New Hanse 345
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Topic: New Hanse 345
Posted By: Henrik84
Subject: New Hanse 345
Date Posted: 24 August 2012 at 12:46
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See pictures on the new Hanse 345 here https://www.facebook.com/#!/media/set/?set=a.10150994843331105.410414.244645791104&type=1" rel="nofollow - https://www.facebook.com/#!/media/set/?set=a.10150994843331105.410414.244645791104&type=1 Why double wheels on this small boat? I think its a beatiful boat but why do hanse change there models so often? it destroy the second hand market. /Henrik ------------- S/Y LaRey Hanse 320 #430 Gothenburg, Sweden |
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Posted By: alettaenmarcel
Date Posted: 24 August 2012 at 16:15
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I do not think I will like it , to much off all in a 34 foot but it is still a artist inpresion , maybe in real it is a lott different . we will stick to our 370 ------------- Kids Dingys 72-79 ,Several Windsurfboards 79-86 OK dingy competitions 86-92 , Trotter Pandora Race 92-98, Friendship 28 Sport 98-05, Hanse 370 06-...... |
Posted By: Brufan
Date Posted: 24 August 2012 at 17:33
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First impressions from a 355 owner... The interior is not very different from a H355 except : - Folding part of table now on port side (opposite to the natural way to forecabin !?!?) - Front opening fridge (= H385) and drawner under the sink. - Woodwork colour is a bit different Outside is one more step to penny pinching. Leading all lines to aft winches means only two winches (I have 4) and a very small lowcost opening hatch for the main locker (only the seat can move up. the backrest is of course fixed in order to allow lines to be lead aft). Big opening transom is great but that means no seat in behind the wheels and gas cylinder must find places elsewhere (on the side or in the locker ?) Two wheels may be a bit too much but with a very large transom it has some sense. The only plus I see is as the lines lead aft It will be easier to handle singlehanded. Other plus : hatches and windows might be larger in aft and front cabins? So more lights. I'm glad with my H355 and I keep her.
------------- Bruno hanse 355 - 57 S/Y Spicy Ginger White hull, 2 cabins, Volvo D1-30, Selden rig, removable mainsheet track system, Simrad (now B&G)-Jefa autopilot. |
Posted By: Scotchmist
Date Posted: 24 August 2012 at 18:01
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I'd prefer shrouds to meet chain plates on the inside of the side decks - then you can walk round them more comfortably. Also - a chart table you can sit wedged in to, would be better. Cant see any point at all, to 2 wheels on a 34ft boat - waste of space and money. ------------- Andrew Scotch Mischief Dehler 38 by Hanse |
Posted By: kirkelund
Date Posted: 24 August 2012 at 19:09
Don't worry, Henrik, that all depends on which new models Hanse presents and at what price.  Personally I still have my favorites among the Hanse range regardless of the updates and new models. Needless to say that the 342 is one of them, but there are in fact a number of other models that I would still prefer over later models.  Ole, ------------- Kirkelund "Amani" Lynetten, Copenhagen, Denmark Hanse 342 (grey hull, wheel steering, deep draft keel, Jefa rudder - RUD34) |
Henrik84 wrote:Posted By: Peter-Blake
Date Posted: 25 August 2012 at 10:46
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Thanks Henrik. Since today you will find the pictures in better resolution on hanseyachts.com. What i am wondering about is: What is the strategy behind this model (Same goes to 575...) Usually they show the old model some time parllel to the new model on their homepage. Today the 345 showed up and the 355 is gone. Until Yesterday i was asking me, is the 345 coming for the 325 or the 355. Seems it it taking the part of the 355. But look at the numbers: 325 Hull 9,55m 345 Hull 9,99m 355 Hull 10,50m To me the new is much closer to the 325 than to the replaced 355?? Why? ------------- Blake 370 
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Posted By: Brufan
Date Posted: 25 August 2012 at 12:08
Beam is 3,50 m (H 355 = 3,55) Weight is only 150 kg under 355 but ballast is 200 kg more (2030 instead of 1530) Sail area is 10 m2 less (3 m2 for the main sail et ... 7 m2 for jib) H345 has only 4 m2 more sail area than the H325 which weights 1 ton less... Not sure it will perform as best as 325 - 355 but let's see ------------- Bruno hanse 355 - 57 S/Y Spicy Ginger White hull, 2 cabins, Volvo D1-30, Selden rig, removable mainsheet track system, Simrad (now B&G)-Jefa autopilot. |
Posted By: Perttu
Date Posted: 25 August 2012 at 22:06
