new hanse 400
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Topic: new hanse 400
Posted By: ernol
Subject: new hanse 400
Date Posted: 21 July 2008 at 19:53
On this link you can see drawnings of the new Hanse 400. You can choose between one or to wheels. http://www.havna.com/wip4/detail.epl?id=262188&cat=5863 - http://www.havna.com/wip4/detail.epl?id=262188&cat=5863
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Posted By: mcrisp2
Date Posted: 22 July 2008 at 11:04
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Hi Ernol,
have just booked a production slot for Sept this year and am intensley interested in the changes and options available/not available on the new model.
Is there an English language version of the link - or asummary of the changes elsewhere ?
Thanks Mike
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Posted By: lobstar
Date Posted: 22 July 2008 at 22:32
| Mike, the new model will go into production at October 2008 (if there are no delays in the planning). At least so I am told... My boat is delivered in three weeks and I was not aware at moment of ordering of new model coming... It seems that there will be an open transom, one very large or two steering wheels, no changes to the hull, white kitchen blade (keukenblad) and different wood for floor (according to dealer info). If the sketch above is correct then there are additional hatches and 'window' in the hull... |
Posted By: mcrisp2
Date Posted: 23 July 2008 at 02:44
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Thanks Lobstar,
my boat apparantly will go into production in Sept #508 for delivery to Thailand October.
It was my understanding it was to be the new model, however not sure about the open stern - don't want the twin wheels as I asume they would have to go to chain link steering (like the 430) for the twin wheels and I like and am used to the direct rod steering which I feel is better.
Cheers,
Mike C.
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Posted By: mcrisp2
Date Posted: 24 July 2008 at 09:11
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More Information on the nrew model
1. Twin Wheel Option
2. Open stern
3. New Windows
4. Hull Window amidships
5. Furler under the deck in the achor locker
6. No mainsheet traveller on the cabin top (may be an option)
At least two have been built - have photo's and will upload when I find out how to.
Cheers,
Mike C.
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Posted By: lobstar
Date Posted: 24 July 2008 at 11:52
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Hi Mike, I am really curious to see the pics... When did the new type go into production? And when was the last 'old' type produced..? Bye, R. |
Posted By: Rubato
Date Posted: 24 July 2008 at 16:43
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No traveller on the cabin top? does this mean a 430 style non-traveller for the sheeting system or does it mean cockpit traveller (unlikely). Open transom? already had a fairly open transom but I'm guessing this is more like the 430 which means less storage space.... also you can only sit on the side. My youngest daughter uses the current stern seating section to have better view while driving. Would have to get her a step ladder for the new model :)
Under deck furler would be nice, wouldn't have to keep removing it for racing... :))
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Posted By: mcrisp2
Date Posted: 25 July 2008 at 06:16
These are some pictures of the new model -
 Furler under the deck
 Dual Steering
 No Traveller on the cooachhouse
 New Windows
 Single Steering
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Posted By: Peter-Blake
Date Posted: 25 July 2008 at 08:54
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Thanks for the fotos.
At first it does not seem to be very diffrent to the "old" model, eycept the open cockpit.
But some things i am wondering about.
The windows opening to the outside: I always loved to have this on my boat in the harbour so i could open it while it is raining, but not while sailing. It is really dangerous if you leave it open while sailing and a sheet will catch the window while sailing.
No traveller: no good solution = saving money on the wrong position.
position (angled to the middle) of the halyard stoppers: This is nice if you only use the winches on the roof while having a sprayhood. But it does not work if you want to use the winches at the end of the cockpit. If you only have a selftacker and the mainsail without german sheeting system, the winches at the end of the cockpit will be absoultely useless. On our 370 we always use these winches for the sheets! So this new solution is no good solution.
windows to the after cabin from cockpit: great ------------- Blake 370 
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Posted By: Stria
Date Posted: 28 July 2008 at 13:18
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And only two shrouds? (vs three?) To be frank, I much prefer the older version (mine ;-)) Stria |
Posted By: Terry
Date Posted: 28 July 2008 at 14:20
I dont get it:can only be money.
I prefer the 430e,(mine!!)
