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Topic: new hanse 630e#035
Posted By: panos
Subject: new hanse 630e#035
Date Posted: 20 March 2008 at 13:48
My wife Nicole and I have just ordered a 630E for delivery in June 2008 , hull 035. The exact options we must specify until April 21  . The boat we will use to sail in the Med (shorthanded) and also in club racing. 
Any hints from owners forum on issues that we should consider ?  We would like to add a third pair of winches, but we dont know if there is enough free space nor if the deck is strong enough. Any suggestions are wellcomed. We also need a bimini top but I hate INOX tubes.
 
Thanks!Smile



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Posted By: Richard108
Date Posted: 20 March 2008 at 15:03
I have added winches to my 540.  See link for further information

forum_posts.asp?TID=1395&PID=13737#13737 - http://www.myhanse.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1395&PID=13737#13737

The 630 is very different to the 540 configuration and I have no idea about the construction of the 630 or how much work it would take to add winches.

I have added a lot of extra equipment to my 540.  You can see a list on the 540 forum at the following link. 

http://www.myhanse.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1409&KW=&PID=9496#9496 - http://www.myhanse.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1409&KW=&PID=9496#9496

Hope this is of some help.



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Regards Richard



("Moksha" 540 #115 delivered Sept 2007)

Pittwater, Sydney, Australia


Posted By: taduka
Date Posted: 21 March 2008 at 06:42
panos
congratulations on your choice! if you plan to be around Malta drop me an email!

shawn


Posted By: panos
Date Posted: 22 March 2008 at 18:40
For my new boat (her name to be MMBW Nicole) I am considering selecting a 4 to 14 knots 105%  medium-light jib (to be used mostly while racing), a 12 to 20+ (selftacking ) 95% jib for everyday use and while racing in windy conditions, a 3 reef offshore main and one medium-light gennaker for up to 20 knots of wind. My prefered supplier is North sails ,3DL with tafeta backing for main and 95% spade and just 3DL for the 105%. Does anyone has experiance with 3DL sails on a big boat as mine. Until now I only had these sails in my previous boat (first 36.7) used only for racing.
 
 
Panos
 
Lernea Hydra (first 41S5 -1992) for sale
GANT-Lernea Hydra II (first 36.7) sold
MMBW Nicole (Hanse 630e, June 2008)


Posted By: panos
Date Posted: 22 March 2008 at 18:46

hello Shawn,

Thank U for the invitation. Malta is in our plans, but not for this summer as the boat will be new and we prefer to sail near home waters first. Certainly I will e-mail you before planning a crossing to Malta. I hear from friends that visited, it is beautiful.

Panos
 
PS. I hope Hanse to keep the schedule and deliver our boat in June.


Posted By: Rubato
Date Posted: 30 March 2008 at 23:25
Panos,
I read with interest your plans for your sail inventory. I realize that a boat the size of the 630 is quite different than my 400 although being a Hanse I'm sure they have some similar characteristics. As such, my experience is that on the 400 a 108% maxi jib starts being effective around 7-8 knots of breeze. Below that we aren't the least bit competitive with the rest of the fleet. I'm now looking at getting a 135% as well to help in that low range. Perhaps in your sailing area the breeze will rarely get that low but here on the west coast of Canada it is unfortunately in that range all too often.
 
Cheers, Steve


Posted By: Richard108
Date Posted: 31 March 2008 at 09:01

Hi Panos

I have a 108% Jib and can fully recommend it.  I was interested in getting also a larger jib about 135% for light airs but my sail maker said that I would not be able to lift it and it would be a problem to change to it. 

I also have heavy weather self taking jib about 87% (no vertical battens) for the times when the wind gets up.  I have used this jib in 35 knots and it was great.  To me a 105% and a 95% are a bit close but of course my use is very different to yours. 

I also have a storm jib (on its own removable furler) and am about to order a cruising Gennaker also on a furler that will go on a retractable bowsprit. 

This gives me the following headsail option
23m2 (storm Jib)
47m2 (heavy self taker)
72m2 (108% jib)
150m2 (Gennaker)

Which seemed like a good range of sails to me. 

