Broken bathing platform - again!
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Topic: Broken bathing platform - again!
Posted By: Johan Hackman
Subject: Broken bathing platform - again!
Date Posted: 08 October 2010 at 18:53
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For a while I thought I had my bathing platform problem solved. I had been fighting hard to make my dealer rectify the problem with the platform, that showed large cracks already three months after commission. It took sixteen months before the first replacement was mounted on my boat, and it was not until twoyears after a solution with a platform that wouldn't break and would fit the boat (after the boat had been adjusted to fit the platform) was presented. Or so I thought. A month ago I became aware that also this platform has cracks on both sides. Luckily for me we have a consumer's law in Sweden that allows me to report this issue yet another time. So whatever I have previously written or said about a final design of the 342 bathing platform that will hold - I was wrong. Johan   -------------  http://www.johanhackman.se" rel="nofollow - http://www.johanhackman.se |
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Posted By: Windsurfer
Date Posted: 09 October 2010 at 10:55
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Sorry to hear that Johan...now I feel like it was a wise decision not order the platform for my boat from Hanse...
I guess I will end up constructing a custom one out of a stainless steel... ------------- Hanse 320 #079 White hull, tiller, short keel and rudder, standard North sails, Sparcraft rig |
Posted By: Gregor
Date Posted: 09 October 2010 at 15:45
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Sorry to see it is broken again. Hope that you can work it out with your dealer (do they stell have knees ;) )
Take care, Gregor ------------- Uisge Beatha Currently sailing Dehler 36 JV (2002) Previous boat: Hanse 311 #80 http://www.uisge-beatha.eu" rel="nofollow - http://www.uisge-beatha.eu |
Posted By: kirkelund
Date Posted: 10 October 2010 at 17:37
Oh what a mess - again, Johan My platform looked very similar to yours when we had the chance to compare them this summer.  But, on the other hand, I haven't used mine very much - yet.I think I will make a thorough inspection soon. At a glance, I have only discovered some minor and apparently superficial scratches on my platform, which is incidently newer than the boat. My 342 (2006) was originally not fitted with the platfom, but I had a new one mounted in the UK last year. In my opinion there seems to be something fundamentally wrong with the construction of the platform. That's a shame since it is really a smart design. Maybe it would be a good idea to reconsider the materials used or the way the platform is attached to hull. Judging from the damages on Emilia's platform it seems there there is too much tension transmitted onto the platform itself. Maybe a more flexible material (e.g. wood?) would do the trick - or another kind of brackets that will prevent too much tension to be transmitted to the platform?  Ole Kirkelund "Amani" Ishøj, Denmark |
Posted By: Johan Hackman
Date Posted: 10 October 2010 at 21:17
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Ole, I am sorry to have to reconsider my "approval" of your bathing platform. I suggest you use it some more and pay attention to any cracks.
I think the design is brilliant and if it hadn't been for the bad construction I would be very proud every time I fold down the platform. The bathing platform was actually one of the major reasons for choosing a Hanse but has become one of the major disappointments. Johan ------------- http://www.johanhackman.se" rel="nofollow - http://www.johanhackman.se |
Posted By: Stella*Nova
Date Posted: 11 October 2010 at 10:08
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Oh no, Johan, what a ...
Mine was changed in spring. I hope it will not show the same cracks than yours in a few months. Do you have a reaction from Hanse? ------------- BR Ralf, Ex. 'a mare' H370 |
Posted By: alettaenmarcel
Date Posted: 11 October 2010 at 12:53
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Johan that is not very fine for you.
I have seen on my 370 platform there al also some cracks in it .
But my friends say to me I have to go to the weight watchers...
 Is that maybe somting for you as well?????
 Succes solving your problem
Greetings Marcel
------------- Kids Dingys 72-79 ,Several Windsurfboards 79-86 OK dingy competitions 86-92 , Trotter Pandora Race 92-98, Friendship 28 Sport 98-05, Hanse 370 06-...... |
Posted By: Johan Hackman
Date Posted: 11 October 2010 at 14:06
Nah, look how slim I am. No weight watchers for me.  In addition, I have also been overly cautious with the platform. But still it cracks.
Ralf, what was the reason the bathing platform was replaced? Did it also break? I find it worrying that this decease affects other models too. I have not contacted Hanse in Germany. I had enough of contact with them in previous years to make them understand the gravity of the problem. I have reported the cracks to my dealer and the reaction has been the expected. I will therefore have to make it a legal case. Johan  ------------- http://www.johanhackman.se" rel="nofollow - http://www.johanhackman.se |
Posted By: kirkelund
Date Posted: 11 October 2010 at 19:21
Yeah - you look great, Johan, thanks to Christel Concerning the platform it really would be nice to hear the experiences of Ralf / Stella Nova and others as well. Maybe we / someone could give Hanse some advice. "User driven innovation" is a hot topic among innovation experts - or so I have heard As I said, I like the design. It is very simple and functional so it is shame the material won't hold. Are there any members of this forum who know what the core material of the platform is made of? It seems quite heavy. Ole, |
Posted By: Johan Hackman
Date Posted: 11 October 2010 at 19:45
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I agree that it is very heavy. I have been told that later versions (such as mine) have been reinforced with an aluminium frame but that should not really make it so heavy. I will try to look through the cracks to try to establish what the core material is.