Terry
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Posted By: Balticcruiser
Date Posted: 28 July 2008 at 15:51
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Don't agree with you... maybe because I haven't already invested in an older design :-) Myself, I really didn't like the 2007 modell with the strange combination of old and new styling in windows, but this new design is a great step forward. Two shrouds down to deck in a two spreader rig is normally a more costly and less heavy design, indeed an improvement. Furler below deck is excellent. Makes it much easier to climb onboard for us mooring with the bow to the shore. Looks nicer too. The removed mainsheet traveller on the other hand is a stupid cost saving measure, maybe one can hope that the cockpit traveller option will be offered too. One or two wheels? Guess it depends on the size of the wheels. I personally found even the 1400mm wheel on the old model to be a little bit too small, however the picture indicates a slightly larger wheel maybe 1500mm given the cut out in the cockpit floor. Is there a hull portlight in the aft cabins too? It difficult to tell but it apperas so from one of the pictures. The interior re-design is still not revealed more than the initial drawings. Anyone who has any news on the layout? Any real pictures? /Balti |
Posted By: Stria
Date Posted: 29 July 2008 at 09:08
Why is it more costly? Please elaborate. Furler below deck is excellent. Makes it much easier to climb onboard for us mooring with the stern to shore. True ashore. But furlers are prone to jamming, and I would not like to fight against a jammed furler in the anchor locker while sailing. In my opinion the advantages (i.e.: moderately reduced windage) do not overcome the disadvantages. But again, maybe it's just because I have invested in an older model ;-) |
Balticcruiser wrote:Posted By: Balticcruiser
Date Posted: 29 July 2008 at 13:46
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I guess I've been fooled by a Seldén sales rep. All Seldén two spreader masts I've seen use this design.
The weight reduction is not going to be considerable given that the same mast profile is used. More important is maybe that there will be less wear and tear on the middle shrouds not having to bend and pass through the lower spreader. It will also be easier to trim the mast with only two shrouds to adjust on deck level (after the initial rigging has been done the middle shroud will be fixed in length).
I have had the furler below deck for more than 10 years now and did experience some jamming initially. However, after realising that it only takes one hand on the control line to limit the speed of the drum when setting sail, this has never happend again. The jamming I had was due to control line not rolling up evenly when the line was left with some slack and the drum was revolving fast.
/Balti
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Posted By: JofB
Date Posted: 30 July 2008 at 18:16
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Very interesting to see how it is being developed but I must say that I remain happy(ier) with my (original) version.
Poor points (IMHO)
Good points
It will be interesting to see the new version "in the flesh" ------------- Jof 400e #31 - Grey Goose |
Posted By: Balticcruiser
Date Posted: 31 July 2008 at 08:31
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I agree with your comment Jof:
But why would this not be possible with the new location of roof top winches?
From what I can see from the pictures the halyards and sheets come out in the same position and must run around another set of organisers to be able to be run to the centered winches. Why would it then not be possible to pull them straight ahead to the main winches as on the older models?
There are more pictures and news on the Danish dealer's webpage:
http://www.marineparken.dk/default.asp?page=22&vpath=18|22|&t=2 - http://www.marineparken.dk/default.asp?page=22&vpath=18|22|&t=2
/Balti
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Posted By: Stria
Date Posted: 31 July 2008 at 08:57
you could. But you would be not able to stop the line as it would not pass through the organizers. best stria |
Posted By: Balticcruiser
Date Posted: 31 July 2008 at 09:10
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I guess you mean it would not pass through the clutches, rights? Why would I like it to go through the clutch? This would only mean that I need to make my way all the way to the roof top when easing the sheets.
/Balti
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Posted By: JofB
Date Posted: 31 July 2008 at 12:40
There are certainly times when you need to transfer the sheets (particularly the mainsheet) between the primary and secondary winches so I think you do need a clutch. I leave the sheet clutches open to allow trimming so you don't need to go forward when easing them, so that is not a problem.
Taking the main or jib sheet back from the bank of clutches shown in the photo would mean huge friction and sideway loads because of the angle involved. Perhaps the answer would be a separate clutch further forward for the sheets that would allow either winch to be used.
Of more concern to me would be the fact that I find the smaller winch is just not up to the job of hauling up the main halyard and so that would also need a separate clutch and routing to the primary winch. Not impossible to do, I am sure, but it should be standard, I feel.
Also, the following link to Royal Sailing in Croatia has photos of the new interior - some interesting ideas and developments:
http://client.xl-mailinglist.com/onb3ui21ih.2940894 - http://client.xl-mailinglist.com/onb3ui21ih.2940894 ------------- Jof 400e #31 - Grey Goose |
Posted By: Balticcruiser
Date Posted: 31 July 2008 at 13:07
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I see, so the solution will be to go for upgraded winches, German sheeting system and a traveller in the cockpit.
Maybe that is part of the performance pack mentioned on the Croatian dealer's webpage? Interesting also to see that more dealers are publishing information while Hanse in Germany still only refers to the new keel on the 630 as latest news.
/Balti
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Posted By: alettaenmarcel
Date Posted: 31 July 2008 at 13:53
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the new 400 looks good
I see in some things Hanse builders have listened.
Only the open transom is not my thing , I like somthing to leen upon, expecially on the back in the boat.
The windows look great , finaly windows opening to the outside.
The twin wheel option is looking good and I think it wil be more easy steering because the circel gets smaller and you do not have to steer as much as on one wheel.