Profitability is huge problem for this industry. It might be sensible strategy to cut down number of models offered, get rid of 325 & 355 and replace them with sole 345 in order to focus profitability. Obviously the 325 still exist but if 345 is proven smaller one might be discontinued as well... I dont know if they are successful but Bavaria has cut down their offering so in the future Hanse might be 345, 385, 415 etc... Regarding secondhand value Hanse should offer special upgrade program for all loyal customers who would eg trade in 355 for 415 or 325 for 385 etc... |
Posted By: Swanji
Date Posted: 26 August 2012 at 10:15
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My thoughts on the new Hanse 345 LOA/LWL- 10.40/9,50 Slightly shorter than the H350. Longer waterline length favours the 350? By the way, my owners manual says the LWL on the H350 is 10.22. If this is true, all H350 owners have a machine on their hands !! Beam - 3.50 Slightly less beamy than H350 whose beam is 3.55. Surprised they didn't introduce chines for even better form stability Displacement - 6.2 tons About the same as the H355 with its non cored top sides but quite a bit heavier then the H350 at 5,763 with it's cored topsides. Hanse's are not the lightest cruiser/ performance cruisers around Keel - 2,030 Love the torpedo keel even if they do snag laid lines from time to time They have made this a stiffer boat with better reserve stability by increasing the weight relative to the displacement compared to the H350 and H355. I would say that the form stability will be the same.Draught - 1.87 Decent draught, similar to H350 and H355. Good balance between windward performance and being able to go places Sail area - Mainsal - 32.5: Jib - 22.5 Total 55 Less sail area than H350 which has 35 mainsail and 29.6 headsail giving total of 64.9. A heavier boat with less sail area and less waterline length will make the H345 cruisier in nature and slower than the H350. Set up is still with large mainsail and self tacking headsail which should be controlled IMHO by at least a pad eye in the cockpit set-up and preferably a main sheet traveller in the cockpit and not mid boom sheeting.. Not sure if this is offered as an option but if it is I don't see where it would fit given the size of the cockpit table. One of the design options more and more nautical architects are going for is to split the cockpit into a working area and a chilling out area. Usually the area behind the helm is treated as the working area and it is here that the traveller is sometimes accommodated. If I look at the length of the boom though, I don't think they have gone for this. A pity IMHO. They have lowered the mast height quite a bit to 15.75 versus 16.43 on the H350 but don't seem to have compensated for the reduction by introducing a fathead mainsail or roach. There seems to be an adjustable backstay which is a good thing in my view. Many of the new boats are doing out without this. SA/D - 17.6. D/L - 202 This compares with 20.5 and 182 for the H350. The boat must be slower and cruisier in nature. The twin wheels cockpit table and bathing platform seem to confirm this B/D - 32.7 L/B - 2.97 Versus 32% and 2.98 for the H350. Both boats will be stiff particularly considering most of the weight is in the bulb. Still would have liked a chine personally for even more safety. Interior/exterior Still dont like the nav station. Looks like an after thought on the H345 and the H350/355 They seem to have improved stowage in the saloon Poor transom design on H350 way better on the new H345 - no longer all that wasted space behind the quarter berths. Like the clutch layout in front of the winches being led aft. Don't like only having 2 winches though as Brufan has said. Love the new hatch and port layout for loads of light down below. Love having the chartplotter at the helm Hopefully they have sorted out a bowsprit. Have always thought that this aspect has been overlooked on the Hanse. The Dufour 335 has an amazing removable bowsprit. Shrouds are taken outboard which has some advantages but a major disadvantage in that you can't fit a big overlapping genoa which you can do on the H350 (but not on the H355) :-)))) I am sure the boat will be a dream to sail and the proof is in the way she sails. It does seem though that Hanse are moving the Hanse range towards the cruisier side and Dehler is occupying the performance cruiser side.   ------------- Onwards and upwards Nidri, Levkada, Ionian, Greece Hanse 350 #7, SY Evolution, standard keel, 3YM20 sail drive, 3 cabins, cherry wood interior, teak decks, feathering prop |
Posted By: Eduard
Date Posted: 06 September 2012 at 08:49
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Yesterday I have seen the new 345 at the Amsterdam boatshow. It's not my type of boat, because I do not see the need of two steering wheels on a relative small boat; 34 ft. Apparently Hanse is copying Dufour (335; 33ft) in this respect.