I would be good to collect other people's experiences in this thread. Johan ------------- http://www.johanhackman.se" rel="nofollow - http://www.johanhackman.se |
Posted By: shaukaas
Date Posted: 11 October 2010 at 22:39
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Skimming through the forum during a boring night-shift at work, suddenly made me realize that I've totally forgot my complaint about my bathing platform to be replaced. Sorry to read your experiences; I was hoping to get this out of the world too! Now it seems like me and Mr Schmidt will become better friends than I expected, and what he'd predicted makin my 320 in '08. ------------- S/Y Nadun - Hanse 320#171 LG3600 - NOR13510 |
Posted By: Stella*Nova
Date Posted: 12 October 2010 at 13:49
Unfortunately yes, the breaks were not so big than yours but clear to see, so Hanse Germany changed the platform this spring. The new one looks more solid but the weight is reduced - hope this will not break again. ------------- BR Ralf, Ex. 'a mare' H370 |
Johan Hackman wrote:Posted By: Matros
Date Posted: 19 October 2010 at 10:00
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Johan,
So sorry to hear that it broke, again.
Our platform still holds though.
Mats ------------- S/Y Rosetta, Hanse 342 # 245 Definition: boat, a hole in the surface of water, into which money is thrown. |
Posted By: Stella*Nova
Date Posted: 08 November 2010 at 14:13
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Johan, whats the reaction of Hanse regarding your broken platform after 4 weeks duration? ------------- BR Ralf, Ex. 'a mare' H370 |
Posted By: Johan Hackman
Date Posted: 09 November 2010 at 10:51
I have reported the issue to my dealer and their reaction was to tell me that the two-year warranty has expired. I don't disagree with that, but on the other hand I did not refer to the warranty but the consumer law we have in Sweden.
I will try to explain how the law works in this case. It might mostly be interesting for people who have bought their boat in my country, but perhaps it will be interesting to others too, for comparison.
First of all, we get free advice from our local consumer counsellor (kommunala konsumentvägledningen) so I have checked everything I will say below with them.
My dealer, RTC Boats AB, have merged with another company, RTC Båtkontakten AB. From a legal perspective they can claim that the company no longer exists and that I therefore cannot claim anything against them. Paragraph 46 in the consumer law says that in that case I can approach the next dealer in the chain of dealer (näringsidkare i tidigare säljled) which in this case is Bryggan i Väst AB.
Paragraph 23 in the consumer law says that you have the right to file a complaint within three years of the purchase. This is very important to keep in mind since most people think that the two-year warranty issued by Hanse is the time limit. A warranty is different from the consumer law in that it is a volunteer commitment to ensure the quality of a product.
In the preparations of the law it is also written that the three-year right to complain also should embrace a rectification. In my case it has been less than three years since my bathing platform was last replaced. The reason it was replaced was that the previous ones cracked and since this one has cracked as well the rectification was unsuccesful.
In my country we also have a public board called National Board for Consumer Complaint (Allmänna Reklamationsnämnden) which handle disputes between consumers and sellers free of charge. The matter is now awaiting their trial.
The way I see it I have the Swedish consumer law on my side and I intend to use it. I see no reason whatsoever why I should accept that parts of my boat should crack.
To read more: http://www.konsumentverket.se/sv/otherlanguages/English/Consumer-rights/Defective-goodsComplaint-/ - http://www.konsumentverket.se/sv/otherlanguages/English/Consumer-rights/Defective-goodsComplaint-/
and http://www.arn.se/Other-languages/English/ - http://www.arn.se/Other-languages/English/
Johan
PS. It would be very interesting to hear about the consumer laws in other countries.
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Posted By: Markku
Date Posted: 09 November 2010 at 16:00
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Johan,
In Finland we have very similar consumer law than in Sweden. Typically the consumer have rights to complain of unexpected product failures after manufacturers' or resellers' normal warranty period has expired. How long is this time will depend on type of the product and its purpose of use. It may vary from 2 to 5 years (some technical devices) and in some cases (a house or an apartment) even to 10 years. However these cases are typically handled based on case by case and followed by recommendations of the consumer authorities (their help and advices are also free). Obvious reason there is that reseller would not easily take responsibility after warranty period. Intention of the law is therefore to protect consumers more than the standard warranty periods do based on expected normal product life time. I recall we had this opportunity before EU but it has been made stronger ever since.
I do hope you will get your case solved in the best way. It would be good to find the root cause of this failure to prevent it occuring again but that's up to Hanse Yacht.
Cheers,
Markku ------------- S/Y Flow Hanse 371 |
Posted By: Stella*Nova
Date Posted: 09 November 2010 at 16:12
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Thanks for updating, Johan. I'll cross my fingers for you.
I'm not a lawyer but afaik has each repair a 2 years warranty as well to avoid that defect parts or work will be delivered in the repair process. So I will check my (replaced) bathing platform very accurate next year if there are any cracks again. ------------- BR Ralf, Ex. 'a mare' H370 |
Posted By: CharlesP
Date Posted: 12 November 2010 at 21:52
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In England we have an overiding law that the goods must be "fit for purpose". So they must last a reasonable time. Defects that could not be discovered from a reasonable inspection and which only showed after a period of time would be repaired/replaced. I think certain window problems fall under this which is why replacement work has been done even though the warranty period has expired.