I will stick to my 370 exept for wenn I win the lottery
 greetings Marcel ------------- Kids Dingys 72-79 ,Several Windsurfboards 79-86 OK dingy competitions 86-92 , Trotter Pandora Race 92-98, Friendship 28 Sport 98-05, Hanse 370 06-...... |
Posted By: Rubato
Date Posted: 31 July 2008 at 22:45
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Some other positive improvements I note from the pictures....
- raised edges on the chart table and saloon table, things won't slide off as easily
- grab rail on the ceiling of the saloon
- splash guard for the sink
- center of the saloon table has storage
A new negative....
- the storage area in the saloon where the new window in the hull is, there aren't any rails or guards to stop things from sliding off. So now useless as "open" storage
Steve
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Posted By: Hanse400
Date Posted: 01 August 2008 at 13:09
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Is it still possible to install the genaker "pin" at the New Hanse 400 ? How is this installed ? (Photo ?) |
Posted By: Easy_Diver
Date Posted: 05 August 2008 at 19:19
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Here below photos of new 400 I have received from our local dealer;            |
Posted By: Easy_Diver
Date Posted: 05 August 2008 at 19:27
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Hello MARCEL,
Regarding "open transom", there is an option for adding "2 stand alone helmsman seats". I do not know how they look like but assume similar to existing 400s' seats at the aft.
So good luck with the lottery
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Posted By: JofB
Date Posted: 05 August 2008 at 21:35
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Good looking boat - many congratulations and best wishes for a Happy Hanse Ownership! Great to see the photos - and all the celebratory flags and flowers. Just looking at the photo of the bow, at least on the single-wheel version, it looks like the fitting for the removeable little bowsprit for flying an asymmetrical is no longer there. Is that so? ------------- Jof 400e #31 - Grey Goose |
Posted By: alettaenmarcel
Date Posted: 05 August 2008 at 22:16
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Ha ha the lottery , now i only have to buy a lottery ticket! But the pictures are great .
I see there is an option for some kind of boxes in the back were you can sit on or lean apon.
But how to open the hatch under it , the future will learn wenn we see new pictures in the future from new owners wich will take this option.
greetings Marcel
------------- Kids Dingys 72-79 ,Several Windsurfboards 79-86 OK dingy competitions 86-92 , Trotter Pandora Race 92-98, Friendship 28 Sport 98-05, Hanse 370 06-...... |
Posted By: Balticcruiser
Date Posted: 06 August 2008 at 08:23
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Looks like Hanse has standardized more and taken away some options. Interestingly enough this happends at the same time as the introduction of a single or two wheel option. Cutting some and adding some other complexity. I wouldn't be surprised if either the twin or single wheel option is gone in the 2010 model depending on what will be the volume selling version. All photos I have seen show just one portlight for the starboard aft cabin. I take it the port side is now where one will find the big storage or the optional second aft cabin. This will mean that the large galley is gone regardless if you choose one or two aft cabins. Anyone who knows?
/Balti
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Posted By: Easy_Diver
Date Posted: 06 August 2008 at 09:13
It seems on the below layouts that for both options size of kitchen is the same;
  There are some interesting package options on the price table ;
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Posted By: Balticcruiser
Date Posted: 06 August 2008 at 09:32
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Thanks for sharing!
Interesting discount setup:
1) Buy Cruising pack for 5.990 and get a Nav pack with value 4.390 for free. 42% discount.
2) Buy Cruising pack and Performance pack for 13.180 and get 2.995 discount. 22% discount. Buy more - Save less!
Easy_Diver:
Do you have all layout options available? I assume there is an A1 forward cabin and maybe more?
/Balti
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Posted By: Easy_Diver
Date Posted: 06 August 2008 at 09:56
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It seems that Hanse has updated their website for 400. You can now see all cabin version at ;
http://www.hanseyachts.com/EN/Yachts/Current%20model/400.aspx - http://www.hanseyachts.com/EN/Yachts/Current%20model/400.aspx
Cheers,
Easy_Diver
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Posted By: Balticcruiser
Date Posted: 06 August 2008 at 10:31
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Excellent, so now I only miss the Euro price list...
/Balti
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Posted By: Easy_Diver
Date Posted: 06 August 2008 at 10:45
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Check your private messages |
Posted By: alettaenmarcel
Date Posted: 07 August 2008 at 06:32
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Knowing Hanse Yachts a little by now , the prices should be about the same as the "old " 400.
Onley there are a few different options.
On what I saw on the latest pictures is that the hull window is much lower than on the drawings .
Now the window is below the upper stripings in stat of in the stripings , I like it on the drawings more , looks just more in line with the design.
