German sheeting
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Topic: German sheeting
Posted By: Horta
Subject: German sheeting
Date Posted: 29 January 2009 at 11:30
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Hi!
I am going to install the German sheeting on my new 400e (i hope it will arrive this week)
Does anyone has the German sheeting installed?
Good winds!! ------------- Horta. |
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Posted By: Peter-Blake
Date Posted: 29 January 2009 at 15:54
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There are some fotos in the 370 section avaiable. ------------- Blake 370 
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Posted By: Horta
Date Posted: 29 January 2009 at 21:48
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Thanks Blake, but what i found in the 370 section was a german sheeting using the genoa tracks, and that i can not do because i will use a 120/130 genoa. ------------- Horta. |
Posted By: Strand
Date Posted: 01 February 2009 at 13:34
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Hi Horta and Blake See pictures below from my 370. The padeyes monted directly in deck, and the fastenings in boom are std 10 mm chackles which I drilled a bit more open holes in. System has been working exellent in 3 seasons now. Good luck!      ------------- Bjørn H430 # 350 - "Diva" Previously H370e #002 - "FUS" |
Posted By: Peter-Blake
Date Posted: 01 February 2009 at 15:38
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Thanks for sharing Björn. How did you reenforce the deck? or was there a kind of reenforcement already mounted? ------------- Blake 370
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Posted By: Strand
Date Posted: 01 February 2009 at 22:56
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Hi Have not reinforced in deck, it is quite massive in that area. ------------- Bjørn H430 # 350 - "Diva" Previously H370e #002 - "FUS" |
Posted By: Peter-Blake
Date Posted: 02 February 2009 at 07:09
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Thanks Björn,
i thought it needs to be reinforced because there will be big loads while sailing in headwinds with the boom midship. Interesting to know that it does not need to be reinforced. ------------- Blake 370
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Posted By: Horta
Date Posted: 02 February 2009 at 21:31
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Thanks for the pictures Bjorn,
My boat arrived today to Portugal
 ------------- Horta. |
Posted By: Horta
Date Posted: 02 February 2009 at 21:53
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Bjorn, sorry to ask but it is possible for you to show some pictures from the sheeting passing near the genoa track ?
Do you mount another padeyes on the rear for the end of the system?
Can you show some pictures of that too?
Thanks! ------------- Horta. |
Posted By: Strand
Date Posted: 02 February 2009 at 22:14
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Hi Horta I'm not using any more padeyes on my 370. Fus is covered for winter, and not possible to take more pictures till after Easter. Below is a picture showing some of the sheet. As you see the sheet (blue) is running inside of the genoa-tracks almost all way back. The sheets are run through the standard blocks and up to rear winches.  ------------- Bjørn H430 # 350 - "Diva" Previously H370e #002 - "FUS" |
Posted By: Strand
Date Posted: 02 February 2009 at 22:18
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Hi Here is a better picture.  ------------- Bjørn H430 # 350 - "Diva" Previously H370e #002 - "FUS" |
Posted By: Horta
Date Posted: 02 February 2009 at 22:53
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Hi bjorn,
thanks a lot for the picture, and the explain.
------------- Horta. |
Posted By: Gregor
Date Posted: 02 February 2009 at 22:58
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Hi,
Could someone explain to me what the advantage is of this sheeting system compared to the one I have on my 311 (sheet fixed in the middle, no traveller). Thanks, Gregor ------------- Uisge Beatha Currently sailing Dehler 36 JV (2002) Previous boat: Hanse 311 #80 http://www.uisge-beatha.eu" rel="nofollow - http://www.uisge-beatha.eu |
Posted By: Horta
Date Posted: 03 February 2009 at 11:57
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Hi Gregor,
Well for my point of view, this system it is good for bigger main sails (34foot boats and on, i had a Dehler 36 DB and i did not use it, but i think it will work better on it) because even if you use a big cascade des multiplication, it is still hard to sheet in on heavy winds, and if you want to use the windward winch (the traveller on heavy winds it is to leeward) it will be on the opposite side of the sheet, so with the German system the sheet ends on both side winches ( it is easier on big sails to sheet in with a winch) so you can work the sheet always on the windward side(despite the traveller position).