I looked at Doyle, North and Quantum laminate sails and choose Quantum sails as it appeared the quality of sail was similar to 3DL sails at much lower cost.  The Quantum sails I got had both Carbon and a fibre they call Technora which seemed to be a better mix than what Norths could offer me.



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Regards Richard



("Moksha" 540 #115 delivered Sept 2007)

Pittwater, Sydney, Australia


Posted By: panos
Date Posted: 01 April 2008 at 21:24
Originally posted by Rubato Rubato wrote:

Panos,
I read with interest your plans for your sail inventory. I realize that a boat the size of the 630 is quite different than my 400 although being a Hanse I'm sure they have some similar characteristics. As such, my experience is that on the 400 a 108% maxi jib starts being effective around 7-8 knots of breeze. Below that we aren't the least bit competitive with the rest of the fleet. I'm now looking at getting a 135% as well to help in that low range. Perhaps in your sailing area the breeze will rarely get that low but here on the west coast of Canada it is unfortunately in that range all too often.
 
Cheers, Steve
 
Dear Steve,
 
I agree, but also the certificate with a 135% genoa will reflect the competitiveness and get a bigger penalty and I will need 15 persons on the rail = 25 persons team to keep the sail!! No thanks, I used to race a small boat for 10 years (a First 41s5 and First 36.7 later) and a had a 12 persons team , so that we could find 7 available to race. This is the reason I sold the boat and said that I will race for fun only. If there is not enough wind to win we will lose , and if we are not having fun, we will DNF.


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Panos

Hanse 630e - selling her -


Posted By: panos
Date Posted: 01 April 2008 at 23:54
Hi Richard,
 
I am already in Germany and tomorow I will visit Hanse. I have a full page of questions. Now I think I have a new one about your retractable bowsprit. I think installing one is a great idea, but I left it for after I receive the boat. I wellcome all ideas about installing one. Shipman boats, which look similar to ours have one, but the delivery time was 2 years, not to mention the 50% higher price.
Did you ever try the furling storm jib. My sailmaker told me that the jibs and code zero sails on their own furling gear (that can be hoisted rolled-up) take a lot of space in the boat and should be kept hoisted while sailing, even when not in use, so I think I must go for  gennakers (g1 and g2) whith a sleeve (snuffer as North is calling it) and a normal storm-jib with old fashions hooks to attach to a removable inner forestay. But I am open to all those issues since easy shorthanded sailing is very important for us.
By the way, because of the strong Euro, North sails are very price competitive being imported from America.


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Panos

Hanse 630e - selling her -


Posted By: Richard108
Date Posted: 03 April 2008 at 22:02
Hi Panos

About the Bow Thruster.  I will respond about the sails separately.

Here are some pictures of the bow Thruster. 

From what I hear the Max Power ones are the best. 

It has worked well for me, except no electrical equipment is going to like moisture or salt water like I had in my sail locker.  I had water coming in from my anchor locker through the holes drilled for the electrical connection to my windlass.  I have therefore chosen to move as much of the electrical parts of the bow thruster into a waterproof see through box to protect the electronic parts as much as possible.

Also there appears to be a problem of sheets or people standing on the control toggle in the cockpit and breaking it, so be careful where you put it and it may need to be protected.

















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Regards Richard



("Moksha" 540 #115 delivered Sept 2007)

Pittwater, Sydney, Australia


Posted By: Richard108
Date Posted: 04 April 2008 at 10:19

Hi Panos

About the Sails. 

I have a sail locker in the front of my 540 and there is heaps of room for sail storage.  I am unsure if you have chosen this configuration in your 630, but to me it makes lots of sense.

The storm jib fits on its furler in a relative small bag and is no problem to store.  Having the storm jib on a furler I think makes things much easier when the wind gets up.  I can have the storm jib up well before needed and just unfurl it from the cockpit when needed or put it away if needed.  Having to hank on a sail in strong winds in a confused sea when I could be unfurling my storm jib from the cockpit seems to be not as good an option.

