350 For Possible Circumnavigation
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Topic: 350 For Possible Circumnavigation
Posted By: Br00tus
Subject: 350 For Possible Circumnavigation
Date Posted: 09 October 2007 at 20:05
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Having worked out my budget I am contemplating purchasing a 350 (test sail this weekend) with a view to using it as follows: Weekends + Hols sailing around UK (odd trip across to France / Channel Islands) until Sept 08. Then full-time sailing in the Med until Nov 08. ARC crossing 08. Then possibly on to follow the world ARC Itinerary.
I was hoping to afford the 370 but this is not going to be possible with my planned schedule. I am chasing my dream here and welcome any responses. I have budget for all the Bluewater equipment like Watermaker, extra water capacity, windvane steering and battery charging solutions etc ... my main concern is the size of the 350 and the fact that traditionally people recommend a heavy displacement type vessel. Any advice or thoughts ? |
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Posted By: copain
Date Posted: 10 October 2007 at 10:39
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Hi Br00tus,
Very interrested in the result of your testsail on the 350 since we will have ours delivered in march 08.
Let us please know your findings.
Redards, Willem ------------- s/y Copain (Beneteau 281) from march 2008 Hanse 350 # 061 Visit my BLOG op http://www.wsv-haringvliet.nl/blog/maatje/ |
Posted By: Nereide
Date Posted: 10 October 2007 at 10:52
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i think this is the main show (dream) stopper. World ARC is open to monohulls with a minimum LOA of 38ft [11.58m]
http://www.worldcruising.com/ - http://www.worldcruising.com/
i myself am just considering the ARC atlantic on a H411, and still have many questions over the prep/installation of additional required equipment.
i though this could be of some interest anyhow, to think further on such a project.
http://www.yachting-world.com/yw/blog/20070907151821blog_elaine_bunting.html - http://www.yachting-world.com/yw/blog/20070907151821blog_elaine_bunting.html
Good Luck !
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Posted By: Br00tus
Date Posted: 10 October 2007 at 19:35
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Thanks for the link - usefull.
While I aim to 'loosely' follow the World ARC Itinerary I will (can) not officially join it being <38ft. I intend to use it only as a guide to ensure I follow the safest route at the safest time of year. I figure they have done a lot of research and have more experience than I. When working out the min / max average speeds between legs, the larger vessel size seems to be reflected. My main concern is the limitations of the 350 - especially size longterm and any thoughts you guys might have on the plan or the 350 in general. Am I completely crazy or is the 350 up to such a trip and the only limitations being my own? |
Posted By: bjoris
Date Posted: 10 October 2007 at 23:32
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It is category A - Ocean so technicaly it should be up to such a trip, but by the time beeing, I am sure nobody actualy has done this... so it is a difficult question to get an answer for at this time. I am sure Hanse and Judel & W dont make a boat in class A without beeing sure it has the nessesary dimensions to handel condions in this category. But in practial use you must say it is made not for this kind of use, with is WC in the front, large cockpit and so one. I am sure it can be used for a tripp like this, but I think I would have choosen something else, myself. I do not have journeys like that in mind when ordering my 350... |
Posted By: Alex Faber
Date Posted: 11 October 2007 at 08:30
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Br00tus,
The way the Hanses are constructed is so much better than the majority of production yachts that took successfully part in previous ARC's! A head in the front could be less comfortable, but numerous yachts circumnavigated the globe this way and it is more important that your cockpit drains quickly than its size. If you rig your yacht properly and equip it according the requirements, it is not a question if the Hanse is up to the job. You only have to answer yourself if you have enough knowledge and experience to do it. ------------- s/y eMotion (H430e #24) |
Posted By: Junker
Date Posted: 11 October 2007 at 08:56
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HI
I have crossed the north sea many times ( 20) in various conditions, and boats. ( from 30ft to 52ft)
This is short distances (200-250NM) and there is a lot of fishing/ oil activities, meaning there is always somone relativly close of you need assistance.
This is not the case if crossing the atlantic, and this will last for a long periode.
I would not have done the trip you are planning in a 350. ( at least a LOT of modification would be needed)
You should always plan for the worst case. I'm not thinking of the size, but more the general contruction and dimmensions, sails etc...