Moreover I noticed little storage space on the 345.
However It was nice to play with the new multi functional IS40 instrument, which may be a big improvement compared to the IS20 and the IS12. ------------- Ed sy "Nimby" Hanse 342 #611 (2007); white hull, (one) wheel steering, Selden mast & boom, furlex 200S, deep draught, two cabins, traveller in cockpit, DSC VHF, inboard ap, B&G Zeus + Triton (2x) |
Posted By: bjoris
Date Posted: 14 September 2012 at 14:44
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Does anyone have pictures to share? Can not find any on the internett except from the drafts...
I am not looking for changing, but it is ofcourse interesting with a new Hanse!  ------------- H350#118 www.bjoris.blogspot.com |
Posted By: Markku
Date Posted: 14 September 2012 at 16:05
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And what you think about a boat without backstay?I'm sorry, but I don't, for obvious reasons: you can't stress the front of the head sail to adjust the shape and improve boat's heading, you can't bend the mast top backwards to adjust the main sail, you can't support the mast top if you were to sail only with the jib or genoa in heavy weather, spreaders has to be so much backwards angled, that the main sail will suffer when sailing downwind, also suffers the boat handling and speed. And some level of difficulties passing by the shrouds was already mentioned. I don't understand why these rigs are presented by yards and sail boat designers, for comfort or what? Markku ------------- S/Y Flow Hanse 371 |
Posted By: Markku
Date Posted: 14 September 2012 at 16:37
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My apologies to Hanse Yacht, I take my previous thread back. I checked the latest renderings of 345 and there is a backstay. Great! Now my previous complaints are addressed to Dufou Yacht. Markku ------------- S/Y Flow Hanse 371 |
Posted By: Janni
Date Posted: 15 September 2012 at 10:40
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I do not appreciate the latest Hanse models. But it is a clear indication that they are following the company strategy, i.e. make Hanse the charter and camping on water brand while the better sailing boats with a bit less of living space are under the Dehler brand. ------------- Hanse 320 #548 "SCHNEGGE" |
Posted By: Johan Hackman
Date Posted: 15 September 2012 at 11:49
I wonder what the new IS40 is like. It is funny that there is no information about it on Simrad's website. There is a short note about it on Panbo though: http://www.panbo.com/archives/2012/09/garmin_buys_nexus_simrad_is40_plus_raymarine_i40_i50_i60.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.panbo.com/archives/2012/09/garmin_buys_nexus_simrad_is40_plus_raymarine_i40_i50_i60.html . Johan -------------  http://www.johanhackman.se" rel="nofollow - http://www.johanhackman.se |
Posted By: Eduard
Date Posted: 16 September 2012 at 08:06
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Simrad IS40 is the basic version the B & G Triton instrument. On the B&G website you will find all documentation on this instrument. What I have understood so far, is that the Triton is more sophisticated than the IS40. ------------- Ed sy "Nimby" Hanse 342 #611 (2007); white hull, (one) wheel steering, Selden mast & boom, furlex 200S, deep draught, two cabins, traveller in cockpit, DSC VHF, inboard ap, B&G Zeus + Triton (2x) |
Posted By: Johan Hackman
Date Posted: 16 September 2012 at 09:38
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I think the new IS40 instrument looks really good so I am considering getting a Hanse 345 in order to get one of these instruments. What do you think of that? Info at Simrad's site: http://www.simrad-yachting.com/en-US/Resources1/Simrad/Products/Preview/IS40-Display-en-us.aspx" rel="nofollow - http://www.simrad-yachting.com/en-US/Resources1/Simrad/Products/Preview/IS40-Display-en-us.aspx . A review: http://yachtelectronics.blogspot.se/2012/09/simrad-is40-navigation-display-preview.html" rel="nofollow - http://yachtelectronics.blogspot.se/2012/09/simrad-is40-navigation-display-preview.html . Some more info: http://canalsriversandboats.blogspot.se/2012/09/new-simrad-instrument-and-autopilot.html" rel="nofollow - http://canalsriversandboats.blogspot.se/2012/09/new-simrad-instrument-and-autopilot.html . Johan ------------- http://www.johanhackman.se" rel="nofollow - http://www.johanhackman.se |
Posted By: Yeoman
Date Posted: 17 September 2012 at 08:31
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Hi Folks,
I am really enjoying reading peoples impressions of the new models and the general feedback from the Southampton Boatshow is that it is the best 34 footer on the market in the price bracket which is great.