Nevertheless, sellers would invariably initially try to restrict their liability to the warranty period. Charles ------------- 'MERIDIAN LADY' 320 Nr 536 2010 Medway |
Posted By: Johan Hackman
Date Posted: 18 April 2011 at 14:22
I think it is time for an update. 
A few days ago I finally received the decision from Allmänna reklamationsnämnden. They recommended RTC Båtkontakten AB to rectify the problems with my bathing platform. They also concluded that since RTC Båtkontakten AB has replied to my application they have taken over the responsibilities from the company I bought my boat from, RTC Boats AB. I shall therefore not direct my complaints to the importer Bryggan i Väst AB. (See my explanations of the consumer law in my previous post) 
Allmänna reklamationsnämnden issues recommendations that are not legally binding. RTC Båtkontakten AB is however obliged by their membership in Sweboat to follow any recommendations. 
I will probably write a bit more about the case in the future but if anyone is interested in reading the documents (in Swedish) feel free to contact me at mailto:johan@johanhackman.se - johan@johanhackman.se . Johan ------------- http://www.johanhackman.se" rel="nofollow - http://www.johanhackman.se |
Posted By: Johan Hackman
Date Posted: 13 May 2011 at 08:37
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It is time for yet another update.
It has now been four weeks since the involved parties got the decision from the Allmänna reklamationsnämnden (National Board for Consumer Complaints) in their hands and my dealer, RTC Båtkontakten AB, has done nothing to rectify the problem with my bathing platform. Allmänna reklamationsnämnden has asked me to get back to them within a month from when the decision was issued and that is today. Since my dealer has not lived up to the decision they will end up on the black list of the Swedish consumer magazine "Råd & Rön" and will loose their membership in Sweboat. I will now consider the alternatives, which includes going to court. The decision from Allmänna reklamationsnämnden will help a lot in that process. What might be interesting for other 342 owners with a broken bathing platform is that Allmänna reklamationsnämnden concluded that the cracks is the result of a design fault, see picture below. This means that it is not just my bathing platform that is affected. To Swedish owners it might also be interesting to read the part from the decision in my previous post about "misslyckat avhjälpningsförsök" - unsuccessful attempt to rectification. If you have had your bathing platform replaced and it still cracks you still have the right to get it rectified. Since it is due to a design fault you also have the right to have the platform modified in order to make it "fit for purpose". Johan  ------------- http://www.johanhackman.se" rel="nofollow - http://www.johanhackman.se |
Posted By: Raptor
Date Posted: 13 May 2011 at 19:40
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Johan,
I too have some issues with my bathingplstform. When I took it up with my local dealer he told me that Hanse doesn't deliver the bathingplstform anymore. In addition, he also told me that you will loose your CE "certificate" (or classification) if you install the bathingplatform. Apparently, the bathingplatform prevent sufficient water to leave the cockpit in an emergency. Have never been told this before. I installed it due to having small kids onboard and additional "safety". My boat is a Hanse 320. |
Posted By: kirkelund
Date Posted: 13 May 2011 at 20:46
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Hi Raptor Giving up on delivering bathing platforms may be a wise decision by Hanse given the fact that they can't fix the problems with them. That your boat would loose it's CE certificate is, however, highly questionable. Frankly speaking, I don't believe that for one second. I do not want to suggest that your local dealer is an outright liar, but if they think this explanation will get them off the hook, they are VERY wrong  On the contrary, if you were not informed about this before you ordered your platfom they would probably be obliged to remove it and pay your money back. So in my opinion, your dealer (and Hanse) are just digging the hole, in which they are already standing, even deeper Ole, |
Posted By: Johan Hackman
Date Posted: 15 May 2011 at 19:35
When the 342 was introduced you could choose between the closed transom found on the preceding 341 or the folding transom that I choose. Both the 342 and the 341 are CE Ocean A certified with cockpit drains. Only when my boat had been delivered Hanse started to make 342s where the transom would be open and a bathing platform optional to an additional cost. I think the least you should expect from a CE Ocean A certified boat is that no part of it will break if you stand on it. This includes the bathing platform. I suspect the statement from your dealer is just "salesman talk". I have heard it too many times myself to believe in anything they say. Johan ------------- http://www.johanhackman.se" rel="nofollow - http://www.johanhackman.se |
Posted By: Johan Hackman
Date Posted: 21 May 2011 at 19:54
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My dealer has now picked up the bathing platform and has told me the intention is to rectify the design fault so that I will not have any future problems. I think that would be for the better for all parties involved. Being a wise man, I am not setting my hopes very high before I have seen the result though.