My storm jib attaches to a 2 to 1 halyard / forestay in Dyneema or something like that (i.e. not a wire forestay).  I can use the Halyard as a forestay when I do not have my storm jib up and it is easy to store and apparently as strong as or stronger than a wire inner forestay.


I do not understand why you would need to kept the furling storm jib or Gennaker hoisted while sailing.  Often I will but I do not see the need to.

I have not got my Gennaker yet so I can not comment on storage size.  I see having a gennaker on a furler as a big advantage.  During a days sailing I could use it many times and furl it in between very simply from the cockpit.  Having it in a snuffer that requires more work means it is less likely to be used as often.








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Regards Richard



("Moksha" 540 #115 delivered Sept 2007)

Pittwater, Sydney, Australia


Posted By: panos
Date Posted: 09 April 2008 at 23:23
Hi all,
 
Today I finalized the details of our 630e #035 with Hanse.
This is what I ordered from Hanse.
 
colored hull 630e : color = STARS AND STRIPES (light blue)
waterline : white
deck :white
upholstery : leather porto-fino cream
keel=performance
options :
1)gelcoat colored hull as above
2)two electric secondary winches AEST 54 (instead of manual ones)
3)two carbon steering wheels
4)retractable mooring winch 24V/1000w
5)Maxpower VIP 150 Bow Thruster 24V
6)electrical deck wash pump in anchor locker
7)two Tecma electric toilets and holding tanks in guest  cabins
   (is standard in owners cabin)
8)Air conditioning 230V , 38000 BTU
9)Indel inox fridge in cockpit
10) 3000w inverter
11)sound insulated PANDA 10.2 KW generator
12)Electric-hydraulic gangway retractable in transom
13)DESSALATOR watermaker Duo (24V/230V) 60lt/hour
14)SIMRAD electronic pack II (GB40 +autopilot+ VHF + Radar + instruments)
15)AIS SIMRAD transponder class B
16)Remote commander for SIMRAD
17)combi-antenna  (G3 phone+ VHF + TV + radio)
18)flat screen TV LCD retractable in saloon
19)dishwasher
20)washing machine in hostess cabin
21)layout : A4,B4,C3L,B2  as individual Hanse selections
22)CARBON MAST AND BOOM
23)Inner forestay with tensioner
24)Gennaker pack
25)Inox anchor chain instead of standard one
26)outside lights package (underwater + deck floor + mast)
27)GORI 3 blade prop
 
A long list but I still have work to do. I intend to order from other supplier (Rados) following :
a)a good stereo system
b)fishfinder
c)satellite TV antenna
d)G3 - GSM antenna booster and INTERNET/mob. phone installation
e)front looking mast-top fixed camera
f)gas leak alarm/fire alarm/intruder alarm -
 
Not to mention movable equipment : sails,safety,kitchen utemsils,bedsheets......  
 
A full time job until takeover
 
All help to select the items a to f) is highly appreciated since I have no experience. Never had them in a boat before.
 
 
 
 


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Panos

Hanse 630e - selling her -


Posted By: Clivian
Date Posted: 09 April 2008 at 23:35
Just all sounds wonderful - and a dishwasher!!!
 
Sue Wink


Posted By: panos
Date Posted: 10 April 2008 at 00:17

Hi,

 
What you mean? Of course a dishwasher Wink. I am the one that does the dishes.


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Panos

Hanse 630e - selling her -


Posted By: Peter-Blake
Date Posted: 10 April 2008 at 05:40
I would recommend some smoke detector too, beside the gasdetector.


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Blake 370


Posted By: tbjerrehuus
Date Posted: 10 April 2008 at 07:26

Dear Panos

I only have too comments for you.

 

Like you I chose two Tecma electric toilets in the guest cabins. I connected the toilets to the fresh water tank because sea water in the toilets often makes an unpleasant smell in the summer time.

The problem is that the electric toilets use a lot of fresh water (and electricity).

Today I would install a sea cock, so I could choose between fresh and salt water for my toilets.

