Bed modifications
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Topic: Bed modifications
Posted By: leemind
Subject: Bed modifications
Date Posted: 13 October 2007 at 20:06
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Personally I find the beds in our 461 absolutely rock hard. I was going to go with a memory foam topper, but at the Southampton Boat Show I saw some springy bed slats that you could cut to size. The only problem was they were quite expensive at £120 for a single bed (ouch!) Luckily talking to John Allison that evening, he suggested to try Ikea! Well, how does £12 grab you instead of £120!!! Here is a picture to illustrate - I'll report back if they make any difference! (Oh and I think they will help to ventilate the matteress as well)  ------------- Grand Cru Hanse 461#028 |
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Posted By: svrocinante
Date Posted: 13 October 2007 at 20:14
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Very Cool!
This is the closest thing I found online...
http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/70072828 - http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/70072828
I'll have to visit the store to see what they have...
Thanks for sharing,
Carlos ------------- you may not be able to control the wind, but you can adjust your sails http://www.myinternetdoorman.com - My Internet Doorman -The easiest way to keep porn out of your home...Guaranteed!™ |
Posted By: Johan Hackman
Date Posted: 13 October 2007 at 23:19
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I think IKEA is cool, but I went down the "expensive" road myself and had matresses tailor made, not only for the fore cabin (fore peak), but also the aft cabin. They are stuffed with latex and you never want to get out of bed in the morning.
Johan  -------------  http://www.johanhackman.se" rel="nofollow - http://www.johanhackman.se |
Posted By: Clivian
Date Posted: 14 October 2007 at 22:31
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The mattress on the 371 was not too bad but we decided we wanted a little more comfort.
We went for a fully sprung mattress - OK bit on the pricy side BUT OH SO COMFORTABLE.....
Talk about creature comforts!
Sue
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Posted By: Terry
Date Posted: 15 October 2007 at 09:51
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After spending a weekend on my new 430 .
I think i need to visit a chiropractor.!!!
Terry
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Posted By: Alain & Anne
Date Posted: 15 October 2007 at 17:03
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Hi Terry Very tough at first but improving after 6 weeks!!! The Ikea solution sounds great! ------------- UHAMBO 430e#004 White hull-teck deck-Yanmar 55hp-long range cruising OCC Our blog: www.uhambo.fr |
Posted By: Brad McMaster
Date Posted: 15 October 2007 at 17:38
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Oh no, Dave, i wish had of listened!! I went the expensive boat show route, i'll see if i can return them!!! What product is it at Ikea?? Can i order on line?? B ------------- GHOST - Hanse 470e - 058 http://www.sailblogs.com/member/ghost/ |
Posted By: Brad McMaster
Date Posted: 15 October 2007 at 17:40
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Sorry dave, one other questions, The venting holes in the base, did you do those too? B ------------- GHOST - Hanse 470e - 058 http://www.sailblogs.com/member/ghost/ |
Posted By: leemind
Date Posted: 16 October 2007 at 08:15
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To report back: Only had one night with the slats. Definitely some improvement though still not a patch on a fully sprung solution a la Johan! I think we'll see how it feels over the next few months! Yes, you can order on-line, at least in the UK. (That is how we got ours). It is: SULTAN LIARED 10072826 They are £13, not £12 as previously reported :-) As for the venting holes - they were as Hanse provided them. No mods from me. Incidently, I had actually thought about drilling a large hole in the base of the bed and putting a low speed 12v computer fan there just to keep some air circulating below the mattress, but I think these slats will do the job just as well. Oh, and to cut them I took a chop saw down to the dockside and did it there. Whole cutting operation took about 10 mins. Cheers D. ------------- Grand Cru Hanse 461#028 |
Posted By: 371-#235
Date Posted: 17 October 2007 at 21:20
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I installed the Froli sleep system under the cushions in the v-berth. Works very well - super comfortable and keeps it dry under the foam. Not as cheap as your solution above however purpose built for this task. Her is the North American distributer's web site (although the product is from Germany):
http://www.nickleatlantic.com/ - http://www.nickleatlantic.com/
Bob, 371-#235
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Posted By: Stella*Nova
Date Posted: 18 October 2007 at 09:35
 In Germany also available at Ikea for 20 Euros.