I get the impression that there is a real misunderstanding that hanse are moving away from their fast cruising roots, which really is not the case and infact this is something they are moving further towards.
I have had the privilege to sail all of the latest models and they are fantastically smooth, stable and fast cruisers. Judel Vrolijk as you would expect have created a superb range for Hanse.
The Dehlers ofcourse are slightly faster and more tuneable for those wanting to do more racing but please do not think the Hanses are becoming slow, that would be very wrong.
Enjoy the late summer!
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Posted By: Peter-Blake
Date Posted: 17 September 2012 at 14:18
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BTW: New fotos on the hanseyachts.com page now available. (Only interior so far)
------------- Blake 370
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Posted By: Rubato
Date Posted: 17 September 2012 at 19:46
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IS40 - is it replacing the IS20 already? If so, seems like Simrad changes instrument lines faster than their socks. Which wouldn't be so bad if they didn't stop supporting the previous line for a few years more... ------------- Steve Hanse 400e, #168 |
Posted By: Rubato
Date Posted: 17 September 2012 at 19:53
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Hmm, wanted to edit the above post but I don't see how to do that anymore! Anyway, I looked at the IS40 and now understand better that it's a general display, sorta like the IS12 Mega, and not a complete instrument line... ------------- Steve Hanse 400e, #168 |
Posted By: Janni
Date Posted: 18 September 2012 at 06:21
What worries me mainly is that the main sheet does not allow a traveller anymore for the newer Hanse models. Main reason is the cockpit table, which is in the way like on the Bavaria models. Furthermore the way the halyards and sheets are placed, are reducing the winches from 4 to 2 only, not suitable for active sailing. ------------- Hanse 320 #548 "SCHNEGGE" |
Posted By: iemand
Date Posted: 20 September 2012 at 20:47
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Posted By: Peter-Blake
Date Posted: 03 October 2012 at 15:17
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Some fotos found here: http://www.seilmagasinet.no/id/39623.0" rel="nofollow - http://www.seilmagasinet.no/id/39623.0 ------------- Blake 370
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Posted By: Yeoman
Date Posted: 17 October 2012 at 09:01
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Hi Folks,
I have just received the latest 345 photos from the shoot we did in the Solent a couple of weeks ago.
They are posted on the Hanse Yachts UK Facebook page.
Cheers
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Posted By: Peter-Blake
Date Posted: 17 October 2012 at 13:23
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Thanks Yeoman. To make it more easy to find the fotos, here is the link: http://www.facebook.com/HanseYachts/photos_stream" rel="nofollow - http://www.facebook.com/HanseYachts/photos_stream BTW The boat looks nice, but i do not like the additional extremly thin windows in front and behind the main windows. They destroy the lines in my opinion. ------------- Blake 370
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Posted By: alettaenmarcel
Date Posted: 17 October 2012 at 16:31
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you can look through the opening windows and you see partly the white from the outside off the cabin , and I think that if that part is black coated it ould look a lot nicer.( try this with black tape before painting this) btw , nice pictures , and beatifull orange genaker ( did they borow this from Jeanneau? :-) greetings Marcel ------------- Kids Dingys 72-79 ,Several Windsurfboards 79-86 OK dingy competitions 86-92 , Trotter Pandora Race 92-98, Friendship 28 Sport 98-05, Hanse 370 06-...... |
Posted By: Jakob Pinade
Date Posted: 22 October 2012 at 14:53
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I think the 345 looks brilliant! Higher ballast ratio, more natural light in the cabin, excellent large pantry and spacious heads (in the two cabin version). Note that the keel weight is actually higher than on the Hallberg Rassy 342, although that one has got a lead keel which of course is preferable. With such a wide transom the twin steering wheels really makes sense. Otherwise the ergonomics would suffer. Only source of concern is the genoa winches and the main sheet traveler. I assume they both will be optional? But where to place them? I always hope that some of the more affordable brands are going to adopt the setup of the Najad 355. I think the Najad 355 is pretty close to the optimal setup for shorthand sailing WITH sail control. Any info on those questions Yeoman? |
Posted By: Yeoman
Date Posted: 22 October 2012 at 17:24
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Hi Jakob,
It is certainly a very stiff boat thats for sure!