I have also been told that the yard is somehow involved but I have not had that confirmed nor do I think it is very probable. Johan ------------- http://www.johanhackman.se" rel="nofollow - http://www.johanhackman.se |
Posted By: Johan Hackman
Date Posted: 13 June 2011 at 10:00
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My bathing platform has eventually been repaired and modified and is now mounted on my boat. I hope it will never break again and that this is the last chapter in this sad saga. The plastic around the cracks was removed and it was established that the laminate was quite thin (which can be seen if you look carefully at the second picture) and that the core material consisted of "foam". I was told by the company that did the repair that they were "not surprised that the platform had broken, they were surprised that it had not happened earlier". The foam was removed 7-8 centimetres in from the edges and replaced with solid glass fibre laminate. This gives a very strong L-shaped reinforcement on both sides. I was told that "if it ever breaks again, it will not break there". The repair itself is invisible and professionally done. At one point it looked like the platform would be sent to the Hanse yard and that they would use it as a template to build a new one like the ones built for "newer models". I asked around and found that owners with "newer models" also have problems so it was decided it was better to have the job done in Sweden. I also asked Hanse Yachts to specify how today's methods would ensure a bathing platform that will not break but got no reply. I had earlier been told that later models of the bathing platform have been reinforced with an aluminium frame. No such frame was detected during the operation so I am beginning to doubt it. If this is the final solution to my bathing platform problem, this is how my bathing platform should have been built already in 2005 when I bought my boat. It is also the way all bathing platforms on all Hanses should be built. It is just a shame they aren't. Johan 
------------- http://www.johanhackman.se" rel="nofollow - http://www.johanhackman.se |
Posted By: kirkelund
Date Posted: 14 June 2011 at 05:58
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Hi Johan Such an L-shaped reinforcement seems to be a good idea - very sensible. It will probably work well. Good luck with it  Do you have a picture of the final result? After having repaired my anchor locker drain (sucessfully I hope) I might just consider doing this operation myself Ole, |
Posted By: Johan Hackman
Date Posted: 14 June 2011 at 09:26
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Ole, here's a picture of the final result. You can hardly detect the repair.
Another thing I will do is to shorten the stainless support to make the bathing platform level and possibly put some protection on the transom. The platform is quite heavy and has left marks on the transom. Johan  ------------- http://www.johanhackman.se" rel="nofollow - http://www.johanhackman.se |
Posted By: MarcoC
Date Posted: 14 June 2011 at 10:03
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Glad to hear that you finally got it solved and hopefully it is the last time it will breake! Who did the job? Clearly someone that knows how to do a good job. Have you already stepped on the platform? ------------- "Älva" Hanse 370#671 Stockholm, Sweden http://www.wesailhanse.se" rel="nofollow - www.wesailhanse.se big wheel, deep draught iron keel, 3 cabins,Yanmar 3JH4E, Sparcraft rig. |
Posted By: Johan Hackman
Date Posted: 14 June 2011 at 11:12
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The job was done by a guy who works with plastic repairs at Brohäll Marin. He did an excellent job in repairing my http://www.myhanse.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1426&PN=4 - anchor locker a few years ago.
No, have not stepped on it yet. I don't think I will dare to do it.
Johan ------------- http://www.johanhackman.se" rel="nofollow - http://www.johanhackman.se |
Posted By: skipper
Date Posted: 14 June 2011 at 12:41
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Johan Our 342 from 2005 should have the same white colour code as Emilia has and I have a subscription on PBO (with other words I will do the repairs myself) so I wonder if you know the colour code of the topcoat? Is it Signal White · RAL 9003 Standard ? ------------- Cheers, Skipper Former owner of Hanse 342 2005 (Sparcraft mast, white hull, wheel steering, deep draft keel, short rudder) |
Posted By: Johan Hackman
Date Posted: 14 June 2011 at 14:13
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I like the "PBO joke". I ended my subscription when I bought my boat brand new because I thought I would not need advice how to repair it.
The reason why I have written about The National Board of Consumer Complaints etc in this thread is that I want other buyers (particularly in Sweden, of course) to be aware that warranty and consumer laws are two different things that complement each other. The warranty expires after two years but the consumer law applies for three. If an attempt to rectification has failed there is no expiration time according to the decision from ARN, see previous page in this thread. ("Någon treårsfrist finns således inte att ta hänsyn till i detta fall...") I can think of several Hanse problems, for example failed rudder blades and leaking windows, where you could file a complaint within three years and, if the rectification was unsuccessful, have the right to have it rectified again. There is no "two-year-warranty" limit in this case. What I am trying to say is that in the case of my bathing platform I am not planning to pick up my PBO subscription. I see no reason to repair it myself should it break another time.
Now for your question. The deck colour of Emilia is not white, it is creme. If I moor next to a white Hanse 342 (as in the picture of Emilia and Amani below) the other boat will look much cleaner. On the other hand, I will not be dazzled by the sun shining on the deck. So I am sorry, I cannot help you with the colour code but I am sure someone will step in for me. Johan 
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Posted By: Matros
Date Posted: 14 June 2011 at 14:24
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In my humble opinion it is very difficult to get an angle of 90 degrees to be strong enough. I'm a bit surprised that they didn’t construct a 45 degree angle piece like the one you already have on the platforms “other 90 degree angle”. ------------- S/Y Rosetta, Hanse 342 # 245 Definition: boat, a hole in the surface of water, into which money is thrown. |
Posted By: Interlude
Date Posted: 20 June 2011 at 08:15
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The colour code info I have for the 342 gellcoat is "white 3101". The source was www.scottbader.com/pub.nsf
------------- Interlude 342#241 |
Posted By: Interlude
Date Posted: 20 June 2011 at 08:21
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BTW, I am really pleased I was not offered the swim platform when I ordered my 342. Maybe the local agent knew something I have added a timber infil tor the small "U" shaped pipe which supports the ladder on the transom. This makes it much easier on the feet when boarding from a dinghy when the ladder is up or down, as the 25mm diameter rungs are hard on bare feet. I have also added a timber step to the top rung of the ladder for the same reason.
