Farewell
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Topic: Farewell
Posted By: Eva Luna
Subject: Farewell
Date Posted: 05 July 2012 at 19:14
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Dear Forum, Hereby I would like to inform you that I sold my Hanse 400 Eva Luna, and bought an old fashioned but perfectly Dutch built Breehorn 37. I had fun on this forum, and with my boat as well, you get a lot of value for money, and I am more then willing to stay here for a while to chat with you all. Good Bye to you all, my boat is a white Breehorn 37 called Dame Blanche. if we meet wave goodbye. Eva Luna ------------- Minus o/b Eva Luna Hanse 400 #794 ex Dynamic37-Bianca107-Jewel-Grinde |
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Posted By: Henrik84
Date Posted: 05 July 2012 at 20:14
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That was sad to hear. Good luck with your new boat. //Henrik ------------- S/Y LaRey Hanse 320 #430 Gothenburg, Sweden |
Posted By: Ilkhanse
Date Posted: 06 July 2012 at 01:59
| Curious why you moved on? Was there something that you didn't like with the Hanse? |
Posted By: Peter-Blake
Date Posted: 06 July 2012 at 07:31
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Good luck with your "new" breehorn 37. Before we bought our Hanse we also were dreaming of a breehorn 37. It is a absolut beauty. Today i am happy with my Hanse 370.
------------- Blake 370 
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Posted By: Stella*Nova
Date Posted: 06 July 2012 at 11:27
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My neighbour boat is a Breehorn 37, a lovely boat but I would prefer my 370. Good luck and fair winds with dame blanche. ------------- BR Ralf, Ex. 'a mare' H370 |
Posted By: alettaenmarcel
Date Posted: 06 July 2012 at 14:34
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breehorn is a koopmans design witch is a typicall al round boat.
Very good at sea and very comfortable at a long trip
Also very easy on the rudder.
Hanse 400 is much faster much bigger, but not as sooteble for a trip around the world as a breehorn is.
greetings Marcel
------------- Kids Dingys 72-79 ,Several Windsurfboards 79-86 OK dingy competitions 86-92 , Trotter Pandora Race 92-98, Friendship 28 Sport 98-05, Hanse 370 06-...... |
Posted By: Eva Luna
Date Posted: 09 July 2012 at 15:54
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We experienced some , how can I say without insulting anyone, minor construction failures that made me a little nervous about the long term quality of the boat. Some items just got loose because they were glued, where old fashioned, or shall i say more expensive boats, tighten with bolts and screws. like ceiling plates that fell off, or a bended clamp which happened when we needed a towboat. also the hull-deck connection is only kitted etc. I can understand that for the value of money Hanse chooses this way of constructing a boat, which will pass all tests when the boat is new. I can only say that I hope for you all that the boats remain as good as they are new after 10 years, in both quality and value. Finally the Vinylester hull we had is guaranteed osmosesfree, much lighter, but also less stiff as well. we are saltwater sailers, and when the boat drops off a wave, the boat shakes like an old rocker.. Enjoy, and I wish you fair winds. Eva Luna ------------- Minus o/b Eva Luna Hanse 400 #794 ex Dynamic37-Bianca107-Jewel-Grinde |
Posted By: superliga
Date Posted: 22 August 2012 at 16:42
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Eva Luna, next time you need towing don't rely on the clamps. They will not stand up for the job. It's not unique for Hanse boats. Good luck with your next boat - just don't tow in in the clamps  ------------- PEARL - S/Y SUPERLIGA - HANSE 470 e - Hull #168 - hanse470.com |
Posted By: Ilkhanse
Date Posted: 23 August 2012 at 00:42
| What do you mean by clamps? In the US, I believe we call them cleats? If this is true, then what are you supposed to use when towing the boat, if not clamps or cleats? |
Posted By: panos
Date Posted: 23 August 2012 at 06:47
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Hi, For sure the cleats are not up to the job! Any boat I know that was towed from the cleats they were ripped off. The best way in keel stepped boats is to use the mast! In deck stepped boats probably the main winches! Even then the tow speed should be as low as possible and never exceeding 1/2 of max motoring speed of the boat. ------------- Panos Hanse 630e - selling her - |
Posted By: samuel
Date Posted: 23 August 2012 at 09:12
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Probably a solution is -like panos suggests- is use the winches I have given this some thought in case I ever need towing. Even our own UK life boats have a habit of towing too fast I have heard stories from owners being totally scared of the speed they have been towed by a lifeboat. My solution would be Tie the towing strop to both cleats then take lines from the cleats to the winches & tension them right up to give some reverse force to the cleats. This should stop the boat shearing off & taking away a staunchion No idea if it would work but better than loosing the lot ------------- Daydream Believer- Hanse 311- No GBR9917T- Bradwell Essex |
Posted By: superliga
Date Posted: 23 August 2012 at 09:49
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@ LLk hanse, Yes i mean cleats. But Eva Luna referred to them as clamps so I just used his expression. @Samuel; do not use the cleats. The way to go is the mast if it's keel stepped or the winches with a line from each winch forward to meet the towing line. ------------- PEARL - S/Y SUPERLIGA - HANSE 470 e - Hull #168 - hanse470.com |