The genoa winches are optional (they mount on stainless cradles over the lines forward of the spinlock bank) and I would choose them but having said that we sailed with the assymetric very easily with just the aft winches thanks to the German mainsheet system.
The mainsheet traveller is not an option from Hanse and personally would not choose it even if it was. The twin block system on the coachroof is very effective when twinned with a nice powerful vang system. When you are sailing upwind the windward block takes a lot of the load and allows you to get the boom just off the centreline which is perfect for a small jib. If you then pull the vang on hard should you need to ease the main in a gust the boom stays at the same angle giving the same result as dropping the traveller to leeward.
Ofcourse you do not get the very fine tuning ability from this type of system but when cruising how often do you want to scandalize the main really.
The benefits are considerable from a safety point of view and very nice to gybe as the twin block system helps to gently transfer the boom across like a smaller version of a boom brake.
I hope that helps
Phil
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Posted By: Jakob Pinade
Date Posted: 22 October 2012 at 19:55
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Thanks for the info Yeoman! I saw a photo of a 385 with the winch on an elevated steel plate. Looked a bit weird at first, but after digesting the idea I certainly could find no reason to why it shouldn't work. I guess it is more uncommon than not functional. And personally, I would feel really naked in a boat with only two winches. I absolutely agree that with kids or pets aboard it is quite convenient to get the traveler out of the cockpit. One worry less. And if the twin block system also acts as a small boom brake that would be some really good compensation for the loss of the fine tuning ability. I have a rather painful memory of saluting the boom once  . Luckily it was a small boat so I only ended up counting stars  , not sheep. But even so the power of the hit was really scary. Personally I would still prefer a traveler though.So for what I can see or think of, that would be one small minus and nice long list of pluses  . The only thing missing then would be a bar to prevent the cook from diving across the oven. Not the biggest worry as it can easily be installed by those who want it (most?) later. I am certain it is going to be a real winner in the market. Seems like the other budget brands have to come up with something to respond. It certainly has got the top position on my want-to-have list. |
Posted By: Jakob Pinade
Date Posted: 02 November 2012 at 01:02
I got curious as to exactly how stiff the Hanse 345 actually is. So I started
goofing around with the stability curves. After some merging, strectching and
alignment in Photoshop I managed to get a decent comparison between the Hanse 345 and
Hallberg Rassy 342. I thought it might be of interest to others than
myself: Hanse 345 is the fuzziest line which is steeper at first, has a camel hump on the top and is the last to reach zero at about 127-128 degrees. I know the curves are only an estimate so I'm not sure as to how exact (the probability distribution around the curves) they are. I don't know anything about the initial parameters that are used either, or how much they affect the curve. Or even if they both use the same initial weight additions or the same placements of those in the boat (considering center of gravity and angular momentum). Hanse 345 was calculated from a weight of 6640 kg. But still 420 additional kg sounds less than crew, luggage, equipment and some water and diesel. The plots were a little bit inaccurate as well. But if we are a bit bold we can play a little bit around with the plots. The total stiffness (area beneath the curves) of these two boats are about equal. Hanse is slightly stiffer up to almost 40 degrees. Better