But when saying this, longer trips than what you are planning, many peoples have done before you, in much smaller boats.
Sorry if I sounds negative, but this is just my point of view.
For more input on what you need of the safety side, the internaional offshore regulations for racing is a good guide. You should aim for Cat 1 or Cat 0
You will find it here: http://www.isaf.com/specialregulations.php?PHPSESSID=3de2f1a63147fda6e3b320ff721551bc - http://www.isaf.com/specialregulations.php?PHPSESSID=3de2f1a63147fda6e3b320ff721551bc
rgds
Rune
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Posted By: Nereide
Date Posted: 11 October 2007 at 12:51
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there seems to be alot on interest on the subject, the article i inserted earlier has received an update, as attached.
http://www.yachting-world.com/yw/blog/20070910160509blog_elaine_bunting.html - http://www.yachting-world.com/yw/blog/20070910160509blog_elaine_bunting.html
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Posted By: Nereide
Date Posted: 11 October 2007 at 12:55
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and finally tips for the ARC.
http://captainjpslog.blogspot.com/ - http://captainjpslog.blogspot.com/
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Posted By: bjoris
Date Posted: 12 October 2007 at 10:17
I guess your comment is in general for this kind of boats, size and price? If not I am most interessted in what you find with the 350 that does not make it up to such a travell. For example, it has good balast, with 32% keel weight and a T-keel that give even more stabilty than traditionell keels... Just as an example...
Myself I think I would have choosen a heavier and therefor a slower boat, but not nessasary bigger boat... H-Rassy, Najad or boats like that... But then again it would be 20 years old for the same price...
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Junker wrote:Posted By: Br00tus
Date Posted: 17 October 2007 at 11:21
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Having done a test sail last weekend and spent a good number of hours discussing finer details - not to mention the last 10 months research! I am proud to announce I have just this morning signed a contract for a H350 Hull #44 for a December 07 slot - She will be Dark Grey with Light Grey waterline - Wo0ho0!
Expect a lot more posts from me! ------------- “Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans” Website: Http://yachtdoris.blogspot.com |
Posted By: bjoris
Date Posted: 17 October 2007 at 12:24
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Congratulations!
Nice to hear from others that has signed up for a 350. Ours is due in april, but that is our choise, it was possible with delivery this autum at that time, signed up 2. Sept.
When we signed up it was not possible to testsail, the boat beeing in Orust, Sweeden at Upna Varv. So I`d love to hear from your testsail... Any thing spesialy good or bad?
What other boats did you compare with? We had a closer look at, Delphia 33/37, Bavaria 34/38, Beneteau 343, Hanse 320, Dufour 325 and 365, Elan 343 Impression and Elan 340... I still think H350 is the best choise...
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Posted By: r schupak
Date Posted: 28 October 2007 at 12:59
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Brootus--I read your interests in long distance sailing--I am also setting up my vessel - a 2004 H341 - for long distance cruising. My intent is to do the Bermuda,Bahamas.Carribean thing from my Mamaroneck, New York base. We have already done 2 & 3 week coastal trips with forays out into the open Atlantic. We have always felt comfortable in the 341, & it seems like a very capable ocean cruiser,albeit we have not had it hundreds of miles offshore--yet. I suspect you will have no problems with the 350.(Incidently we are a family of 4) I could go on at great lengths about the preparations I'm doing but that would be too much right now for my 2 finger typing. Good luck & let us know how you are doing & what you are doing in terms of preparation Robert
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Posted By: Br00tus
Date Posted: 28 October 2007 at 21:15
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hi all ... bjoris - the only other contenders I had were the H370 (beyond my budget) and the dufour 365 Grand Large also a little expensive and not really suited to my needs. I am a little gutted to learn of the alternative H350 layout (see thread New layout - 2 cab) as this may suit my needs better than the standard layout I have signed a contract for - I will be calling Hanse tomorrow for more info.
