replacing self taking jib
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Topic: replacing self taking jib
Posted By: echoofwight
Subject: replacing self taking jib
Date Posted: 31 May 2011 at 20:10
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Hi, I have the original self tacking jib made by East Sails and I think it has come to the end of its useful life. I would be interested in any experiences of replacing the original sail. Any opinions on design and fabric would be gratefully received. Also any recommended sail-makers would be appreciated.
I would like to consider an overlapping genoa but I need to replace it with another self tacker as Mrs Echo would leave me otherwise.
thanks in advance
------------- Steve. Hanse 341 Echo of Wight, . Deep draft and rudder, white hull, Single aft cabin. Raymarine instruments. Raymarine radar. Garmin AIS. Wheel Steering, Portsmouth. |
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Posted By: rtchina
Date Posted: 01 June 2011 at 10:23
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Had the same issue on my 430 so replaced it with a sail designed by a Canadian who recommended a battened jib. Was a bit dubious but it works really well, without the constant leech flutter previous experienced. ------------- 430e Ella Jane - Greece |
Posted By: kirkelund
Date Posted: 01 June 2011 at 20:18
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Hi A new jib is on my wish list too (my jib is from North sails, 2006). I am thinking of Elvström Epex with vertical battens or maybe a "Glider" from the Swedish sailmaker Gran Segel. Ole Kirkelund "Amani" Ishøj, Denmark |
Posted By: holby
Date Posted: 01 June 2011 at 22:44
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Steve, I have been looking this year for a replacement to my self tacking jib for my 301, after discussing my requirements with many sailmakers i have deceided on a material called Hydranet, Dyneema woven as a material. Crusader were ofering the best price, seemilngly the best service, and most of the people I spoke to reccomended either Crusader or North Sails, but Crusader gave a 5 yr guarntee, and they also commented that with the dyneema material it should last in practice about 30,000 miles. Unfortunatly due to the extra expenditure i have had this year with the Three Peaks Yacht Race, Sue has suggested that I leave this until next year. Dave ------------- Hanse 301, tiller steering, Volvo 2010 (10hp) 
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Posted By: BlueNote2
Date Posted: 02 June 2011 at 21:34
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Just to add, I had sails from crusader several years ago and can thoroughly recommend not only the sails but the service as well
Steve ------------- http://www.whyboats.com/brokerage-boats/boat-details.php?BoatID=4269677 |
Posted By: holby
Date Posted: 02 June 2011 at 22:21
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Oh yes, Steve, I forgot to mention that the quote from Crusader included vertical battens. Dave ------------- Hanse 301, tiller steering, Volvo 2010 (10hp)
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Posted By: echoofwight
Date Posted: 03 June 2011 at 10:23
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thanks for the replies, i have a quote from crusader and have used them before and always been pleased. They seemed to fully understand that the requirments of a sail tacking jib are not the same as an overlapping genoa. I have another quote from a compony who have specified a normal sail with no battens and without an adjustable clew block. The adjustable clew block is essential for a self tacker i think.
Any forther comments or thoughts gratefully received
Steve ------------- Steve. Hanse 341 Echo of Wight, . Deep draft and rudder, white hull, Single aft cabin. Raymarine instruments. Raymarine radar. Garmin AIS. Wheel Steering, Portsmouth. |
Posted By: Markku
Date Posted: 04 June 2011 at 18:45
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Steve,
Have you consider a combined ST/105...108% jib to get some overlap and possibility to reef for st use? I have a friend who has that type of sail on his Hanse 400 and he likes it a lot. Local North has also made those sails. North offers those with vertical batten, luff for reefing and ultraviolet protection for edges. Sounds like good solution if you don't like to switch between genoa and st. I was told that larger you make the sail smaller it gets when set for st use. Anyhow that's propably will be my option for st-jib replacement for the next year.
Markku ------------- S/Y Flow Hanse 371 |
Posted By: samuel
Date Posted: 05 June 2011 at 16:48
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As soon as I purchased my Hanse 315 new I realised that the self tacker was rubbish I bought one from a local sailmaker ( Lonton & Gray)& when it was fitted I asked why there were no battens in the leech
He replied " I am a sail maker--If you want battens go to a tent maker"
I have to say that it performed pretty well for several years
Evetually I changed for a new Hyde which ,has battens
I then realised that battens are an absolute pain if you are doing sail changes from, say, self tacker to genoa.
You cannot just stuff the sail in a bag & on a rolling foredeck you have to remove the battens first.