hull stability? Then the HR 342 is stiffer until some 95 degrees, which should more or less be a full knockdown. A lower center of gravity on the HR? Then beyond 95 degrees the Hanse is stiffer all the way until it reaches a slightly higher angle of vanishing stabiliyt (AVS). The buoyancy of the higher freeboard on the Hanse? Beyond the AVS I doubt that the plots are particularly accurate due to difficulty of estimation. But if they actually are, it is easier to get rolled back up if you are in (or beneath) a Hanse. If all the interior still is in place of course .Even though I doubt you can compare these two plots as directly as this, you can probably say that HR 342 and Hanse 345 are more or less equally stiff. Quite impressive I would say! Especially considering the reputation of HR. And for people that live in volatile areas and has experienced a few knockdowns this definitely weighs in heavy. I seriously doubt that any of the other sailboat brands that compete in the same bracket as Hanse are anywhere close to this. |
Posted By: Yeoman
Date Posted: 02 November 2012 at 09:03
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Hi Jakob,
This is really interesting - thank you
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Posted By: Jakob Pinade
Date Posted: 04 November 2012 at 20:22
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I found a good explanation of how the stability curves are calculated. It is surprisingly straightforward and intuitive: http://www.sailboat-cruising.com/gz-curves.html Some zooming and alignment of the HR 342 plot shows that a GZ of 0.7m approximately corresponds to a GM of 4000kg*m ==> 5714kg used in the calculation. This means that HR 342 had about 414 kg of added weight, while Hanse had 440kg in the stability curve calculations. Assuming they both placed the added weight more or less in the same place, all the comparisons I did above are actually accurate and relevant. So to sum up: 1: Hanse 345 is slightly stiffer from 0 to about 38 degrees. This is the normal heeling range. 2: HR 342 is stiffer from about 38 to 95 degrees. This is a common range for broaches and knockdowns. 3: If we say that 0 to 95 degrees is what most of us will ever experience, HR 342 is stiffer overall, but not by much. 4: Not many of us will ever experience this, but beyond 95 degrees Hanse 345 is more eager and prone to right itself. |
Posted By: Johan Hackman
Date Posted: 04 November 2012 at 20:57
Anything less than 95 degrees in a broach is for sissies. Johan ------------- http://www.johanhackman.se" rel="nofollow - http://www.johanhackman.se |
Posted By: Stella*Nova
Date Posted: 08 November 2012 at 13:26
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Here's a video made by the german YACHT magazin. It shows the new Bavaria 33 vs. Hanse 345. There are two things I don't like: The wooden planks above the main windows and the double wheels. http://tv.yacht.de/video/Bavaria-Cruiser-33-gegen-Hanse-345/1833310a228ffb4512dd97e38f45e6ac" rel="nofollow - http://tv.yacht.de/video/Bavaria-Cruiser-33-gegen-Hanse-345/1833310a228ffb4512dd97e38f45e6ac ------------- BR Ralf, Ex. 'a mare' H370 |
Posted By: Johan Hackman
Date Posted: 08 November 2012 at 14:35
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I like the Bavaria. It seems to be a nice boat. Johan ------------- http://www.johanhackman.se" rel="nofollow - http://www.johanhackman.se |
Posted By: Vertigo
Date Posted: 08 November 2012 at 17:30
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Johan,
I am not sure our Admiral is allowed to say this
!! I was also positively surprisedabout the Bavaria 33 package. A friend of mine looked closely to both and despite
being Co-owner to my earlier 315 and now 375 he was surprised about improved
solutions and a much nicer look, this combined with a lower price than the 345.
I do not like to wood above main windows at all and hope this will disappear soon,
and am still happy with my 375.