------------- Interlude 342#241 |
Posted By: Johan Hackman
Date Posted: 02 July 2011 at 15:50
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While hoping that my bathing platform will never break again I want to let you all know that I am very happy with the feature. It can even be folded down while sailing if the weather is fine, as can be seen in the picture below.
Greetings from Åland! Johan  ------------- http://www.johanhackman.se" rel="nofollow - http://www.johanhackman.se |
Posted By: MarcoC
Date Posted: 04 July 2011 at 10:58
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Nice picture as usuall J! Have you tried to stand on the plattform yourself so you know it holds more weight than your daughters ;) Will you be in Åland for a long time? We start vacation on friday and have not yet decided in which direction to go. ------------- "Älva" Hanse 370#671 Stockholm, Sweden http://www.wesailhanse.se" rel="nofollow - www.wesailhanse.se big wheel, deep draught iron keel, 3 cabins,Yanmar 3JH4E, Sparcraft rig. |
Posted By: Reymius
Date Posted: 04 July 2011 at 13:01
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Top!!!, nice view, hopefully for ever!!! Good luck ------------- Let them sing |
Posted By: holby
Date Posted: 08 July 2011 at 20:06
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great picture, does this mean the platform is ready for me to fill my kettle in August? ------------- Hanse 301, tiller steering, Volvo 2010 (10hp) 
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Posted By: Johan Hackman
Date Posted: 08 July 2011 at 20:09
Yes, I have carefully stepped on the bathing platform and have seen no cracks so far.
While spending time in Mariehamn I saw one 370 and one 400 moored with the stern to the pontoon with their bathing platforms folded down to make stepping ashore easier. It would have looked really elegant if it was not for the cracks on both sides of both platforms. We are now in Åbo, Finland. Do pop over if you feel like it. Johan ------------- http://www.johanhackman.se" rel="nofollow - http://www.johanhackman.se |
Posted By: franko
Date Posted: 10 July 2011 at 17:37
Thought you might like this picture Johan . Greetings from Agersö. |
Posted By: Johan Hackman
Date Posted: 23 July 2011 at 18:20
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You gotta remember that the 342 bathing platform is the favourite place for the ship's dog. I don't think the 495 can match the 342 in that respect.
Johan  ------------- http://www.johanhackman.se" rel="nofollow - http://www.johanhackman.se |
Posted By: Johan Hackman
Date Posted: 27 April 2012 at 10:43
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I am deleting one of my YouTube accounts so if you want to watch the below video clip, now is the time to do it. The clip was recorded in December 2006, more than a year after I had reported the broken bathing platform to my dealer. I sent the clip to Greifswald hoping that they would be quicker in solving the problem than my dealer was. When my bathing platform broke again and I had to make it a legal matter (see the previous pages in this thread), my dealer's lawyer claimed that I had used the bathing platform as a "trampoline" and that this could be seen in a video that I had posted on my web site. You can judge for yourself if you think I am using it as a trampoline in the video. I admit that the bathing platform bounces like a trampoline though. Johan
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Posted By: Johan Hackman
Date Posted: 27 April 2012 at 11:41
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Please note that the documents I have posted are public documents available to anyone. Also note that I own the copyright to the video and the bathing platform in the video. I have no moral or legal obligation to stop myself from showing the material to anyone. The decision not to solve my bathing platform problems swiftly and the decision to tell ARN that I had used my bathing platform as a trampoline were however not mine. Johan ------------- http://www.johanhackman.se" rel="nofollow - http://www.johanhackman.se |
Posted By: superliga
Date Posted: 27 April 2012 at 12:20
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What a shame it does'nt work. I think the only way that construction will hold a grown up man it if you have supporting wires connected from the corners of the unfolded platform to the pushpit or stern some where. A bit like we have on the 470 platform. I hope you have luck with the complaint. ------------- PEARL - S/Y SUPERLIGA - HANSE 470 e - Hull #168 - hanse470.com |
Posted By: Johan Hackman
Date Posted: 27 April 2012 at 12:39
Thank you, but you don't have to wish me good luck. My bathing platform problem has been solved and that is why I will be deleting the video clip. If you look at http://www.myhanse.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=4452&PN=3&title=broken-bathing-platform-again" rel="nofollow - the third page of this thread you will see how it was done. Johan ------------- http://www.johanhackman.se" rel="nofollow - http://www.johanhackman.se |
Posted By: superliga
Date Posted: 27 April 2012 at 13:56
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Oh - got it now Hope is holds up - otherwise consider the supporting wires. ------------- PEARL - S/Y SUPERLIGA - HANSE 470 e - Hull #168 - hanse470.com |
Posted By: JohnA
Date Posted: 27 April 2012 at 15:22
I show two photos of the bathing platform on my 320, which seems to be a better design than that shown on Johan's video. It is fitted with two struts which support the platform when in the used position. Thus, the platform part is better supported from the transom and the cantilever effect is reduced and does not depend so much on the bottom elbow of the platform to support the platform weight and that of anyone standing on it. The second photo shows that the bottom of the platform is held off the transom by the two struts. The effect it to make a better designed platform, and I wonder if Hanse have now applied this design to the 340's.  Please note that the second photo was taken when we actually had some nice sun and nice weather in Brixham. Maybe it will return one day! Regards, John ------------- Hanse 320 #464 'Discovery' |