Now the window will be under wather very fast and could it be used for undersea looking will sailing...
 greetings Marcel ------------- Kids Dingys 72-79 ,Several Windsurfboards 79-86 OK dingy competitions 86-92 , Trotter Pandora Race 92-98, Friendship 28 Sport 98-05, Hanse 370 06-...... |
Posted By: Balticcruiser
Date Posted: 07 August 2008 at 08:42
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Yes, the interesting part is the option list indeed.
I guess Hanse lowered the hull windows to fit it better into the interior. I also think that it looked better as placed on the drawings, but after all it makes sense to have them so that you can look through them while seated.
BTW, kids will love to look under the water while sailing!
/Balti
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Posted By: Easy_Diver
Date Posted: 07 August 2008 at 08:59
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Look here, there is another window on the hull, a little after side iwo aft cabin. Now it seems there are 2 windows on the hull ?  |
Posted By: alettaenmarcel
Date Posted: 07 August 2008 at 09:11
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Indeed Kids will love it to look under wather wihle sailing.
But these windows are onley mounted with sikaflex or somting like that.
Wat about these windows are going to leek? wenn windows mounted in the cabin above you onley get sprey wather trough but wenn sailing the hull windows will not onley drip some wather trough but splash it trough.
I am just glad to have an "old" (2006) 370
 without any windows in the hull.greetings marcel
BDW.. i know from sailing in IOR rules windows were to be baulted on the hull as well, maybey that is so long ago that sika wassen´t as good as it is now but it was safety first... ------------- Kids Dingys 72-79 ,Several Windsurfboards 79-86 OK dingy competitions 86-92 , Trotter Pandora Race 92-98, Friendship 28 Sport 98-05, Hanse 370 06-...... |
Posted By: Balticcruiser
Date Posted: 07 August 2008 at 09:32
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So, there is at least one new 400 with 2 windows in the hull on each side.
I guess this will look more proportional with the lowered position.
/Balti
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Posted By: mcrisp2
Date Posted: 07 August 2008 at 22:32
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Hi Easy_Diver,
as I am currently in disscussions with my dealer I would love to know where you got the information about the various pricing deals regarding your comments "if you buy the cruising pack you get the navigation pack for free" - and other options.
Is this something offered by your dealer or by Hanse ?
Thanks for your help.
Mike
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Posted By: Easy_Diver
Date Posted: 08 August 2008 at 06:31
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Hi Mike,
As far as I understood these options are directly offered by Hanse. There is a bottom note under the price table ;
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Posted By: Eduard
Date Posted: 08 August 2008 at 11:08
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It's good that they have moved the winches near the entrance a little bit to the inside. Now you can make a whole turn with the winch handle when the sprayhood is up. So far this was not possible on both the 400 and 370.
However I don't like hull windows; they are vulnerable. If I want to look how it's like under water either I go diving or take a ride on a submarine. ------------- Ed sy "Nimby" Hanse 342 #611 (2007); white hull, (one) wheel steering, Selden mast & boom, furlex 200S, deep draught, two cabins, traveller in cockpit, DSC VHF, inboard ap, B&G Zeus + Triton (2x) |
Posted By: alettaenmarcel
Date Posted: 08 August 2008 at 11:38
HOHO 
The winch can be uses on starbord off the 370 , as long as you have a disigned hood on it on wich we have been thinking about how it had to be made.
The standard hood in Holland is not made for use off manual winches!
We have our hood since this year on our 370 and with the small handle we can exactly make the compleet turn!
greetings Marcel ------------- Kids Dingys 72-79 ,Several Windsurfboards 79-86 OK dingy competitions 86-92 , Trotter Pandora Race 92-98, Friendship 28 Sport 98-05, Hanse 370 06-...... |
Posted By: Peter-Blake
Date Posted: 08 August 2008 at 12:34
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Under my sprayhood, made by tuchwerkstatt.de, there is no problem to use the winches on both sides. (Hanse 370) ------------- Blake 370
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Posted By: alettaenmarcel
Date Posted: 08 August 2008 at 14:45
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Have you any pictures of your Hood Peter Blake?
You should send it to Hetterschijt in Holland than they can arange a better hood for new owners!
greetings Marcel
------------- Kids Dingys 72-79 ,Several Windsurfboards 79-86 OK dingy competitions 86-92 , Trotter Pandora Race 92-98, Friendship 28 Sport 98-05, Hanse 370 06-...... |
Posted By: Peter-Blake
Date Posted: 08 August 2008 at 14:54
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Hi marcel,
here is a foto of my sprayhood, i think it looks good.
http://www.myhanse.com/uploads/20080516_172906_Sprayhood_made_.jpg - http://www.myhanse.com/uploads/20080516_172906_Sprayhood_made_.jpg
you find some more also in this thread:
http://www.myhanse.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=2150 - http://www.myhanse.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=2150
I hope you like it.
