The acid test!
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Topic: The acid test!
Posted By: Yeoman
Subject: The acid test!
Date Posted: 04 October 2011 at 18:05
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Hi Folks,
When a new model is announced we all look at the statistics to see what has changed from the model it is replacing to see how we THINK it will sail.
We did this with the 445 after the 430 and were amazed when it is if anything better than it predecessor. Easier to handle just as fast and even more comfortable.
There are a lot of 370's sailing the oceans and this model was a real beauty so the 385 had a very very hard act to follow!
The acid test was to take a 370 owner out on the new 385 to see what he thought. This owner has sailed around 5,000 miles in all kinds of conditions and simply loved his boat.
We went out in 12-15 knots of true wind and I let him take over. He was convinced that the 385 pointed higher and faster than his 370, this will have been helped by the laminate sails undoubtedly. He was easily helming to 30 degrees and keeping the speed in the mid sevens.
We beat out of the solent for 20 mins with the usual steep chop, which she sliced through effortlessly. He bore off to 40 degrees and with slightly eased sails the 385 was effortlessly up to over 8 knots.
By the end of the sail he was undoubtedly surprised that the 385 outsailed his lovely 370 but then with the latest hull design and a longer waterline it really should have.
Happy to offer a very positive report from someone who knows his boats well.
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Posted By: Peter-Blake
Date Posted: 04 October 2011 at 18:15
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Nice to read the story. But it reads more like a text advertisement. - Sorry, my opinion - But letīs wait until a 370 sails in real live against a 385. I wait for the first 385 on the ijsselmeer in Netherlands and than i will compare myself with my 370, espeacially in the lower windrange..... ------------- Blake 370 
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Posted By: alettaenmarcel
Date Posted: 04 October 2011 at 19:19
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Who has been sailing it , why dont You mention his name... looks like an advertisment to me as well. I have read in a Norwegian or swedisch test it showed very fast. I hope we will meet a 385 on the water. We are hapy with our 370 and will never swop it fot a 385 , we saw some disadvateches comparing to our 370 , but it indeed a very nice boat. greetings marcel ------------- Kids Dingys 72-79 ,Several Windsurfboards 79-86 OK dingy competitions 86-92 , Trotter Pandora Race 92-98, Friendship 28 Sport 98-05, Hanse 370 06-...... |
Posted By: Rubato
Date Posted: 04 October 2011 at 21:32
Take it easy on Phil  This is good info nonetheless and another data point to put in the bank. I wouldn't expect him to mention the owner, privacy thoughts and all that.... ------------- Steve Hanse 400e, #168 |
Posted By: Renegade
Date Posted: 04 October 2011 at 22:53
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Yeoman properly did not mention my name without obtaining my prior consent.
My previous 370 Renegade, new 2005, the love of my life (sold last year to a gentleman in Denmark) 2nd across Biscay on the 2009 Rally Portugal outperforming larger craft (including Swedens Yacht, Beneteau 423, Halberg Rassy 39..see WCC website for results!!..all the way to Lagos) on handicap and a successful race contender in Round the Island, Royal Escape, Hanse Rally etc I thought could not be beat.... The 385 experience put that grin back on my face, light airs & all; example being it took a new Grand Soleil 50 with laminate sails some 15 minutes to actually pass us from being off the stern to off the bow, I have photos!! Admitedly this one has laminate sails, but all you non believers should give her a try......you may well be surprised. See performance Polar Diagram data - conventional main & jib available on www.windcrafthanse.com/hanse-385.html....we beat this performance easily.. Read the boat report due out soon after press days. How she will go in a blow....don't know...there are some aspects in the interior I don't like (personal taste of course) but if you want out & out upwind performance I think she will be hard to beat.  ------------- Anthony Porter Hanse 370 Renegade of Brighton |
Posted By: Peter-Blake
Date Posted: 05 October 2011 at 18:01
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I just took the numbers from the polar for the 370 and compared it to the polar of the 385. But see yourself: 6kts TWS Angles 45°; 70°; 90 ° 385 4,25 kts; 5,20 kts; 5,18 kts (sails best performance) 370 4,60 kts; 5,60 kts; 6,10 kts (105% genoa) 370 4,70 kts; 6,00 kts; 6,20 kts (140% genoa) 10kts TWS Angles 41,6°; 70°; 90 ° 385 5,94 kts; 6,97 kts; 6,94 kts (sails best performance) 370 6,10 kts; 7,40 kts; 7,80 kts (105% genoa) 370 6,20 kts; 7,60 kts; 7,80 kts (140% genoa) 20kts TWS Angles 41°; 70°; 90 ° 385 6,89 kts; 8,44 kts; 8,55 kts (sails best performance) 370 6,80 kts; 8,45 kts; 9,10 kts (105% genoa) 370 6,90 kts; 8,50 kts; 9,10 kts (140% genoa) As it was stated in another thraed already: In the higher windrange (20kts) the 385 is able to go nearly the speed of the 370! But in low winds the 385 is remarkeble slower than the 370! OK, thats just following the polars. I will give it a try on the water! ------------- Blake 370
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Posted By: Yeoman
Date Posted: 05 October 2011 at 18:08
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Hi Peter,
Tony (Renegade) brought the new polars with him for the test and the boat outperformed them in all directions.