Adrian
------------- S/Y Vertigo Hanse 375 #805 |
Posted By: Jakob Pinade
Date Posted: 08 November 2012 at 18:34
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Yes the Bavaria 33 looks nice. Pretty interior, nice cockpit, FOUR winches. I'm curious if it is available with a traveler for the main sheets? The biggest minus with the Bavaria 33 is the keel weight: 1300 kg... With that wide hull you just know it is going to bob around like a cork when the weather gets ugly and the waves start to build up. And from the video it seems like it is starting to bob and wobble even though it doesn't seem that windy. It's a pity the two boats aren't sailed together. The Hanse 345 certainly had calmer conditions. My guess is that Bavaria is great for sailing in lakes or protected waters, but when it comes to sailing on exposed passages I have much more belief in Hanse 345. Even though the weather in the video is almost too calm to say anything about how the Hanse behaves, the first impression is convincing. It moves like a big solid and stiff boat. There is another video on youtube, unfortunately with the same easy conditions: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9B6QeTQ0LwQ I'm really curious about how it will behave in some big swells, considering the very wide transom. If I'm not wrong the wooden board above the windows on Hanse is for handholds as well as for covering the lines. It is much nicer to grab some wood than an icy cold steel bar like on the Bavaria. So maybe the aesthetics is a bit weird, but I personally prefer that solution. What I find most confusing about the Hanse 345 is their "insistence" of their simplified solutions. That is not allowing an upgrade for a main traveler, and not planning for four winches when you design the hull. After all they have genoa travelers as an option, while a main sheet traveler would seem like a much more popular add-on. Designing for two genoa winches wouldn't take too much away from the outside passageway either. It is so nicely done for example on the 415: http://www.myhanse.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=6219&title=hanse-415-first-pitures Ok, a steel cradle isn't the end of the world, but in my opinion it is the one thing that is going to really stand out as unsightly. My idea of the perfect cockpit is the beautiful but price prohibitive Najad 355:  |
Posted By: kirkelund
Date Posted: 08 November 2012 at 18:38
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Out of fairness to our B...... sailing friends (whom we mostly feel sorry for) I would have to confess that the B...... 33 is an improvement. BUT, I think the Hanse 345 is clearly in the lead in my view. Allthough the double wheels on the 345 might seem to be an overkill, I am personally convinced that it is a very practical solution and more convenient than a very large single wheel. BTW, all B...... sailors are always welcome on board Amani (in case they need a hug  )Ole, ------------- Kirkelund "Amani" Lynetten, Copenhagen, Denmark Hanse 342 (grey hull, wheel steering, deep draft keel, Jefa rudder - RUD34) |
Posted By: Johan Hackman
Date Posted: 08 November 2012 at 21:13
I just said that the Bavaria looked nice. I did not say which was my favourite...but it is.... the 342! It is a shame they don't make them anymore.  Johan  ------------- http://www.johanhackman.se" rel="nofollow - http://www.johanhackman.se |
Posted By: Jakob Pinade
Date Posted: 08 November 2012 at 22:02
I agree Johan, it is beautiful. Very nice with the blue hull. Great detail with the dog watching the photographer  . I also think that the hulls from that generation is more aesthetically pleasing. On the other hand, in ten more years I probably will think that this generation is prettier .It is interesting to see the way the hull has developed over all these years. Now with this generation, e.g. the 345, the bow and stern is completely vertical. Since they can't take that any further I really wonder what they are going to come up with next. A downscaled version of the bulbous bow perhaps? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulbous_bow By the way, what do your dog think about your 95 degree broaches?
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Posted By: Johan Hackman
Date Posted: 08 November 2012 at 23:08
If I do my calculations correctly, a 15 metre mast will be 1,3 metres under the water at a 95 degree broach. If that happened I am sure Stampe would whisper a word or two in my ear about my in-correct sail trim. Johan ------------- http://www.johanhackman.se" rel="nofollow - http://www.johanhackman.se |
Posted By: Jakob Pinade
Date Posted: 08 November 2012 at 23:38
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You forgot to take the hull width and submerged freeboard into consideration. So my guess is that the mast is going to be pretty close to the surface . Not that the exact angle is what is going to concern anyone at that point. Stampe is probably just as unhappy with your sail trim . |
Posted By: Johan Hackman
Date Posted: 09 November 2012 at 07:43
That's what I am saying. If the cobweb is not washed away from the Windex when you broach it is not worth the name. On a more serious note, a dramatic broach would probably happen at an angle no more than 60 degrees when the righting moment is at its greatest. At that angle the wind will no longer affect the sails and the boat will right itself. If you find yourself at 95 degrees the boat will probably have been pushed to the side by a wave and then it is the weather conditions you should be concerned about and not the sail trim or choice. Johan ------------- http://www.johanhackman.se" rel="nofollow - http://www.johanhackman.se |