BTW: i liked the one from hetterschijt. they look good. But if you want to add a cockpittent, as we did, you cannot sit right in the cockpit if it is designed like hetterschijt. So we decided to order it at tuchwerkstatt, absolutely custom made. And one of the points in my order was, that the winches have to work well, and that we want to be able to sit in thje cockpittent easily. And the third was: it had to look better than the ones from w&R. And i can tell you it looks better, because the front window has a lower angle. All this was discussed with us before and they made it exact the way we wanted it. ------------- Blake 370
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Posted By: Yeoman
Date Posted: 11 August 2008 at 11:25
| A quick reply - the new 400 windows will be higher on the full production model. Breaking the upper cove line stripe. |
Posted By: Balticcruiser
Date Posted: 11 August 2008 at 12:42
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Thank you for the clarification Yeoman!
Can you also bring some light upon the fact that one of the new 400 has hull windows also in the aft cabins?
/Balti
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Posted By: mcrisp2
Date Posted: 13 August 2008 at 07:51
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Hi Baltii,
have just been in the process of ordering a new 400 and the feedback from my dealer (Thailand) is be aware the the new 400's in the picutures were from boats not totally complete and also the options may vary as Hanse has not completely finanisled everything
For example
Cheers,
MikE C.
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Posted By: Balticcruiser
Date Posted: 13 August 2008 at 12:55
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Hi Mike,
Do you mean that your dealer told you that what you listed is not included/available or is it still not decided?
Thanks,
Balti
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Posted By: mcrisp2
Date Posted: 14 August 2008 at 02:05
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Hi Balti, what I mean is that you can order for example the helmans seats and the swimming platform and there is price but there are no pictures or drawings to show you what you will get - weird I know but that is the way it is.
Cheers,
Mike
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Posted By: Balticcruiser
Date Posted: 14 August 2008 at 22:19
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Interesting sales pitch... Dear Customer: We can offer you these interesting options, but we're not yet sure how we will implement them for you  !/Balti |
Posted By: tingeling
Date Posted: 17 August 2008 at 12:06
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Congratulations to Hanse for some good improvements on their new 400.
Grab-rail in the ceiling...greate improvement
Solid wood edges on furniture/tables as opposed to glued plywood-edges...really needed as the glued ones take a lot of damage and also some will loosen and fall off.
Windows to cockpit...light and air..puh!
Better looking flooring in the saloon.
I still miss a good and practical bookshelf in the starboard opening between the two lockers.
There are some stuff they shouldn't have done, like the simplified main sail sheeting, no seat over the transome and small winches, but as a total they have fixed some major shortcomings.
Stay clear of two wheels and the fixed table in the cockpit. The cockpit as is is a good workspace at sea. A folding table will do the job when ashore at evenings.
Everything concidered : Good news for new owners.
Tingeling
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Posted By: Yeoman
Date Posted: 19 August 2008 at 17:44
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Hi,
There are additional hatches available in the back of the cockpit benches facing backwards. I believe but it not confirmed that these will be the third opening hatch in the aft cabins
Kind regards
Phil
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Posted By: bik3man
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 12:02
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Hi, I am a newcomer to this great forum, just wanted to share a few thoughts on the new 400. I visited her at a boat show recently. She was moored next to the 430, and it was astonishing to see how much more elegant the new 400 looked with the new window styling. The 430 is a mess in comparison, with no less than four different window designs.
A few things: the 400 had windows in the hull, both for the saloon and the aft cabins, but none for the forward cabin, which felt a bit claustrophobic despite the size.
And the open transom is very open indeed. Standing behind the wheel(s) you really feel like you're about to fall into the water. When using the boat as a family cruiser, I would like to see some sort of bench option or at least a railing all the way down to the deck back there.
But all in all a really beautiful boat. I'm looking forward to see more pictures of her in full profile view.
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Posted By: Balticcruiser
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 12:47
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Had a similar experience seeing the 430 and the new 400. I was very impressed by the new 400 having seen previous versions over the years. It really feels like Hanse has listened to customers and dealers and now is ready to deliver a finished product.
The open transom is indeed very, very open. A fold-out platform and a built-in permanent swim ladder would make it more family friendly. Some kind of arrangement will be need for child safety purposes if you have younger kids onboard.
The main aft cabin is simply wonderful. Loosing some stowage in the cockpit locker is definitely worth sacrifying for the volume achieved in the cabin. For those of you who haven't seen it, the starboard cockpit locker is now reduced in depth giving full height in the cabin all the way back to the aft window. To compensate this two additional lockers are found under the cockpit floor at the steering position. Also, both gas bottles will fit into the starboard side locker leaving the port side locker available for other things. Port main locker is as before. Better usage of space under the cockpit and a very nice aft cabin. Good work Hanse!
