Baby stay / Check stays
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Topic: Baby stay / Check stays
Posted By: samba
Subject: Baby stay / Check stays
Date Posted: 14 February 2008 at 21:23
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Dear all,
I am thinking about putting a baby stay (for an extra jib and storm jib) and check stays / running back stays (to prevent pumping of the mast at sea) on my Hanse 411.
I am discussing this with a local Sparcraft dealer and I am curious if anyone else has any experience with these additional stays?
I will post the feedback from the sparcraft dealer later.
Cheers,
Michiel
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Posted By: Freo Doctor
Date Posted: 14 February 2008 at 23:00
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Hi Michiel,
I have the same problem on my new 430 and contacted Sparcraft through the Australian agent with their sugestion to attach a baby stay 1.5m above the top spreaders.
I have been using the self tacking jib sheet attached to the bow cleats as a interim measure and it works well howeaver only mininal tension can be applied.
The Sparcraft agent here implied that Hanse spars were built to a price not a quality standard to keep the boats price competetive indeed the first correspondence recieved from Sparcraft was that under no circumstances would they pay for any modifications
I intend to install a Dynema baby stay and block and tackle tensioning device opperated from the cockpit so as i can release it during a tack. For cruising the baby stay could be used to carry a hanked on storm jib or spinnaker staysail.
Hopefully this is helpfull and I look foward to your post.
thanks,
Rob
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Posted By: Alain & Anne
Date Posted: 15 February 2008 at 07:29
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Hi Guys, I have installed fittings for a forestay on our 430 Uhambo. (see picture). I have the deck fitting to be installed which is not very easy. The jib will work with the traveller when 105% genoa will installed on the furler. The stay will be in vectran-dyneema special. A pair of runners will comlete the set.  ------------- UHAMBO 430e#004 White hull-teck deck-Yanmar 55hp-long range cruising OCC Our blog: www.uhambo.fr |
Posted By: Alex Faber
Date Posted: 15 February 2008 at 08:15
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At the Düsseldorf boat show I asked the German Sparcraft dealer where to put the attachment for a cutter stay to attach a hanked on storm jib.
He advised to attach it just below the top spreaders. I intend to use Vectran rope attached to the bow cleats with a “tackle arrangement”. Interesting photo Alain! It looks that your cutter stay attachment is quite high. You also added one (or two) attachment point(s) above the fore stay. You are also not going to use the “spectacles” for your spinnaker/gennaker halyard(s)? Are you going to use a gennaker furler? ------------- s/y eMotion (H430e #24) |
Posted By: Johan Hackman
Date Posted: 15 February 2008 at 11:26
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A few issues ago there was an article in Practical Boat Owner about fitting a removable forestay for a storm jib. I recommend that article if you haven't read it.
I feel that the problem when the wind picks up is not that I don't have a third reef in the main but that the jib is too big. Reefing the jib is not a good option since it takes the shape out of the sail and the sheeting point gets in the wrong place. My sail maker has presented a solution where the removable forestay is attached as close as possible below the original forestay. The other end is attached to a fitting in the deck which is secured to the bulkhead between the anchor locker and the forepeak. Johan -------------  http://www.johanhackman.se" rel="nofollow - http://www.johanhackman.se |
Posted By: alettaenmarcel
Date Posted: 15 February 2008 at 18:50
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Johan
Do you have pictures of your removeble fore stay.
My question is is it a true deck construction or just on the deck while it is so close to the fore stay?
greetings Marcel
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Posted By: Johan Hackman
Date Posted: 15 February 2008 at 21:31
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Marcel, I didn't meant to imply that I have already got a removable forestay. I don't, but I am interested in maybe getting one.
If the deck fitting is aft of the anchor locker it's going to be quite far from the forestay which is a good thing because it means that the foretriangle is moved aft. It needs to be a through deck fitting because it has to be supported by the bulkhead. Johan ------------- http://www.johanhackman.se" rel="nofollow - http://www.johanhackman.se |
Posted By: samba
Date Posted: 20 February 2008 at 13:39
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Dear All,
Our local sparcraft dealer is installing the removable baby stay right now. The top will be installed at the second spreaders.