Daydream Believer
------------- Daydream Believer- Hanse 311- No GBR9917T- Bradwell Essex |
Posted By: nickfabbri
Date Posted: 05 June 2011 at 17:26
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I would be interested to see how a roller reefed 108% performs on a self tacker. My initial thoughts would be that the sail shape would be terrible and that the foot of the sail would be far too high to be of any real use. I agree that the self tacker is terrible and will be going to see North and Hyde at the boat show to get a set of Laminate sails. I watched the video of the code0 on the 320 page and fell for it. I ordered one and should get it for next week, so will post once again once it is in place. My idea is to have both sails rigged for distance racing, both furled. I will then use the appropriate sail for the different conditions and points of sail. Thats the theory anyway.
------------- Nick71 Hanse 320 |
Posted By: samuel
Date Posted: 06 June 2011 at 07:07
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Nickfabbri
you "agree that the self tacker is terrible"
I do not know who you are agreeing with but it certainly would not be me
As a single hander the self tacker is a boon & whilst it is not so good down wind ( what jib is?), reaching it just needs the addition of a pair of barber haulers to pull the clew down towards the deck & it works admirably
It is excellent for heavy weather as one does not have to furl it in winds up to 30+ knots so always keeps its shape
It is good to windward & my Hyde ST can actually be pulled in from the ends of the track a bit to get really good pointing in lighter airs
I rarely use my 140% genoa ( yes I note you are referring to 108%)as when the wind gets up a bit it is too big for the boat & has to be furled thus loosing its shape. Biggest problem with my latest ST is the battens in the leech which make it awkward when changing sails as one cannot just stuff it in the bag so I tend to keep it up even in lighter airs
Daydream Believer ------------- Daydream Believer- Hanse 311- No GBR9917T- Bradwell Essex |
Posted By: holby
Date Posted: 06 June 2011 at 07:38
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I also think the self tacker is a boon to single handed sailing and i for one are very happy with it. ------------- Hanse 301, tiller steering, Volvo 2010 (10hp)
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Posted By: BlueNote2
Date Posted: 06 June 2011 at 07:52
Im just plain lazy and I think that the self tacker is brilliant  ------------- http://www.whyboats.com/brokerage-boats/boat-details.php?BoatID=4269677 |
Posted By: echoofwight
Date Posted: 06 June 2011 at 08:25
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I think the self tacking jib makes a huge difference when short handed sailing. Sailing in the Solent can mean a lot of tacking. Mrs Echo can cook and make tea as I tack. The only problem I had with the self tacker was the way it could crash across the track when jibing in strong wind. I stopped this happening by running a control line that prevents the car crashing into the end stops. This line also enables me to move the car inboard remotely to improve the sheeting angle. ------------- Steve. Hanse 341 Echo of Wight, . Deep draft and rudder, white hull, Single aft cabin. Raymarine instruments. Raymarine radar. Garmin AIS. Wheel Steering, Portsmouth. |
Posted By: nickfabbri
Date Posted: 06 June 2011 at 09:38
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Samuel,
Sorry, I just re read my post and the answer in confusing. Just to clarify, the self tacker that came with the boat is terrible. I needs a good high quality laminate to get the best from the boat .
I chose the boat partly because by other half at the time wasnt interested in sailing and I wanted to be able to single handedly sail without killing myself and a self tacker suited me perfectly.
I also sail with a barber hauler attached to pull the foot down, and agree that all sails are a series of compromises. But as with bluenote, I am essentially lazy and love watching other boats when we are racing short courses having to go through tack after tack and getting worn out.
------------- Nick71 Hanse 320 |
Posted By: Eduard
Date Posted: 06 June 2011 at 16:26
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@Nick71.
At which sailmaker did you order your Code 0? How about the costs for sail and furler?
I am looking forward to read about your experiences with the code 0, including handling. ------------- Ed sy "Nimby" Hanse 342 #611 (2007); white hull, (one) wheel steering, Selden mast & boom, furlex 200S, deep draught, two cabins, traveller in cockpit, DSC VHF, inboard ap, B&G Zeus + Triton (2x) |
Posted By: nickfabbri
Date Posted: 06 June 2011 at 16:44
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All ordered from Northsails. The chap I spoke to seemed very competant.
Quote is as follows:
4001333-001 G0 Gennaker Nylon Gradient Norlon 150 1 04 July 2011 £1,322.40 4001333-002 Bartels Furler FE/FAW III 1 16 May 2011 £630.00 Total Shipping Cost £106.80 Total Price £2,059.20 Total Tax Included £343.20 Hope this helps. ------------- Nick71 Hanse 320 |
Posted By: skipper
Date Posted: 12 July 2011 at 15:36
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Steve / echo of wight
do you have some photo showing how you have routed the control line to the jib car/traveller?
I and an old friend attended to a shorthanded competition and we managed to complete the "race", 30 of 140 didn't complete it.
During the race I think a control line would be great to have. Standard self tacking is good enough for our vacation sailing. ------------- Cheers, Skipper Former owner of Hanse 342 2005 (Sparcraft mast, white hull, wheel steering, deep draft keel, short rudder) |