outside our marina. Stop by and say hi if we
are there. I rode out to the boat (you are allowed to do it or join your dealers team in doing so) and
climbed the rope ladder up the side of the ship (about a 4-5 story building) and crawled all over the boat when it was on jackstands (even higher) on the deck of the ship. You
need to make sure there is oil in the engine, coolant, fuel, battery for the thrusters, etc.. Usually fine, but who wants to find out the hard way? As luck would have it we were being lowered into a 22kts of wind on the windward side of the ship. Thrusters might be needed. From
there you jump (literally) from the deck of the freighter to the deck
of your boat as its being lowered into the water. Bring a life jacket
just in case :-) The good news is that you can get pretty much anything done at NEB,
Bristol Marine, or Hinckley. If you are leaving the area, decide
whether things are better done where you will keep the boat or at the
above shops. Enjoy the experience. We did.  On the ship passing thru Newport. They actually offload in Portsmouth, about 5 miles North of Newport. (Usually)  In the straps on the freighter getting ready to be lowered. Quite a few differences from what we have now. The hull is white. The boom is standard. A few other things we chose to deal with here rather than in Greifswald.  As today: Black hull, bow protector for bridles and anchor chain (needed), roller furling boom and many other upgrades (like fresh water heads and a locally designed dinghy handling system). ------------- Rick S/V Black Diamond Hanse 575 Build #192, Hull# 161 Newport, RI |
Posted By: MyBMW
Date Posted: 18 June 2025 at 22:28
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Outstanding! like the additional windows in the hull and the black is beautiful Also, who did your bow protector? Want one for ourselves and like the look of yours. Maybe we can order one to be shipped Cheers ------------- Jumeirah San Francisco (458 #253) |
Posted By: Black Diamond
Date Posted: 18 June 2025 at 23:25
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The 575 windows were standard, but I do like the way they disappear into the black awlgrip hull! New England Boatworks made and mounted the bow protector as a winter project while it was on the hard. If you do it, make sure the steel is 4mm thick (at least) and be sure you have sufficient wrap-around to protect properly. Its worked well for us. If its arriving at our marina, you might be able to have them do the measurements while its there, make it after you leave, and then ship it. Never hurts to ask. ------------- Rick S/V Black Diamond Hanse 575 Build #192, Hull# 161 Newport, RI |