Posted By: kirkelund
Date Posted: 27 April 2012 at 20:19
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Hi John My bathing platform is equipped with the same kind of strut as yours and it definitely helps supporting the platform, but I am not convinced it will save the platform from developing any cracks. I will monitor my platform closely anyway. @Johan. If I remember correctly your new platform is also equipped with this strut - right? Ole, ------------- Kirkelund "Amani" Lynetten, Copenhagen, Denmark Hanse 342 (grey hull, wheel steering, deep draft keel, Jefa rudder - RUD34) |
Posted By: Johan Hackman
Date Posted: 27 April 2012 at 21:31
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Yes, that is true. The first replacement platform I got came with the same support that we can see in John's picture. I don't think an uneven distribution of loads is the cause of the cracks. I have heard the argument before that the first platforms only had one single point of support but in my opinion that is just a way of fooling us owners. The Hanse bathing platforms are badly made, period. I have seen a 470 bathing platform (that is completely different from the 342 platform in its design) that was delaminated. An ugly sight. Last summer I was moored at the same pontoon as a 370 and a 400 and they both were moored stern-to with their platforms down and they both showed disgraceful cracks. It is just a shame that Hanse did not learn from the input they got from 342 owners. I tried to make my voice heard but it did not seem to make any difference. Johan ------------- http://www.johanhackman.se" rel="nofollow - http://www.johanhackman.se |
Posted By: Johan Hackman
Date Posted: 07 June 2017 at 21:37
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It's time for an update. Another six years have passed since my bathing platform problem was "finally solved". I am happy to say that the cracks have not reappeared. It is now strong enough to be used as initially intended. However, some new cracks have appeared along the hinges. As the hinges are screwed into an aluminium plate moulded into the GRP, and the stress is great in this part of the platform, this part has kind of separated. The solution, as seen in the picture below, is to pull the screws all the way through with a washer and a nut on the other side. Johan  ------------- http://www.johanhackman.se" rel="nofollow - http://www.johanhackman.se |
Posted By: kirkelund
Date Posted: 08 June 2017 at 19:34
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Hi Johan Yep - that must be the best (only) solution even if the nuts stick out a bit. No surprise, I have exactly the same cracks on the exact same spot on my platform. So maybe it's time for me to do the same operations as the ones you did  Ole, ------------- Kirkelund "Amani" Lynetten, Copenhagen, Denmark Hanse 342 (grey hull, wheel steering, deep draft keel, Jefa rudder - RUD34) |
Posted By: Johan Hackman
Date Posted: 08 June 2017 at 20:56
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In fact, as I moor stern-to during the winter, the nuts might be a good place to put your foot when you enter the boat. I can hardly wait for the winter to find out if I am right. Johan PS. Just joking. I am not looking forward to next winter. ------------- http://www.johanhackman.se" rel="nofollow - http://www.johanhackman.se |
Posted By: kirkelund
Date Posted: 09 June 2017 at 19:34
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Well, you are famous for breaking ice ...... also when sailing Ole, ------------- Kirkelund "Amani" Lynetten, Copenhagen, Denmark Hanse 342 (grey hull, wheel steering, deep draft keel, Jefa rudder - RUD34) |
Posted By: Johan Hackman
Date Posted: 10 June 2017 at 07:50
It's interesting to hear that you have experienced cracks in the same are. Are there other 342 owners reading this thread that have experienced the same thing? And what about the cracks on the sides of the plaform around the 90 degree angles? Do you have any cracks in those areas, Ole? Johan ------------- http://www.johanhackman.se" rel="nofollow - http://www.johanhackman.se |
Posted By: Luna342
Date Posted: 12 June 2017 at 16:46
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I just purchased a 2006 342 and this thread was very helpful. I still have to decide how to correct the issue. The cracks for me are on the lower 90 degree (when lowered) on both sides. The upper 90 and hinges are fine. Mine is a little different that Johans . I do not have the cockpit drain holes or the additional 45 degree supports which I would like to add. -Steve
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Posted By: kirkelund
Date Posted: 12 June 2017 at 18:59
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@Johan @Steve, Luna342 (welcome to the forum )Johan, the cracks om my platform are still very small, so I am just keeping an eye on them. They are not nearly as visible as the ones on yours, Steve. They are mostly centered around the hinges. Interesting that you don't have any drain holes. Mine has two of these very similar to Johans. BTW, my platform was mounted by the retailer in Plymouth where I purchased my boat in 2009 when it was three years old. Ole, ------------- Kirkelund "Amani" Lynetten, Copenhagen, Denmark Hanse 342 (grey hull, wheel steering, deep draft keel, Jefa rudder - RUD34) |
Posted By: Borjebus
Date Posted: 13 June 2017 at 20:22