Good winds. ------------- Horta. |
Posted By: Gregor
Date Posted: 03 February 2009 at 19:46
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Hi,
Thanks for the explaination. Clear to me what t means. The way you described it, I noticed I have been sailing on a First 40.7 and the sheeting system was exactly like this. I did not know it was called a German sheting system. Wonder where the name comes from? Gregor ------------- Uisge Beatha Currently sailing Dehler 36 JV (2002) Previous boat: Hanse 311 #80 http://www.uisge-beatha.eu" rel="nofollow - http://www.uisge-beatha.eu |
Posted By: Horta
Date Posted: 03 February 2009 at 22:50
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Hi,
Sorry, that i do not know  ------------- Horta. |
Posted By: colincooper
Date Posted: 04 February 2009 at 08:50
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I think it came first known when it was used on a German Americas Cup entry, hence the name. ------------- Colin (owner of Hilde - a 370) |
Posted By: Peter-Blake
Date Posted: 04 February 2009 at 09:21
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As far as i know it was not the Americas Cup, There has never been a competitve entry so far.....from germany ;-( It was as far as i know the admirals cup. This is a little diffrent event
 And in the admirals cup the germans were quite good some years ago. I think they won it 3 times. You may correct me....
I think it was first time seen on the German Yacht called "Rubin".
May be thats the reason for the name.
Here a link to harken with the system http://www.harken.com/rigtips/mainsheet.php - http://www.harken.com/rigtips/mainsheet.php
Its called there: Admiral's Cup 2:1 with Dedicated Winch
------------- Blake 370
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Posted By: Abstinenz
Date Posted: 04 February 2009 at 10:28
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Was'nt there a mr. Michael Schmidt as skipper on the "Rubin" ??
btw. Germany did have a boat in the latest AC. /Steen ------------- Hanse 342#436 |
Posted By: Peter-Blake
Date Posted: 04 February 2009 at 10:34
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@Abstinenz
No Mr. Schmidt was on the cupper "Duesselboot", i do not remember that he was on Rubin too.
Yes there was one german Entry in the americas cup. But they were not competitive! ------------- Blake 370
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Posted By: Abstinenz
Date Posted: 04 February 2009 at 10:46
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Hi Peter
next time the Germans have an entry they should choose a J&V design
 . /Steen ------------- Hanse 342#436 |
Posted By: colincooper
Date Posted: 04 February 2009 at 11:04
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Thanks for correction. I was just ready the reports from NZ on the racing there and got the cups mixed up as I typed. ------------- Colin (owner of Hilde - a 370) |
Posted By: Abstinenz
Date Posted: 04 February 2009 at 11:20
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Peter,
from the back of my memory bank..  Rubin, far from being a clone of Outsider, was a totally new 40 foot design by Judel and Vrolijk, for owner Hans-Otto Schumann. Hans-Otto, one of the most experienced German yachtsmen, has been a long-term exponent of tank testing and the latest Rubin was no exception. He added the expertise of aerospace designers to provide Rubin with a different keel shape - one which was radically modified as Rubin hit the underwater extension of the Plymouth breakwater at the end of the Fastnet Race. Rubin was steered by Michael Schmidt who had been responsible for the programme which built Dusselboot in 1981 and which became Outsider in 1983. /Steen------------- Hanse 342#436 |
Posted By: Peter-Blake
Date Posted: 04 February 2009 at 11:41
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@Abstinenz: You are right, just checked it in the www. May be my memory bank was to small.... ------------- Blake 370
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Posted By: Rubato
Date Posted: 04 February 2009 at 14:17
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I am changing the cockpit mainsheet system for Rubato from a 6:1/24:1 system to the 2:1 dedicated winch arrangement (not Admiral's cup version). I don't believe I will need the footblocks "C" shown in the diagram. The advantage over the Admiral's cup version is fewer blocks (less cost, less friction) and less clutter on the side decks. I'll let you know how it works in mid to late March...
Steve
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Posted By: rob_\
Date Posted: 08 March 2009 at 14:59
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Hallo Horta, My new 400 will arrive at the end of this month. I am also interrested in the German sheeting. Did you install it already and do you have pictures you can share.
Regards
Rob ------------- hanse400 |
Posted By: Horta
Date Posted: 23 March 2009 at 12:35
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Hi Rob Sorry about the delay, but i just recived my boat on Mars 12. I didn´t put it yet and i am thinking about an alternative. when ready i will send you some fotos.