The window design now finally, as bik3man writes, looks integrated with the design, beautiful. I agree, the 430 looks like a design mess compared to the new 400. The 400 I saw, had hull windows only in the saloon, having them in the aft cabins and the forward cabin would be even better. The forward cabin could be improved by adding a window under the black screen in front (were the 2007 model had a forward looking window). A fixed window (like in the hull) would be great here not interfering like in the 2007 model with the design. An improvement for the 2010 model
 ?Much better than I thought from only studying the pictures made available.
/Balti
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Posted By: Easy_Diver
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 12:56
| Any photos from the ones saw this baby in the show ? |
Posted By: Balticcruiser
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 13:03
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Will try to add when I get home tonight!
/Balti
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Posted By: Easy_Diver
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 15:12
I don't know how deep you have inspected the boat in the show but have you noticed any improvement for the known issues ie. blocks iwo mast base, stainless steel parts, hose types/connections, design of bottom frames under floors in terms of pumping out water by bilge pump, mast-boom connection, fuse holders etc.
This boat certainly lacks a nice aft bench like ELAN or SALONA models (full bench from one side to other). I hate the idea of sitting on the side bench all the time steering the boat. There is an option for removable aft pilot benches said to be similar to 43, but it is of very poor design. If I buy this boat I will ask local workshops to produce a nice bench similar to below one ;
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Posted By: Peter-Blake
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 15:18
Just found this foto in the www
 http://hanseyachtsvertrieb.de/hanseTypo3/uploads/pics/Hanse_400_09_1.jpg - ------------- Blake 370
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Posted By: Balticcruiser
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 17:29
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Well, safer but not better for sailing IMHO. Have you noticed that the guy steering is not sitting on this aft pilot bench? The wheel is simply too big to allow anyone with normal sized arm lenght to sit down and steer behind the wheel .With the twin wheel option and a very wide bench it might be useful though, but myself I would never trade the distinct control with a rod link steering for the chain system that comes with the twin option. /Balti |
Posted By: Peter-Blake
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 17:38
Some more fotos
 http://www.bryggan.net/pic/large/400ny4l.jpg -
    ------------- Blake 370
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Posted By: bik3man
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 18:25
| Nice photos, but the one I saw at the show looked even better, with teak deck and two windows in the hull. |
Posted By: Balticcruiser
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 21:15
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A boat show with lots of people onboard is not always the optimal place for a photo session nor studying everything in detail, but some observations were made and documented. Not documented but identified was the old budget non-stainless water boiler. Hanse AG still haven't given up on stupid cost saving measures. It's as mentioned before on this forum however easy to through out the rusty one and replace with same sized Isotemp Slim for approx 400 EUR. The anchor winch is hopefully now allowing smooth operation without chain jam with a moulded GRP slope replacing the aluminium console  More close up:  Shrouds, now back to three:  Hull windows placed in line with stripe:  |
Posted By: Balticcruiser
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 21:33
Hull window location from the inside: Aft cabin with more volume and transom facing window and also more wood on the hull inside:  Head floor with what I assume would be a working drainage, didn't manage test it during the show though : Finally, the autopilot installation remains basically the same also in the twin wheel version. The autopilot is not connected to the steering drive chain:  Hope this is of interest. I believe this is a normal production boat, but as always with Hanse specifications can be changed at any time. That's why I didn't really look for replaceable tings like A4 bolts nor deck equipment specifications. I think the two hull window version seen by some in this forum was one of the two first built boats shown in Greifswald during the dealer weekend in July. My guess is that they have decided not to include hull windows in the aft cabin for some probably good reason, cost savings  ?/Balti |
Posted By: Easy_Diver
Date Posted: 09 September 2008 at 07:03
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Thanks for sharing the photos Balti. Nice job indeed. Please add more photos showing the whole boat in one frame please I hope shrouds will not interfere with 140% genoa.
Aft bench mostly works for me to lie down and watch the stars in a summer night of maiden Mediterrenean coves
 I can also use it as a gangway to shore. And with a twin wheel option (my preference) I can steer the boat while motoring. |
Posted By: Peter-Blake
Date Posted: 09 September 2008 at 08:25
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Very nice is the teak inside the shower.
I do not like the very small drainage for the autopilot compartement. Espeacially if the gap for the big steering wheel drains into this compartement too (I cannot see it on the fotos, but i think it could be this way)
And i really do not like that the skipper is standing always on a shutter. There are 3 under him, and all are only fastened with 2 very small hinges. This can be dangerous i think in haevy seas.
@easy driver
Why can you steer with twin wheels better under motor than with one wheel?