Is it easy to cut? Which tool did you use, just an ordinary saw? ------------- BR Ralf, Ex. 'a mare' H370 |
Posted By: leemind
Date Posted: 18 October 2007 at 10:43
yes, that is the one. Good to see Ikea don't conform to the Apple school of thought on pricing in £/€/$ -- one number for the lot (i.e. £20, €20 or $20!). In fact at todays FX rates that make the UK a bit of a bargin!  Yes very easy to cut, it is just plywood: "Oh, and to cut them I took a chop saw down to the dockside and did it there. Whole cutting operation took about 10 mins." I'm sure a decent handsaw and a workbench would take about the same ------------- Grand Cru Hanse 461#028 |
Posted By: hull # 120
Date Posted: 18 October 2007 at 19:00
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I purchased a tufted topper pad http://www.tuftedtopper.com/ - http://www.tuftedtopper.com/ for the large aft berth on my 371. I certainly softened things up some and generally improved comfort, but it is still somewhat tough on the back to sleep with the cushions provided by Hanse even with the topper. I had not seen any better options and I was thinking about buying another one of these for my V Berth as it did improve things somewhat, but the Froli system looks interesting. Bob, did it make a dramatic difference in comfort? How complicated was it to assemble and how long did it take to assemble?
Jon
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Posted By: 371-#235
Date Posted: 18 October 2007 at 21:09
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Hi Jon,
The Froli system definitely made a difference in comfort plus there is room for dialing in the firmness and whether you want a firmer part under your lumbar area, etc. Installing it was a 1 hour job.
Bob
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Posted By: silversailor
Date Posted: 19 October 2007 at 00:15
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I took a simple route and purchased a combo "egg crate" foam with a memory foam layer from Wal-Mart (under $20), cut it to match the V-Berth and covered it with a sheet. It has made a world of difference. I sliced it down the middle to make storage easy.
------------- Silversailor South Haven, MI USA S/V Legacy 2010 Andrews 28 |
Posted By: Brad McMaster
Date Posted: 22 October 2007 at 12:48
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I was one of the silly ones the purchased the £120 option at the boat shop and as a result of sheer laziness i didn;t return it and get the Ikea option (although i might for the aft cabins). However i installed it in the fwd cabin and wow what a difference, highly recommend this system or similar. Now this might be me trying to justify my "wasted" £96 !! but if i understand correctly the Ikea option is a single bed option, the expensive one is a double so you need two ikea ones. The point i'm making though is if you have a bed arrangement like me (470 fwd "V" berth style where the whole bottom half of the bed lifts for storage) then the on piece (more expensive) option might have a simple added benefit of suiting this style of lift. Although £96 worth of beer verse one handed storage access...that is a tough call!! ------------- GHOST - Hanse 470e - 058 http://www.sailblogs.com/member/ghost/ |
Posted By: landlocked
Date Posted: 02 November 2007 at 18:00
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We cut memory foam to size for each of our beds and put it on top of the existing mattresses. It makes it a little harder to access things underneath and it doesn't do anything for the ventilation, but it is oh so comfortable! Many guests have commented the beds are more comfortable than those in their homes. I'm very interested in other solutions that provide some air circulation as well but I don't think I will be allowed to remove the memory foam. ------------- "Kerkyra" 400e #042 |
Posted By: JofB
Date Posted: 02 November 2007 at 18:29
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We went for a 2" memory foam topper from Raskelf at the Southampton Boat Show last year for the main forward berth (i.e. ours!) and it is great. Really makes all the difference. Not cheap at something like £220 but oh so worth it for the extra comfort and absence of backache that used to occur regularly. Warmer in winter too. ------------- Jof 400e #31 - Grey Goose |
Posted By: silversailor
Date Posted: 04 November 2007 at 00:09
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In addition to the very inexpensive "topper" we added described in an earlier post, I just purchased the slats from IKEA which I'll add in the spring. The combination of some ventilation/spring below and the "topper" will be the perfect improvement.
------------- Silversailor South Haven, MI USA S/V Legacy 2010 Andrews 28 |
Posted By: Archer
Date Posted: 10 December 2007 at 11:14
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G'day,
After reading the various suggestions for improving beds, I decided to try a Froli Travel arrangement for the V-berth on Archer. A few issues arose:
1. There is no supplier in Australia. One company did offer to import it for me, but the importer had to purchase a large number of extra 'kits' just to supply a single one to me. I opted to purchase online from Nickel Atlantic in the USA - they proved efficient and reliable, with the package arriving at my doorstep in 10 days.
2. I took the package (1 basic bed + 1 expansion pack) with us this past weekend, and fitted it onto the V-berth base. I opted to fit the base units using the middle setting and ended up a bit short of elements. By now it was 11:30 pm, my wife was asleep in the companion way, and I decided it was prudent to sleep on what we had! It was not a comfortable night, exacerbated by a stiff southerly that sprung up and made Archer pitch heavily.
3. Come Saturday, I reset all the base units to the widest setting, and covered the bed base satisfactorily, although we could do with 2 more half sized units to use in the corners against the wardrobes. Saturday night was much improved, and I think we will persevere with this arrangement, and maybe try them in the after-berths.