Also I will install removale runners. They said that this is mandatory when installing the baby stay.
They will also make some other modifications:
- seperate rail for the trysail
- they will isolate the back stay for our SSB
- install a different tensioner in the backstay.
When everything is installed I will post some pictures.
Cheers,
Michiel
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Posted By: samba
Date Posted: 28 February 2008 at 21:20
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Dear all,
Please find some pictures of the babystay that has been installed on our Hanse 411.
The runners are installed in the mast (just below the top spreaders) but the dyna-one lines have not been installed yet.
Kind regards,
Michiel
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Posted By: alettaenmarcel
Date Posted: 28 February 2008 at 21:29
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Hallo Michiel
Nice solution
But is the fore stay only fitted on the deck ore is there also a stay ore reinforcement below the deck to the hull?
It is a topic at this moment on the 400 part off this forum so it wil make somthing clear for others.
greetings Marcel
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Posted By: samba
Date Posted: 28 February 2008 at 21:39
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Marcel,
It is connected to a metal plate underneath the deck. Where it is connected the deck looks thicker then just beside. I haven't spoken to the sparecraft dealer about the result since I picked my boat up last saterday and he is on holiday right now. They still have to finish the runners.
I will make a picture of it and post it later.
Cheers,
Michiel
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Posted By: samba
Date Posted: 09 March 2008 at 17:44
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Here a picture of the connection below deck. It looks like that there is some re-enforcement below deck. I will check with the sparcraft dealer to hear why they made the connection like this.  |
Posted By: Wessel
Date Posted: 11 March 2008 at 21:01
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Hello Michiel,
As the babystay connection is just aft of the bulkhead of your anchor locker, it will be a very strong point. There is no danger of lifting the deck.
This is really a good construction.
Will you keep the babystay in position when not in use, or do you disconnect it and fix it at the side of the boat?
rgds Wessel
------------- Wessel Hanse 400 #423 |
Posted By: ernol
Date Posted: 12 March 2008 at 09:06
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Hi Michel,
It looks good, the place for the deck fitting just aft the bulkhead. The thicker part of the deck on your picture is balsawood laminatet in the deck. The shape of this gives a reinforcement to the deck but there is no metal plate.
Erno
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Posted By: samba
Date Posted: 12 March 2008 at 12:09
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Gents,
Thanks for the feedback.
My idea is to remove the baby stay when I don't need it. The same with the runners.
In preparation for our Atlanic crossing we will be making a few (longer) sailing trips in march and april, so we can test the new stays and the new sails (Genua 2 and Storm jib). I will make some pictures as well.
Cheers,
Michiel
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Posted By: panos
Date Posted: 26 March 2008 at 14:08
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hello Michiel,
Good job with your inner forestay. I also noticed in your rig photo that you use a removable sleeve around the rolled jib .Or I am looking to something else?
I would prefer to use a removable sleeve instead of a permanent protection attached to the clew and foot of the sail, but on my last boat it didn't work and I had to lower the genoa everytime after sailing.
Can you pls refer me to who made this sleeve or send some drawings photos etc so that I copy it? ------------- Panos Hanse 630e - selling her - |
Posted By: samba
Date Posted: 01 April 2008 at 17:06
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Hello,
Sorry for the late reply. I was away for a sailing trip the last 5 days.
I am pretty sure that the sleeve is also from North Sails, just like the sails.
It does take some effort to take down, but it does work.
I have just bought a new genua and I did put a UV strip in the sail. I will use the sleeve when I leave the boat for the rest of the week. When on a sailing trip I will not use it.
I will check this weekend to be sure that it is from North Sails.
Cheers,
Michiel
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Posted By: samba
Date Posted: 05 May 2008 at 20:02
Panos, North sails made the sleeve. I only have these picture. The snow was not from last weekend  . Let me know if you want specific pictures. The sleeve has 3 seperate line to tighten the sleeve (Blue all the way to the top, red 1/3 down and two white lines for the last 1/3) 
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