@big3man
sure, a boat with teak deck always looks better. ------------- Blake 370
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Posted By: Balticcruiser
Date Posted: 09 September 2008 at 08:29
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Sorry, but I couldn't get a shot of the whole boat. It was too crowded in the marina. Shrouds are identical to previous model year, so genoa will work as before. Check this out for a better transom solution combining open access with safety during sailing. This big platfork is easily manually lowered and is including a fixed swimming ladder on the inside. Unfortunately a more than twice as expensive yacht
 . Well, I felt this Dufour 45 was a bit too large for my taste anyway... but a nice boat indeed. |
Posted By: Easy_Diver
Date Posted: 09 September 2008 at 08:34
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Twin wheel is prefered by the boss (wife) for an easy access to cockpit In my opinion, new Bavaria 40 has also a nice stern design with electrically lowerable platform.
http://www.northsouthyachting.com.au/yms/bavaria/yachts/40/desc/Bavaria%2040%20Cruiser.jpg - http://www.northsouthyachting.com.au/yms/bavaria/yachts/40/desc/Bavaria%2040%20Cruiser.jpg
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as she will spend most of the time moored in the marina, having party on board 
. Posted By: Balticcruiser
Date Posted: 09 September 2008 at 08:36
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Yes, it's teak inside the head over the whole floor.
/Balti
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Posted By: Balticcruiser
Date Posted: 09 September 2008 at 08:42
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Teak on deck, nice looking but adds weight high up, not good for sailing performance.
The thin teak that Hanse and most low volume production yards can simply not be as durable as the traditional teak decks. A traditional teak deck might last 25 years before replacement. I'm not sure the thin deck will last more than 10 years so I rather buy the boat without teak and put a real teak deck on when the cockpit teak is worn out in ten years time or so. Or focus on sailing performance and less maintenance work.
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Posted By: Easy_Diver
Date Posted: 20 September 2008 at 21:25
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Some other photos taken by our local dealer during Cannes boatshow 
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Posted By: bik3man
Date Posted: 22 September 2008 at 11:42
Some rumors/updates on the helmsman seats and swimming platform.
- The optional swimming platform will not be available for the open transom Hanse 400
- The optional helmsman seats will be an integrated "box" all the way aft on both sides, with internal storage, and access to the below deck storage compartments that can be seen on the cockpit pictures.
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Posted By: Balticcruiser
Date Posted: 22 September 2008 at 13:26
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Hi Mike, Yes, I've learned how Hanse work with gradual implementation of new solutions. It would be understandable if they had illustrations of these not yet ready options, but as in this case not even providing that but still include it in the option list is very strange way of working. Anyway, thanks for sharing some new rumours around the helmsman seats. Any rumours about when there will be an illustration or a photo available? Also the standard fore cabin with an "island" berth is an interesting topic for further investigations since all boats pictured so far appear to have the traditional V-berth. Has anyone seen the "island" berth? /Balti |
Posted By: Abstinenz
Date Posted: 23 September 2008 at 16:43
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Hi,
have just read the latest issue of Danish magazine "Bådnyt" and they tested the new 400 #2. The overall conclusion is: It's not just a face lift/make over. The new 400 is much more. She point even better than the old 400 and she is a little bit faster. The test people don't like the roof sheeting system for the mainsail. (But who likes a roof system without a traveller?) The winches are too small and std. sails are the same bad quality as usual.
But overall. It's a good yacht to a fair price. /Steen ------------- Hanse 342#436 |
Posted By: Balticcruiser
Date Posted: 24 September 2008 at 09:00
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Steen, Is this review available on the web somewhere?
Would be fun to practise some Danish.
/Balti
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Posted By: Rubato
Date Posted: 24 September 2008 at 09:30
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This is the first hint that I've heard that the hull and/or rig is a bit different (other than the keel change). Can anyone shed more light on this?
Steve
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Posted By: Abstinenz
Date Posted: 24 September 2008 at 10:39
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Hi Rubato.
No no. The rig and the hull is the same. The new T-keel provides better lift and that is transformed into better speed and pointing.
/Steen ------------- Hanse 342#436 |
Posted By: Abstinenz
Date Posted: 24 September 2008 at 10:41
you can probably buy an example at http://www.baadnyt.dk - www.baadnyt.dk /Steen ------------- Hanse 342#436 |
Posted By: Balticcruiser
Date Posted: 24 September 2008 at 11:19
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No, the test is not available there.
Will probably not happen until a new issue of the magazine is out
/Balti
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Posted By: Yeoman
Date Posted: 10 October 2008 at 17:12
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Hi Folks,
The standard 400 will come with a transom bench, which fills in the gap at the back of the boat. It is removeable (2 shoot bolts) and has the same grippy surface as the deck.
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Posted By: Peter-Blake
Date Posted: 10 October 2008 at 18:40
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Do you have a foto of the transom bench? ------------- Blake 370
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Posted By: Easy_Diver
Date Posted: 11 October 2008 at 07:06
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Really good news. It may not be an issue for some people but for me it is important and change my ideas.