 

In the cabins Hanse Yard has installed Halogen spots 28V (2007). These spots are almost impossible to get. I have found a German web shop that can get them in 3 weeks. If Hanse still uses 28 V Halogen, make them change to 24V or 12 V.

 

Congratulations with your new boat.

Torben Bjerrehuus

Diva,

Hanse 540

Copenhagen



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Torben Bjerrehuus


Posted By: Abstinenz
Date Posted: 10 April 2008 at 10:03
Hi Panos.
Congrats to your new tallship.

We would delete item no. 18 (flatscreen TV) and install a beer draughtmaster system instead. TV makes people passive and depressive but the draugthmaster makes people talk and feel alive Wink 

/Steen & Anne


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Hanse 342#436


Posted By: panos
Date Posted: 10 April 2008 at 10:37
Thank U all for your suggestions.
 
The TV is only for rainy days. The beer will be stored in the cockpit fridge, which was a last minute additionBig%20smile.
A fire and a smoke detector will be installed, but I have not decided yet where (and how many are needed). Galley,engine room and possibly cabins.
I have to check the toilet flushing circuit. Thanks, I didn't even think of fresh water. Unfortunately I will have 4 holding tanks (including the head in the utility room).
I am also checking for a system which automatically  sends to preprogrammed mobile phones  SMS's with the boat condition. (position,batteries,alarms etc). I heard of this system but never heard of someone using it or having it in his/hers boat. This system could use the permanent G3/GSM mobile phone. Any ideas ?
I am also looking for a tent or smoothing similar for the cockpit that I can remove easily. The bimini top I don't like at all- all those ugly inox pipes. But I like also the shadow Confused.


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Panos

Hanse 630e - selling her -


Posted By: Richard108
Date Posted: 12 April 2008 at 15:11

Hi Panos

A few comments
1.  Check the size of your holding tanks for the toilets.  In the 540 they are small and soon fill up.  I have added another holding tank and had he other tanks run into this larger one if needed.  It is easy to fill up one of the holding tanks and have the other ones still mostly empty.

2.   It worried me that the electrical deck wash pump in anchor locker could be left on and fill the boat with water.  The on switch for the deck wash in the 540 is in the saloon and you do not necessarily hear the pump running or worse still you might be leaving the boat.  I have added a timer cur out switch so the pump funs for a limited amount of time until I push the button again in the anchor locker.  It is also easy to run the pump accidently with the tap closed and end up burning out the pump.

3.    I have only cursed my electric winches as they give my crew no feel for the tension that is on the line.  It is easy to over tension and start to break things.  Next time I will be having all manual (large) winches.

4.   If it was me, I would prefer all my winches to be larger the 54's if I as getting a 630, otherwise some of the crew at least will struggle with the winches if manually used.

5.   You probably need more power outlets.  I added an extra one to the saloon so that I had one on each side of the saloon and one more in the main cabin.

6.   Ericsson makes what they call a wireless voice and data gateway (W25) that allows use of a G3 phone and internet connection.  This gateway allows using your G3 phone and data connection at the same time and also allows you to use a wireless internet connection with one or more laptops.  Works well for me.
http://www.ericssonw25.com/index.html - http://www.ericssonw25.com/index.html

7.  The booster for the mast head aerial for my G3 phone and data connection was the CYFREC-819.  This booster gives me a connection when I would otherwise not had one.

http://www.quantel.co.nz/new.html - http://www.quantel.co.nz/new.html

8.  From what I could figure the interphase SE 200 is the best forward facing sonar (fish finder).  Have not used it much yet
http://www.interphase-tech.com/SE-200.htm - http://www.interphase-tech.com/SE-200.htm

http://www.interphase-tech.com/SE-200.htm -



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Regards Richard



("Moksha" 540 #115 delivered Sept 2007)

Pittwater, Sydney, Australia


Posted By: panos
Date Posted: 13 April 2008 at 17:53
Hello Richard,
 
I will certainly add a timer to the deck pump. Are you sure there is no deck switch to control this pump, which by mistake is always on?
The primary winches in the 630 are size 65 ! I sailed a lot on an Amel super Maramu which has electric winches. We didn't have any problems of any sort with them. I wish we had a captive winch to control the main though.
I checked the Ericsson W25 and this is what we need.Big%20smile
I heard about the Interphase but since I had a bad experience with another FLS I think I will wait until I read some reports from people that used them for many years.