Robert - In terms of preparation the major headaches I have ahead are Extra Fresh Water Storage (weight) and Supply (Water maker or not?). Electrical power generating solutions with deck space being limited for Solar Panels and limited stern space for wind generators and Wind Vane Steering. Supplies - Its tempting to throw everything in the unused aft port storage area - but this will likely affect the yachts balance and handling. The same applies for the bow as I have chosen 60m of 8mm chain with an 16Kg Delta as my main anchor - 100kg total - I'm hoping this will be ok. I will require storm sails and probably go for an asymetric furling sail to compliment the ST jib for light / downwind airs. I have still not decided on electronics and communications solutions or their placement. With only having had a test sail I am guessing I will have a much better idea after a few months sailing her in the UK. I would love to hear about your own preparations as I can use all the advise ppl have to offer - you can either PM me for my email or simply post here for others to benefit. I don't even have a name for her yet!.... ------------- “Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans” Website: Http://yachtdoris.blogspot.com |
Posted By: r schupak
Date Posted: 28 October 2007 at 23:33
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Brootus--So far I've got 3 anchors--A 35 lb CQR & a Fortress FX23 both stowed with rope & chain in the anchor locker (CQR on the bow roller) & a Delta 22 stowed below. I also have a 22lb yachtsman kedge type anchor that I wll probably store in the stern.
I just changed my house batteries to Lifeline AGM 31's this year--expensive but worth it.
I will probably mount solar panels this coming year--I plan to build just a simple but strong support over the aft pushpit, just high enough to clear the backstay, but I'm still designing that one.
I went with a Raymarine ST 1 wheelpilot after much debate. A lot of people said the internal ones were better but almost as many said the wheel pilot was going to be more than adequete for my sized boat (The 341 is ~12,000 lbs & the wheelpilot is good for vessels to 18,000 lbs)
Ultimately I decided on the wheel pilot because access under the cockpit on the 341 is difficult & would have taken up too much space in the aft lazarette where I will desperately need space. The motor on the wheel pilot is so easy to replace--about 30 seconds at the most & I hope to carry several spares.
Sails are a never ending topic--on the 341 I decided to go with a 3rd DEEP !!! reef rather than try to use a trisail--somthing I learned while racing & found to work better than a tri. I have a short luffed 130 & a 155
for the light air here in Long Island Sound & hope to be able to get a cruising spinnaker this year.
Stay in touch Robert
 PS--We carry extra H2O on deck in 5 gallon containers--2 on each side--very convenient !!
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Posted By: bjoris
Date Posted: 31 October 2007 at 23:05
Did you change your layout? For your use I assume that you have advantage of having the WC in the back and also a large room for gears and stuff... I guess you can do with to cabins? Goodluck with your preparations. Looking forward to hear your experience with the 350!
PS! I guess you know that for the autopilot in the new Hanses, also the 350 the motor is very easy to reach so there is no need for a wheelpilot for that reason...
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Posted By: gertha
Date Posted: 01 November 2007 at 22:08
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Hello,
I am taking my 370 on ARC in a couple of weeks, we did the rally portugal this summer, at this moment in time I think the sails are very important, we have sailed nearly all the time when many larger and better know names failed to perform, maybe after the ARC I will say different; but we have tri radial from new on main and jib plus genoa, 2 spinnys and 2 storm, all the big boys have played and worth every penny.
Electricity is the other big problem for long ocean sails, hind sight says I should have spent £ 3- £ 5 K on built in small diesel genny, what I have is 3 large solar on deck plus engine and petrol genny for back up. Looks like we will be running engine 2 hours a day on atlantic .
Both sails and electrics can be improved with Hanse and worth every penny.
Simon
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Posted By: Br00tus
Date Posted: 13 August 2008 at 20:55
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Hi all ...
I thought it best that I close my original post with a note saying that since the initial plans of setting sail in my Hanse 350, I am now underway.
The dream has become a reality.
For those interested in either the boat or its whereabouts etc. here is my website: http://yachtdoris.blogspot.com/ - http://yachtdoris.blogspot.com/
Br00tus.
------------- “Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans” Website: Http://yachtdoris.blogspot.com |
Posted By: Staui
Date Posted: 14 August 2008 at 09:41
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The very best of luck. I am sure a lot of us will keep an eye on your progress on your website. Happy sailing! ------------- "Malaika" 400 /#426 |
Posted By: Peter-Blake
Date Posted: 14 August 2008 at 11:15
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Good luck - i read on your blog that you started sailing end of 2007. And now this trip! My respect.
------------- Blake 370 
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