I could get below photos from local dealer but said these are still prototype and not final design ?
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Posted By: Easy_Diver
Date Posted: 17 October 2008 at 07:52
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Hi Yeoman,
Is the above similar to what you meant for the transom bench filling the gap ? There is already a different design ? I would still prefer a removable long bench (no storage underneath) to be fitted from stbd to port.
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Posted By: Peter-Blake
Date Posted: 17 October 2008 at 08:17
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It looks like a simple box - ok - but it does not look like to be done for this boat. The connection to the Hull shown on the left side looks strange. And the teak: I hope they do not make the teak like shown. This looks like the Standart from the company Bavaria. I am missing the teakframe, Ok it is traditionell but looks much better:
It should stay like this as shown on the homepage from hanse:
http://hanseyachts.com/GetFile.aspx?aliaspath=%2fHauptbilder%2ftechnik04_jpg - http://hanseyachts.com/GetFile.aspx?aliaspath=%2fHauptbilder%2ftechnik04_jpg http://hanseyachts.com/GetFile.aspx?aliaspath=%2fHauptbilder% - ------------- Blake 370
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Posted By: Yeoman
Date Posted: 17 October 2008 at 15:09
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Hi folks, The standard equipment transom bench is different to this, is is as the name suggests a bench/beam that spans the open transom and is removeable. I have a couple of pics but not sure how to upload.The pics above are of the optional equipment seat/storage boxes, which are not removeable. They make use of the storage space which is below them as well as their own shape. Therefore it is effectively an L shaped storage on each side.
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Posted By: Easy_Diver
Date Posted: 17 October 2008 at 15:19
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Yeoman,
Send the pics to me by e-mail mailto:mcengiz@gemak.com - mcengiz@gemak.com and I'll upload them.
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Posted By: Balticcruiser
Date Posted: 17 October 2008 at 15:23
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You were fast there Easy_Diver
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Posted By: Easy_Diver
Date Posted: 17 October 2008 at 15:38
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Hey Balticcruiser, unforunately I am looking to screen almost 8am till 18pm everday By the way, I am very close to place an order for a new 400 but still struggling to decide if making such investment in this economical situation is clever idea or I should wait some time more
 I believe there will be many nice occasions in the second hand market.
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Posted By: Rob a/b Zilt
Date Posted: 17 October 2008 at 17:17
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Hallo Yeoman, Abouth the transom bench, I saw a picture from the Moody 45DS with a very nice seat. Maybe a small one can by a good design for the Hanse 400. Regards
Rob
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Posted By: Easy_Diver
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 07:30
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Rob,
Do you mean these ones ?
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Posted By: Rob a/b Zilt
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 16:52
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Yes Easy Diver,
That's the one. When they develop a smaller one and with a separate stainless steel frame the seat can be turnable when you must be in the locker under the floor.
gr
Rob
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Posted By: Easy_Diver
Date Posted: 20 October 2008 at 20:54
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Yeoman,
We are still missing the photos of so called aft bench. Do you mind sharing them with us.
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Posted By: Yeoman
Date Posted: 28 October 2008 at 17:25
| Can someone run me through how to add them - sorry for the delay but I do not get on here often |
Posted By: Yeoman
Date Posted: 28 October 2008 at 17:33
| I have emailed them to Easy Diver for uploading |
Posted By: Easy_Diver
Date Posted: 28 October 2008 at 20:51
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Thanks Yeoman, these are the photos;   |
Posted By: Shogun
Date Posted: 31 October 2008 at 22:08
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Thanks for these photos.
I hope Hanse will have a teak finish to the bench - like the elan or salona 37. It looks much better in my view.
Will all new 400s have this bench as standard?
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Posted By: Balticcruiser
Date Posted: 14 November 2008 at 12:37
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Has anyone seen a new 400 with the standard forward cabin?
The large island berth has not been visible on any official photos yet.
/Balti
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Posted By: alettaenmarcel
Date Posted: 14 November 2008 at 19:28
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Wenn I look close to the back off the new 400 I see it is not symetric at the bottom part , or is wath I see not correct.
I hope this is a demo or proto type , because I would not accept this wenn I were the new owner...
Greetings Marcel ------------- Kids Dingys 72-79 ,Several Windsurfboards 79-86 OK dingy competitions 86-92 , Trotter Pandora Race 92-98, Friendship 28 Sport 98-05, Hanse 370 06-...... |
Posted By: Balticcruiser
Date Posted: 17 November 2008 at 08:52
| What is not symmetrical? Can you be more precise? |
Posted By: Easy_Diver
Date Posted: 17 November 2008 at 10:10
| I believe the difference between port and stbd is quite clear on the photo. See the bottom part iwo connection between transom and the hull. Either the the transom is attached to hull little bit misaligned or the hull is little bit shorter on the stbd side. |