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Panos

Hanse 630e - selling her -


Posted By: Richard108
Date Posted: 13 April 2008 at 23:13

Hello Panos

On the factory fitted extra deck wash on the 540 we only had a on off switch at the electrical board at the Nav table.

Be careful which sim card provider you use in your Ericson W25.   Some can providers sim cards will work only on data and not on voice.  In Australia we only have currently one sim card provider than has data and voice on the same card.

I have a thing about what I think are small winches on the Hanse yachts.  To me they all seem too small.  The sails on the 630 are a lot bigger than a 540 and the Amel.   With the boat the size of the 630 I personally would want to be able to handle the sails comfortably using manual winches in all conditions.  If it was my 630 I would be getting something like 72's for my 105% jib winches. 

For both the main and the 105% jib used manually 65 winches would mean that my daughter (19 years old) and partner would be able to use them manually without hurting themselves in most conditions.  If I had a choice I would have had 65 winches for both my main and secondary winches on my 540.  My partner hurt herself using the 54 winches on my main manually while racing in light air (less than 10 knots)

I have 65 winches for my 105% jib (69
m2) and you will have 54 electric winches for a 105% jib (96 m2).  I do not understand the logic in having undersized winches that are electric.

Listed below is a simple comparison of sail sizes I did as I was interested and I thought it might help you.



 

540

630

Amel Super Maramu (ketch)

LOA

16.08 m

19 m

16 m

Draft

2.8 m

2.95 m

2.05 m

Main

85 m2

118 m2

35 m2

Mizzen Main

-

-

19 m2

Self tacking jib

58 m2

81 m2

-

105% Jib / Jib

69 m2

96 m2

65 m2 (jib)

Total Main/s and 105% Jib (includes Mizzen main on Amel)

155 m2

214.6 m2

119 m2

Gennaker / Ballooner

195 m2

286 m2

68 m2






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Regards Richard



("Moksha" 540 #115 delivered Sept 2007)

Pittwater, Sydney, Australia


Posted By: Athina Captain
Date Posted: 27 April 2008 at 17:31
I would not get any electronics from Simrad and then get everything from Raymarine. That would allow you to also connect a satellite system, fishfinder, AIS, VHF, a forward camera and even have your satellite TV or DVD on your screen when on a long passage so as to reduce the long hours. It's an incredible system. Have a look at the Raymarne.com web page.


Posted By: Athina Captain
Date Posted: 27 April 2008 at 17:36
As for sails, the Quantum sails are very good. Quantum have a main sail and self taking jib that is made specifically for the 630 and quite a few boats have it. I highly recommend it to anyone with a 630. the one we have has over a year and it still looks like new.

In regards to the winches, I have to admit that they are a bit small, but can still live with them. Right on the limit, but OK.


Posted By: panos
Date Posted: 02 May 2008 at 20:39
Hi Athina Captain,
Are you racing the 630 ?
Me I already ordered 3DL sails (not a full set yet).
 
 


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Panos

Hanse 630e - selling her -


Posted By: panos
Date Posted: 03 May 2008 at 21:56
Hi,
I had Raymarine instruments on both my old boats. They are user friendly and tough. Unfortunately they are not accurate. The wind sensor and the compass sensor are primitive.
As for the long passages I love them and I have the perfect solution : I setup a guard zone on the radar (I had a very small Furuno radar on Lernea Hydra) and sleep for 10-15 min's then wake up by myself, take a good look, and sleep again- on deck of course. It sounds dangerous, but I got so used with it, that I am sensitive to even minor changes of wind or waves even asleep. Actually I am not 100% asleep I guess.


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Panos

Hanse 630e - selling her -


Posted By: ZENYACHT
Date Posted: 09 June 2008 at 03:55
Dear Richard

It is a common belive that 540 winches are clearly undersized.

The 531 had the right size.