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My strongest recommendation is to remove the original platform and replace with something like I did on my 370, inspired by Marco. It saves your back and makes it easy to handle things on the aft. It is also a lot easier to get out of the water if something unfortunate happens. To hide holes from hinges and the old ladder I added three pieces of teak - looks very nice.  ------------- BÄSK, Hanse 370e #82 from 2006, Yanmar 3JH4E/SD50, 3-blade Flexofold, RMC(Lewmar) 185 Bowthruster, Vulcan 9, Simrad+B&G instruments |
Posted By: Sea-U
Date Posted: 14 June 2017 at 10:01
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I like the original platform. Good place to relax. And it also hides the gas-lockers from sun. On my 370E from 2008 they have added a reinforcement on both sides in the moulds. If I had the old ones I think I would have made something in stainless and bolted with totally 4 bolts and 4 nuts. ------------- Sea-U is a 370e #532 located SW Norway
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Posted By: kirkelund
Date Posted: 16 June 2017 at 19:17
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Hi Borjebus The platfom looks great. It's a more traditional (and proven) construction, so it will probably last Actually it also provides a little more space in the cockpit, which is nice while in the harbour (I often lower mine when in harbour). However, I like the closed transom when sailing.... and so does my dog, "Dante". It is his favourite hiding place when sailing and I don't want to "cancel" his little "cave". See below (pictures are from his first season at sea).  Ole,   ------------- Kirkelund "Amani" Lynetten, Copenhagen, Denmark Hanse 342 (grey hull, wheel steering, deep draft keel, Jefa rudder - RUD34) |
Posted By: Johan Hackman
Date Posted: 17 June 2017 at 21:05
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Ole, what great pictures of Dante! If you browse back to the previous page in this thread you will find a similar picture of my late dog Stampe. His favourite place when sailing was under the bathing platform. For me, the bathing platform was a great selling point when I choose the Hanse 342 in 2005. Now, twelve years later, I still love it. It is good to have a closed transom while sailing and the platform gives such great access to the water. My daughter frequently has friends aboard and they swim from the platform like mad. Johan PS. Here is a picture from a few weeks ago when we made the shortest weekend trip ever - just 1,4 M in two days. We circumnavigated the island just opposite the marina. Isabel and a friend are waiting for me to row them ashore.  ------------- http://www.johanhackman.se" rel="nofollow - http://www.johanhackman.se |
Posted By: kirkelund
Date Posted: 18 June 2017 at 21:11
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Thanks, Johan Yes, I do recall that this was also Stampes favourite hiding place Ole ------------- Kirkelund "Amani" Lynetten, Copenhagen, Denmark Hanse 342 (grey hull, wheel steering, deep draft keel, Jefa rudder - RUD34) |
Posted By: #hansesally
Date Posted: 27 July 2017 at 13:20
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Struts: Is there some sort of ‘retro-fit’ available, since I´m missing these struts on my 342? I´d like to install these struts to obtain a 90 degree open platform (and for additional support).
Cheers
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Posted By: MarcoC
Date Posted: 27 July 2017 at 14:12
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Hi! I think I might have few of those in my spare part box. Remind me 7th of August earliest and I'll check. Marco ------------- "Älva" Hanse 370#671 Stockholm, Sweden http://www.wesailhanse.se" rel="nofollow - www.wesailhanse.se big wheel, deep draught iron keel, 3 cabins,Yanmar 3JH4E, Sparcraft rig. |
Posted By: #hansesally
Date Posted: 28 July 2017 at 08:44
Thanks Marco, will do ;-) ------------- #hansesally H342 c/n 295 Denmark |
Posted By: HansOesterdal
Date Posted: 28 December 2021 at 11:11
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Hi All, I bought my Hanse 342 some years back, and it did not come with the bathing platform installed at all. Does anyone know where or if it is possible to buy this bathing platform/bench somewhere? Im actually only interested in the bench functionality (not that much having a bathing platform), because it feels quite exposed while sailing the boat without any bench plate to enclose the cockpit area. Hope someone can help!  |
Posted By: Interlude
Date Posted: 31 December 2021 at 02:48
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If you can't buy what you want, I think it would be possible to build a solution. I would cut a board to slot vertically into the two drain cutouts either side of the open transom, with a narrower bottom piece to reach to the floor of the cockpit, and maybe cutouts for drainage?. You could add a horizontal bench seat to the top, with bracing supports. Maybe solid plywood with epoxy paint. I had not realized there appear to be three transom styles for the 342, mine (#241, built December 2004) has a full transom (wheel steered), Johann has a open transom filled by a swim platform when it it not broken (tiller steered), and you appear to have the open transom without the filler. Strange. Good luck. ------------- Interlude 342#241 |
Posted By: Johan Hackman
Date Posted: 31 December 2021 at 08:24
I think that when the 342 was introduced I was built after the 341 that had the closed transom. If I remember it correctly I could choose between the closed transom and the newly introduced bathing platform when I got my 342 in 2005. Later years the option was the bathing platform and if you didn't choose that you would get the open transom. The closed transom option was then no longer available. My bathing platform has not been broken since I got it fixed once and for all and I enjoy it immensely. Johan ------------- http://www.johanhackman.se" rel="nofollow - http://www.johanhackman.se |
Posted By: kirkelund
Date Posted: 31 December 2021 at 15:49