Posted By: Eva Luna
Date Posted: 23 August 2012 at 15:43
 ------------- Minus o/b Eva Luna Hanse 400 #794 ex Dynamic37-Bianca107-Jewel-Grinde |
Posted By: superliga
Date Posted: 23 August 2012 at 17:30
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no wonder it broke ------------- PEARL - S/Y SUPERLIGA - HANSE 470 e - Hull #168 - hanse470.com |
Posted By: samuel
Date Posted: 24 August 2012 at 08:04
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I would not call that a cleat. I would call it a fairlead. Are we talking about broken cleats or fairleads It would not be unreasonable for this to break if jerked from the side. It also suggests that a towing strop was not usd. If it had been this side would have been slack ------------- Daydream Believer- Hanse 311- No GBR9917T- Bradwell Essex |
Posted By: Eva Luna
Date Posted: 24 August 2012 at 12:16
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I'm sorry, just did not know the English word for it. ------------- Minus o/b Eva Luna Hanse 400 #794 ex Dynamic37-Bianca107-Jewel-Grinde |
Posted By: Fox67
Date Posted: 07 October 2012 at 11:25
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Dear EVA LUNA Is nice to read your post. I put my Hanse 400 out of the water just after 3 months of sailing. Is a 2010 and is there waiting for a decision of the tribunal. I am in trial with Hanse, and now I have an old Aphrodite 42 from 1989, where the costruction is old fashioned , and you feel secure wile sailing. With that from June to July we sailed from Amsterdam to Venice. Impossible to do that with Hanse 400 with the same conditions. I had the same problems that you had, also big drama with the fuel tank, toilets, s drive, infiltrations of water, ecc ecc. Ciao Amedeo ------------- S/Y Fox |
Posted By: panos
Date Posted: 07 October 2012 at 14:34
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Hi, When you buy a modern SUV car you know what you are getting. You cannot complain that it doesn't perform off road like a Land Rover (if it goes at all). If what you need is the Land Rover of boats there are a few around, but do not complain that they are slow and do not sail upwind. ------------- Panos Hanse 630e - selling her - |
Posted By: Fox67
Date Posted: 07 October 2012 at 18:49
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Dear Panos Did I complained of my new boat? Sailing , for me is not driving on a higway.... and for shure is always "off road". Upwind is not the only direction that you can sail, and you can do it till certain amount of wind, after is better to go a little bit more relax, and a strong boat under your butt is much better. Hanse is a big day sailor boat, cheap made, with a fast hull and many problems, and from my point of wiew:" never again". But isf sailing is: in and out of the marina is perfect! cheers Amedeo ps I have a Passat 4 motion, secure, strong, and it goes sometimes off road, no need of a Land Rover ------------- S/Y Fox |
Posted By: gertha
Date Posted: 07 October 2012 at 21:52
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20 years ago I had 2 land rovers 2 range rovers and 1 discovery in succession now I have a 5 year old 4 motion vw transporter plus a new one on order The Volkswagon is far better made than the landrover products 20 years ago also is not much worse off road. If you apply the same to yachts a good quality mass produced yacht of today will be better made than a low volume of 20 years ago. 5 years ago we were in the Azores talking to the owner of a Nicholson 34 , he had taken 23 days to do the sail we had taken 12 days on, he had suffered three storms against our one, I can go on. Over more than 20000 miles there are no problems with the structure of the boat. I have had loads of small problems; however I accept that I did not buy a boat designed for ocean work. All modern boats are made of a hull and deck with a bunch of bits bolted on; A Halberg will be a better hull and deck with more care in the design; but the cost is three times as much, the hull and deck are a little heavier in the lay up ; but for the money saved you can tweek and modify a hanse. I think that Panos is under ratting the Hanse with his analogy, the Hanse is more like my transporter than a light weight SUV. It appears you can buy a 25 year old Aphro for the same price as a new hanse; you can buy a 25 year old range rover for the same price as a new car or van; I know which one I would buy and trust to do big miles every year. S ------------- Swanned off |
Posted By: superliga
Date Posted: 07 October 2012 at 22:15
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Hi Fox67, Sorry to hear about your problems and it's a sad thing you did'nt get help from your dealer before you had to take it to court. Normally only the lawyers win... I know of a few Hanses that has been used for extensive cruising and i have sailed many different Hanses over the Baltic sea in all sort of conditions - and the baltic can be ruff enough. I think the Hanses sail like most other modern boats. What you really miss on the standard boats is a better preforming jib sail. On my own 470 i have done a lot of cruising in the Baltic Sea, Kattegat and Skagerak in all kind of conditions and always felt safe with my boat. But i do agree if you are in a storm there is nothing like a narrow deep cockpit. So i try to avoid sailing in storms with my Hanse 470 ------------- PEARL - S/Y SUPERLIGA - HANSE 470 e - Hull #168 - hanse470.com |