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Topic: Sheeting the gennaker
Posted By: Zeester
Subject: Sheeting the gennaker
Date Posted: 07 February 2009 at 14:42
Another interesting question that is still puzzeling my head is how to lead all the lines of the gennaker.
  • do I need to use a block at the base of the gennaker? I do have the steel pipe in front to attach it to.
  • Where goes this line to?
  • Do i need to install extra blocks at the side or on the siderails for the sheets?

All tips and maybe some pics are helpfull.

 
Ron



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Posted By: Peter-Blake
Date Posted: 07 February 2009 at 14:47
You need the gennakerpin.  I added a block on this pin and use the jibsheet to connect the gennaker there. So you can lift the gennaker with the jibsheet from the cockpit if needed
You need one extra gennakerblock for each gennakersheet close to the winches in the cockpit (depending on the cut of your gennaker) fixed on the foodrail (correct word??)


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Blake 370


Posted By: Zeester
Date Posted: 07 February 2009 at 14:53
A foodrail must be a great thing, but I think you mean a footrail Wink.
Just to be sure, are you talking about the rails which should also be used for the genuasheets?
 
Ron


Posted By: Peter-Blake
Date Posted: 07 February 2009 at 16:15
Sorry for my english. Confused
 
I did not mean the rails used for the genuasheets.
I meant the aluminiumpart at the connection between the hull and the Deck


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Blake 370


Posted By: colincooper
Date Posted: 07 February 2009 at 21:09
To fly an asymetric spin / gennakar you:
 
1. The tack (front corner) goes on the existing jib sheet.  Untie from the jib but leave it in the self-tacking track.  You will find it runs nicely to a block on the "steel pipe" on the bow and then up to the tack of the sail.  You can add a special line for the tack line - but since you don't use the gennakar and jib at the same time doubling up works fine.
 
2. The genakkar sheets run back to blocks fitted either on the pushpit base (there are rings there) or to blocks added to the toerail (or footrail or foodrail).  They then go onto the rear winches.   You can run both sheets at the same time (right round the outside of the boat).  You then gybe with the sail flying out right in front of the boat.  Or you just hook up one sheet at a time and use the snuffer to gybe.  The later saves the problem of the lazy sheet dropping under the bow.
 
 
 
 


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Colin (owner of Hilde - a 370)


Posted By: panos
Date Posted: 07 February 2009 at 22:38
@Colin,
What is the use of a tack line. I would connect the tack directly to the "steel pipe", or if the tack should be some distance up (after experimenting as you propose) I would use a fixed length, purpose made, rope with two eyes at the ends.


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Panos

Hanse 630e - selling her -


Posted By: colincooper
Date Posted: 07 February 2009 at 22:45
Are we mixing up a asym spinnaker/gennakkar and a genoa?  The asym spinnaker/gennakkar  tack needs to be adjustable.  You tighten it to go more upwind.  A fixed line is possible but not advisable.  Using the jib sheet lets you do this adjustment from the cockpit.

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Colin (owner of Hilde - a 370)


Posted By: Gregor
Date Posted: 08 February 2009 at 00:31
I have been puzzeling with my genacker too. Maybe there pictures can help you out

http://www.uisge-beatha.eu/index.php?mact=Album,m8,default,1&m8albumid=8&m8returnid=61&page=61%20 - Setup genacker

Gregor

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Uisge Beatha

Currently sailing Dehler 36 JV (2002)
Previous boat: Hanse 311 #80

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Posted By: slomo
Date Posted: 09 February 2009 at 17:51
Originally posted by colincooper colincooper wrote:

Are we mixing up a asym spinnaker/gennakkar and a genoa?  The asym spinnaker/gennakkar  tack needs to be adjustable.  You tighten it to go more upwind.  A fixed line is possible but not advisable.  Using the jib sheet lets you do this adjustment from the cockpit.
 
I bought a Gennaker last year and had a discussion about the tack line with the sailmaker at this years Duesseldorf boatshow. According to him it is a common misbelief to tighten the tack line when sailing upwind because this will give the sail a fuller shape. 
 
Mex
 
source: http://www.diekow-segel.de/pdf/Trimmfibel_04_Leichtwindsegel.pdf - http://www.diekow-segel.de/pdf/Trimmfibel_04_Leichtwindsegel.pdf


Posted By: Peter-Blake
Date Posted: 09 February 2009 at 18:20
@slomo thats exact what i learned.
 
If you compare the shape of the curve of the the front of the gennaker you will understand it. On the left the curve is much more visible than in the right picture.
 
It is the same what you do with your your mast if you want to flatten the mainsail. In stronger winds you tighten the backstay. Than your mast gets a curve. This way you flatten the mainsail. The diffrence is: the gennaker has no mast in front of it.
 
Your sailmaker is right.


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Blake 370


Posted By: colincooper
Date Posted: 09 February 2009 at 18:34
 
Quote it is a common misbelief to tighten the tack line when sailing upwind because this will give the sail a fuller shape. 
 
Well, maybe it depends on how the sailmaker cut yours.  But all I have read on setting the gennaker has said the same.  I also find it works in practice.   It definately tightens the luff - which I believe is the idea.  
 
If letting out flattens the sail more, then try letting out going upwind and pulling in to go down.  It doesn't work like that when I try it.
 
See:
 
http://www.sailnet.com/forums/seamanship-articles/29095-trimming-your-asymmetrical-spinnaker.html - http://www.sailnet.com/forums/seamanship-articles/29095-trimming-your-asymmetrical-spinnaker.html
 
http://www.rambunctious-j92.com/downloads/Trimming%20Your%20Asymmetrical%20Spinnaker.pdf - http://www.rambunctious-j92.com/downloads/Trimming%20Your%20Asymmetrical%20Spinnaker.pdf
 
http://www.sailingworld.com/from-the-experts/technique/the-commandments-of-asym-trim-37295.html - http://www.sailingworld.com/from-the-experts/technique/the-commandments-of-asym-trim-37295.html
 
http://www.westawaysails.co.uk/Asymmetric.htm - http://www.westawaysails.co.uk/Asymmetric.htm
 
http://www.quantumsails.no/upload/Source/Pdf/asail_trim_j105.pdf - http://www.quantumsails.no/upload/Source/Pdf/asail_trim_j105.pdf
 
http://www.chutescoop.com/AsymmOpsPage.htm - http://www.chutescoop.com/AsymmOpsPage.htm
 
http://www.fxsails.com/spinnarticle2.php - http://www.fxsails.com/spinnarticle2.php
 
Several more on Google.  All say the same.  Many of them make these sails.   Bit of a mystery?
 
 


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Colin (owner of Hilde - a 370)


Posted By: Peter-Blake
Date Posted: 09 February 2009 at 18:39
I think its time for panos to tell us what is right!

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Blake 370


Posted By: colincooper
Date Posted: 09 February 2009 at 19:07
Very happy to learn.  I'm only a cruiser Smile   Happy to give anything a try.
 
Isn't the final sail shape a combination (unlike that diagram which only reduces the tack).  When going more upwind you haul in both sheet and tack.  Wouldn't that combination flatten the sail?  It certainly pulls the sail forward and more central and, to my eyes, makes it less balloon shaped.
 
Panos?


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Colin (owner of Hilde - a 370)



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