One outcome caught us unawares though. The Hanse supplied mattress (in two halves) is cut to fit tightly against the sides of the boat, with chamfered edges to match the curves of the boat sides. The sides of the boat curve outwards, so as you raise the height of the mattress halves, a gap opens up between them. The Froli Travel system lifts the mattress by a few centimetres (which is great for ventillation), but we now have a small gap between the two sections - enough to slip your hand down inside.
To solve this, we are going to try getting a thin insert cut to fit the gap. The alternative is to pack the sides, pushing the two halves together, say with extra bed coverings. We tend to use just a sheet and doona cover, so this is not really a solution.
Given that Archer is kept in charter, we have test subjects other than ourselves from whom we can get a reaction. Currently we get a few grumbles about how hard the beds are, so it'll be interesting to see if there is a change in outlook.
------------- Archer - 342 #229 |
Posted By: Gregor
Date Posted: 02 March 2008 at 00:39
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Hi, I started to make some modifications on the bed in the back as well. I bought a memory foam mattress, sliced the current mattress 4 centimetres thinner, put on the foam mattress and cut it to the correct size. Some picture can be found on my http://www.uisge-beatha.eu/index.php?mact=News,cntnt01,detail,0&cntnt01articleid=35&cntnt01origid=15&cntnt01lang=nl_NL&cntnt01returnid=15 - site. It sure feels more comfortable. have to see what comes out if I stay aboard more time. sleep well, Gregor |
Posted By: Brad McMaster
Date Posted: 02 March 2008 at 10:49
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Wow Gregor that is a serious commitment to crew comfort and should be applauded!!
I have gone for a very simple option by adding dry mesh (google it) as a layer between the boat and the mattress. It has helped comfort, although i can;t imagine to the extent that your solution would, but also helps remove moisture. Can highly recommend it.
In the fwd cabin i went the bedding slats options which is great. Dave Leeming wrote on this thread last year.
Having said all this as i start to sleep in the aft cabins more regularly on longer passages. I might have to bug you some more Gregor to find out how and where you did it!!!
B
------------- GHOST - Hanse 470e - 058 http://www.sailblogs.com/member/ghost/ |
Posted By: Gregor
Date Posted: 02 March 2008 at 11:12
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Thanks Brad, your comment gave me a big smile!
If you want more info, don't hesitate to mail me. Gregor |
Posted By: movimiento
Date Posted: 02 March 2008 at 17:14
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Hello Brad and Gregor,
"Dry mesh", if I google this it seems to be a product for incontinent old people or to keep baby's dry. I wonder wich of the two you keep in your cabins :-). Do you have pictures of this product?
And this might be the solution for both. I just installed in the frontcabin a very comfortable system (so they promiss) that also keeps the matrass dry. It is about 4 cm high. Slept one night on it and until now I am happy. http://www.calypso-schlafsysteme.de - http://www.calypso-schlafsysteme.de
ps. After I posted this I saw the previous pages with posts, it looks like the froli system, only without the framework, looks like it is easier for the hatches.
 ------------- Hanse 430e #68 |
Posted By: Gregor
Date Posted: 02 March 2008 at 18:16
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Hi Movimento,
I'm more looking for a lady who also enjoys sailing  Have a look at http://www.marinebedding.com/dryMesh.php - Dry Mesh
I also looked at the system you talk about, I found it too expensive Since my mattresses are pretty hard, I doubt if it would help much. Gregor |
Posted By: rtchina
Date Posted: 15 May 2010 at 12:00
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Yes there is. It is the woven plastic which is sold to stop cups and plates sliding about. I have wooden floors at home and use it to stop the sofas from sliding backwards. ------------- 430e Ella Jane - Greece |
Posted By: silversailor
Date Posted: 16 May 2010 at 02:54
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We, too, found the V-Berth on our 370 was too hard and therefore uncomfortable. Looked at a number of possible solutions and opted for a simple one. Took an inexpensive egg-crate foam "mattress topper", cut it in two pieces that mirrored each of the V-Berth sections, than wrapped each in fleece (navy blue that matched the color of the V-Berth material). The cover is sewn on 2 of it's 3 sides and zippered on the 3rd. This provides a soft topping to the hard mattress, a very comfortable surface to sleep on, easy maintenance and low cost. After 2 seasons, it looks brand new and is still very comfortable.
------------- Silversailor South Haven, MI USA S/V Legacy 2010 Andrews 28 |
Posted By: seileren1
Date Posted: 16 May 2010 at 11:34
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The beds in our 430 was way to hard and gave little creature comfort. So I went with the IKEA route for the bed in fore cabin. Two spring bed slats and a top madress. The madress bought from IKEA and cut in two pieces which fit the shape of the bed. It has worked very well and gives a whole new experience for our backs :-D Cheers |
Posted By: Gordon Harrison
Date Posted: 17 May 2010 at 08:35
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We also have dry mesh to remove the condensation and raskelf topper Both work well. ------------- Gordon |