Fair winds

jose


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ZENCAP


Posted By: Dimitris
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 18:17
Gia sou Pano!
 
I just entered the forum. Wink I am happy to know that more Greeks enter the world of Hanse.... I have mine, a 540, Agnosto since December of this year.
 
I write in English rather than Greeklish, being polite to the participants of this forum.
 
If you need any hints or may be to exchange views ask my mobile from Mr. Alexiadis.
 
Regarding the Bimini I my self enjoy the style of the deck as you do. Since you have been envolved many years in racing I suppose the bimini is not good for you either...order a tent stretched on the stays (tsadiri!).....its what I have done.
 
take care 


Posted By: panos
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 19:59
Hi,
 
I am sending you my phone by private message.
 


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Panos

Hanse 630e - selling her -


Posted By: panos
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 20:44
Hi all,
Today I received semiofficial notice that my boat will be ready for rigging during the week ending 4 July or the next one. They already put the hull and deck together. I even know the hull IDSmile. I will visit Hanse Friday 20th of June.
Today I also paid for the boatCry.Hanse wouldn't issue the invoice unless I paid the balance. I need the invoice now to register the boat which takes a couple of weeks. Technically the unfinished boat is mine- I have the invoice!!!
 


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Panos

Hanse 630e - selling her -


Posted By: ZENYACHT
Date Posted: 12 June 2008 at 01:23
Dear Panos an other hanse owners

Panos Congratulations the 630 is a beauty, and sails fast with good sails.averaging near 10 knots is easy in a passage with good wind.

Regarding propellers

1.- Gori two blade for racers and costal sailors. I completely agree. The GORI race two blade is a good propeller. How ever a two blade is only advisable in a saildrive. Will probably produce too much vibration on a shaft (531,540 and 630)

2- Sailors who need to motor fast and eficiently fixed prop four blade. In my opinion,,,,. I totally disagree.

First having a hanse with fixed prop is like buying a ferrari and wear cheap chinese tyres. I will never wear a fixed prop on my 531.

Four blades have LESS efficiency than two or three blades. The reason is interblade interference. despite the evident at firts look..... the two blade is the more efficient prop. Three blades are less eficient ( about 5% less) but run smoother.

I'm talking about props for sailyachts..... not fast motor boats, that is another issue.

Some folding or feathering propellers exhibit good eficiency , as good as a fixed one. One example is the BRUNTONS AUTOPROP. the Other can be a FLEX O FOLD.

The AUTOPROP is a difficult propeller so I 'm curious about the FLEX O FOLD that on papers can be a good option .

I hope somebody will try this prop and comment his feedback here.

Best Regards

Jose




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ZENCAP


Posted By: Athina Captain
Date Posted: 12 June 2008 at 20:02
We have the Gori folding three prop and it works just fine. At 1,700 revs we use 10 L/H and an average speed of 8.5 knots. Not bad for a folding prop. Once closed, it's like we don't even have it. Don't know about the other props, but are more than happy with the one on the boat.

Now the only difficult part is getting the main sail down. Not an easy task if less than three on board.


Posted By: panos
Date Posted: 22 June 2008 at 16:38
Hi,
 
As scheduled I visited Hanse on the 19th and 20th of June. Our boat is almost ready but since almost all woodwork inside was covered for protection, it actually looked a mess. I took some pictures but mainly I took a good look to two other 630's under construction.
The electrics and plumbing are so complicated that it is a wast of time to try to learn them by hard. A as fitted manual is of imperative importance. I was told that the boat has 500+ Kg of cablesExclamation.
Hanse plans to hand over the yacht to the dealer on the 1st of July and rigging can start at about the 7th. North will deliver the sails on the 5th of July, so it seems that we will be able to sail the boat at about July 20th.Big%20smile
I will post some pictures soon.


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Panos

Hanse 630e - selling her -


Posted By: les40
Date Posted: 23 June 2008 at 07:05
hi panos,
hope all will be smooth sailing for you. i had some problems(still) but they are minor comapred to the enjoyment i have gotten from myboat.
 
cheers
leslie


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TODAK 2



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