Maybe he is just a fantastic helm
 Cheers
Phil
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Posted By: Peter-Blake
Date Posted: 05 October 2011 at 18:09
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I am sure he is! And yes i am able to outperform my 370 sometimes too, ok only sometimes... ;-) ------------- Blake 370
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Posted By: Yeoman
Date Posted: 05 October 2011 at 18:21
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It sounds like a regular occurrence as we were talking to Navico about the new B & G plotters that will tell you how fast you should be going at certain angles in certain winds once you have uploaded your polars.
They then said "and when you are going faster than the polar you tell it the speed you can do at that angle and that wind and it updates".
Apparently something like 60% of the polar is wrong on average!
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Posted By: Renegade
Date Posted: 05 October 2011 at 20:32
Attached for information is the Polar Chart for the 385 I was using as a reference point, note Jib not Genoa configuration, at the end of the day the proof will be in sustained performance. One other point I should make is the Volvopenta engine (29hp) & 2 bladed flexifold prop appears to deliver much better motoring speed at lower RPM than my old 29hp Yanmar & Kiwi Prop on Renegade; hopefully also better economy....we will see.
 ------------- Anthony Porter Hanse 370 Renegade of Brighton |
Posted By: kweetje
Date Posted: 06 November 2011 at 08:17
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Hi, Interesting discussion, but ...the comparison between ships depend heavily on the sails it has. Our 375 last year with the regular sails and fixed blade propellor had max. STW of 5.5knts in true wind of 7 knts (at about 70° app.wind) We changed prop to maxprop and put on a code 0 this year. Now in the same 7knts of wind our max. STW is almost 7 knts... Furthermore: i read in this topic that a grand soleil 50 had no major speed advantage compared to 385, although the grand soleil has undoubtedly much more waterline length. Stating then that the few cm. of difference in waterline between a 370 or 375 and 385 makes all the difference is making me smile  When i compare 370 or 375 to 385 i see some differences which all have to do with price: - 385 has 2 less winches. - 385 is essentially a smaller ship than predecessors - Despite being shorter, it is advertised as a 385, meaning a 38 foot at an advertised price of about the 375. To me this seems more of a commercial trick to battle against for instance Bavaria. ------------- First 4000 miles, no substantial problems |
Posted By: kweetje
Date Posted: 30 January 2012 at 09:42
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We went to Boot last WE and visited the 385. I am happy and will stay happy with our 375 :)
------------- First 4000 miles, no substantial problems |
Posted By: Ian Robinson
Date Posted: 20 February 2012 at 17:59
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Dear All,
The 385 may well be faster on a like for like basis than a 370 or 375, but not when it is hooked to a lobster pot by its torpedo keel.
Regards
Ian ------------- Ostara a 370#88 |
Posted By: Mikki
Date Posted: 30 May 2012 at 14:03
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Hello there, With my this year's trim I make in 7 m/s true wind (13,5 knots) at 30 app. degree 7 knots on average. Although no big waves. I think that's pretty good. BR, Mikki
------------- Mikki |
Posted By: kweetje
Date Posted: 01 June 2012 at 11:40
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at 6 knots wind i measured 6.5 knots trough water. This was on our 375 with code 0 sail in front :)
------------- First 4000 miles, no substantial problems |
Posted By: Mikki
Date Posted: 02 June 2012 at 11:57
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Way to go :) ------------- Mikki |
Posted By: capowers
Date Posted: 16 July 2012 at 04:52
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We just got back from a 14 day tour on our new Hanse 385 and the boat was spectacular
sailed beautifully- handles like a dream I (the wife) was at the helm doing 9kts in over 18 knts wind and felt very secure she is so smooth just glides through the water
she is also very comfortable down below... and the swim platform is like an additional sunroom
I love our new boat.
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