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When I bought my Hanse 342 (second hand) in Plymouth UK back in 2009, it also had an open transom. But the dealer luckily had a spare one in stock and I got installed before I sailed it to Copenhagen, Denmark where I live. Allegedly the fitting was a bit of a drama. But it still works even if some small crakings at the hinges have appeared over the years. It will be interesting to se if you can find a solution! Ole, ------------- Kirkelund "Amani" Lynetten, Copenhagen, Denmark Hanse 342 (grey hull, wheel steering, deep draft keel, Jefa rudder - RUD34) |
Posted By: Reymius
Date Posted: 06 September 2022 at 11:08
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Hi Johan Hoping you are doing good. One year ago I had the same problem, as I
heard from you a possible solution I gave to my dealer the way to solve it, unfortunately
one year later , the platform is broken again, did you experience the same? or
its the problem fixed? Please if you have any suggestion ,it will
be welcome!! Many thanks in advance!!! Regards Marc ------------- Let them sing |
Posted By: Johan Hackman
Date Posted: 06 September 2022 at 11:45
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Marc, If you back to page 3 in this thread you will see how it was solved once and for all. This is regarding the "upper knee" (when the platform is in its down position"). I haven't had a problem with that for the last decade or so and I am very happy for that. The bathing platform is the great feature of the Hanse 342 as it was meant to be in the first place. The main problem used to be the "lower knee" (again when in the down position) and that was eventually solved by Hanse by adding supports that also can be seen in my pictures. I have not had any cracks there either. On page 3 you can see some cracks around the hinges and what I did to make sure they wouldn't make the entire platform come off. You don't mention in what area you platform is broken but if you let me know I might help. Johan ------------- http://www.johanhackman.se" rel="nofollow - http://www.johanhackman.se |
Posted By: Reymius
Date Posted: 06 September 2022 at 12:17
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Hi Johan Thanks for your qucik reaction, as I told you, the fiber guy tryed to solve this issue following your descriptions and pictures (Page 3), so probably something was missing...... I don't have pictures right now, but i's brokenon the same place as you had broken initially Anyway I will try to solve again Thanks one more time!! ------------- Let them sing |
Posted By: Jojo
Date Posted: 20 March 2023 at 06:48
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hello friends Today I purchased a new bathplatform to our 342 I went the Batsystem route (35 series) The feeling of a platform that is useful in multiple ways not only for easy access to the boat Actually 2 persons can sit and relax together The rubber boat can easily be stored resting on the platform upright under sailing in the Swedish archipelago To my surprise the original wasn’t useful and quite heavy handled for my family I must say the boat feels larger only by removing the old platform (like the open sight backwards) as we have the tiller version To all that being in doubt to remove the old and make it more usable It’s a affordable option instead of a repair or original replacement 155 x 45 cm is a lot extra space Regards jonas ------------- 3 Cabin, Hanse 342, Deep draft, Tiller version. |
Posted By: Jojo
Date Posted: 08 April 2023 at 21:50
today I installed the bathplatform tomorrow I will remove the old one   I really like a open rear Regards Jonas
------------- 3 Cabin, Hanse 342, Deep draft, Tiller version. |
Posted By: JanD
Date Posted: 27 October 2023 at 16:14
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Hi Jonas, do you still have the removed platform? i am looking for one JanD ------------- Hanse 342 - 2006 - wheel-system |
Posted By: Jojo
Date Posted: 28 October 2023 at 01:08
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Message sent as pm ------------- 3 Cabin, Hanse 342, Deep draft, Tiller version. |
Posted By: Marlene
Date Posted: 10 January 2025 at 14:08
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Dear all, I also like you to join my
experience ------------- 342 , deep draft , tiller, 2 cabin version |
with the broken platform problem. Buying my 342 three years ago and
having the same problems I luckily found Johan´s repair instructions still
visible on page 3 . The broken areas and the foam have been removed with an
8mm drilling mill tool roundabout 40mm deep and then filled up with epoxy resin,
glass fiber fabrics and stainless-steel wrinkles (see arrows in the picture) in
order to increase the bending strength of the structure . Now two seasons later
there are still no cracks visible, and I still cross my fingers.Posted By: Johan Hackman
Date Posted: 14 January 2025 at 08:33
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It is good to hear that the method used on my bathing plaform is used by others! It proves that this forum is a useful place. I note that you used this method along the entire side of the platform. I think this is wise. Good job! Johan ------------- http://www.johanhackman.se" rel="nofollow - http://www.johanhackman.se |
Posted By: Marlene
Date Posted: 14 January 2026 at 18:23
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Dear All, at the end of the last season I unfortunately find again cracks on both sides of the platform. So my repair measures didn`t succeed longer than 2 years. One time last summer the platform rope slipped through my hand and whole platform slammed down. That may inniately caused the damages but at the end the problem is the weak strength of the hinges. It would be great to have some ideas for a reinforcement construction. As far as I understand Hanse delivered an improved version in the later years with some stainless fittings. Any pictures available ? ------------- 342 , deep draft , tiller, 2 cabin version |