Best regards ------------- Horta. |
Posted By: MYTHOS NIKOS
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 22:06
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Hi Steve! any news from german sheeting? Can you remind me the topic I've seen with webs of owners? cheers Nikos. ------------- GREEK MYTHOS 400e#498 [URL=http//www.mythos-sailing.com |
Posted By: Rubato
Date Posted: 27 March 2009 at 16:12
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Nikos.
I completed the changes to Rubato last weekend, this includes changing the main sheet arrangement to the "2:1 with dedicated winches" found on Harken's website http://www.harken.com/rigtips/mainsheet.php - http://www.harken.com/rigtips/mainsheet.php I did not have to use the footblocks in the diagram. I will take some photos this weekend while we're out racing and post next week.
Cheers, Steve
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Posted By: MYTHOS NIKOS
Date Posted: 27 March 2009 at 18:21
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GOOD LUCK !! Race well and have fun. Nikos. ------------- GREEK MYTHOS 400e#498 [URL=http//www.mythos-sailing.com |
Posted By: Rubato
Date Posted: 31 March 2009 at 20:12
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Here's a couple of photos showing the new main sheet system on Rubato. The crew absolutely loves it - a lot easier to adjust and to harden the sheet to the necessary amount than the previous 6:1/24:1 system. I'm using the original 46ST winches for this system and now have 50ST for the foresail.
Parts used:
Lewmar #29432823 TB Car Long 3x sz2 Upstand, 2 double CL sheaves Harken #1969 75mm Black Magic AirBlock
Harken #1958 57mm Black Magic AirBlock high Load (qty 2)
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Posted By: Peter-Blake
Date Posted: 31 March 2009 at 21:30
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This looks really very good, your sheeting system. Sad i do not have the traveller in my cockpit. But without it in the cockpit it is better for the children.
BTW shocking this skyscraperlike swimming House behind your boat. ------------- Blake 370
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Posted By: MYTHOS NIKOS
Date Posted: 31 March 2009 at 22:08
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IT LOOKS GREAT STEEVE! THANK YOU FOR POSTING. HOW ABOUT THE RACE? CHEERS NIKOS. ------------- GREEK MYTHOS 400e#498 [URL=http//www.mythos-sailing.com |
Posted By: Rubato
Date Posted: 01 April 2009 at 04:35
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Oh yeah, the race.
Day 1 we had 3 races, all in only 5-7 knots of breeze. There are a lot of light boats in the division so we were near the end of the pack, not dead last though. Day 2 we had 2 races, the first in about 8-9 knots and the second in 10-12. We were middle fo the pack in the first and got line honours in the second. Unfortunately, the race committee screwed up and used the wrong handicaps in all the races. We use ORC Club which has 3 handicaps; light wind (9 knots and below), medium wind (9-14) and heavy (above 14). They used the medium handicaps for all races except the last where they used the heavy one, go figure... Not sure why we stopped at only 2 races on Sunday either. They packed it in at 13:45 when the race instructions said they could start races as late as 15:00. Race instructions also said they'd run as many races as possible and the wind was finally in a decent range!!!! Anyways, it was the first time out for the season, we had a ton of fun, didn't break anything and all the new modifications and equipment worked great.... On with the season!
Cheers,
Steve
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Posted By: MYTHOS NIKOS
Date Posted: 01 April 2009 at 07:24
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Well done Steeve!! Check the relations between light boats and Race Officer . Cheers Nikos. ------------- GREEK MYTHOS 400e#498 [URL=http//www.mythos-sailing.com |
Posted By: StephenDadour
Date Posted: 11 January 2013 at 02:27
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Many thanks for these photos, i will be down at the boat this afternoon to check things out and will be passing these onto my rigger. Stephen Solutions # 400-769
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Posted By: iemand
Date Posted: 11 January 2013 at 13:03
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I have the same arrangement on my 370. I also like the idea of less material etc however after 3 years there is one disadvantage against the normal German Sheeting: The blocks are lower than the winches which has the effekt that if you ease the traveller leeward in strong winds the sheet gets tighter and tighter. In different words: the traveller doesn't go too easy. I think about an extension plate which raises the blocks nearly to winch level. BR Thomas
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