Posted By: Gulliver
Date Posted: 10 November 2012 at 22:45
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Hanse have produced a good clean looking boat but ruined it with the grotesque bow roller set up. David. ------------- David |
Posted By: Swanji
Date Posted: 22 November 2012 at 07:02
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Hi All For those who have not noticed, the Hanse 345 recently won the sailing boat of the year award run by an Italian magazine Vela et Motore. Well done to Hanse. I personally think that the Hanse 345 has some stunning features BUT ... Voile et Voiliers in their November edition review the new Bavaria 33 side by side with the Hanse 345. In the Hanse 345 review, They are critical of the mid boom sheeting arrangement coupled with undersized winches which they say makes the mainsail difficult to adjust to the right angle particularly when close hauled. They conclude " on board a Hanse, priority is given to comfort and ease to adjust (the sails) rather than being able to fine tune them (to optimize performance)" It is a great pity, IMHO, that there is no option for a traveller in the cockpit OR on the coach roof OR a pad eye on the cockpit table.. The Dufour 335 and the Bavaria 33 have opted for a pad eye solution on the cockpit table for controlling the power of the large main which I think is a great compromise solution. While I am on a role, surely Hanse should recognize the inherent limitations of its self tacking solution and offer a barber haul arrangement as standard to sort out the problems with setting the jib when sailing downwind. A decent bowsprit would also be a clear indication that Hanse are taking their performance cruising routes seriously. The Bavaria 33 that was tested had a proper bowsprit as well !! The other thing I noticed was that the Bavaria 33 that was tested had 6 winches to the Hanse's 2. Both boats have an adjustable backstay. Is the tide turning with future Hanse's occupying the position of floating caravan and Bavaria the new sailors yacht? Hanse's routes are with sailing enthusiasts. By not including vital aspects to be able to sail a boat properly, even as an option, they are at risk of alienating there main support base. It would be so easy to address this by including these as an option. If I were in the market for a new boat - which I am not - the lack of options on the Hanse would force me to look elsewhere. ANYONE AT HANSE LISTENING TO YOUR MAIN SUPPORT BASE? ------------- Onwards and upwards Nidri, Levkada, Ionian, Greece Hanse 350 #7, SY Evolution, standard keel, 3YM20 sail drive, 3 cabins, cherry wood interior, teak decks, feathering prop |
Posted By: Swanji
Date Posted: 22 November 2012 at 10:32
A thought just occurred to me. Maybe Hanse are well aware of the "problem"and are in fact not giving potential owners this option so as to differentiate Hanse from Dehler. Hopefully those looking for these options will üpgrade" to a Dehler"? The downside with this strategy is that Dehlers are at least 20% more expensive and so Hanse run the risk of losing their hitherto loyal client base. ------------- Onwards and upwards Nidri, Levkada, Ionian, Greece Hanse 350 #7, SY Evolution, standard keel, 3YM20 sail drive, 3 cabins, cherry wood interior, teak decks, feathering prop |
Posted By: Yeoman
Date Posted: 22 November 2012 at 10:54
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Hi Folks,
I think it would help this discussion if I was to take a MyHanse member out for a sail on a 345 as at the moment this thread has turned into a discussion based on peoples thoughts who sadly have not had a chance to sail it.
As you can imagine as I have been lucky enough to sail the 345 I find this thread a little frustrating. The 345 is a really fast little boat and Hanses ethos still to produce fast cruising boats which having sailed the current range they have achieved. They are not trying to build boats that need lots of tweaking and tuning to get the best out of them just nice, fast, easy to handle boats which they seems to have got down to a T.
I know Dave Daydream believer would be keen to come and then you can have a members unbiased view. Or anyone else who would like to.
Let me know
Cheers
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Posted By: Swanji
Date Posted: 22 November 2012 at 11:05
Hi Yeoman I would love to take you up on your offer but unfortunately I live in South Africa so this is not possible. My comments should not be misunderstood. I think the new Hanse 345 is a great looking yacht with many advantages. The only disadvantage that I can see is not offering potential owners options that I suspect many existing owners would value. I cannot see any downside to Hanse by doing this. Hanse wins as does the new owner who gets exactly what he wants and is willing to pay for it. Just my opininion of course. ------------- Onwards and upwards Nidri, Levkada, Ionian, Greece Hanse 350 #7, SY Evolution, standard keel, 3YM20 sail drive, 3 cabins, cherry wood interior, teak decks, feathering prop |
Posted By: Jakob Pinade
Date Posted: 23 November 2012 at 13:45
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Yeoman: I think you misunderstand slightly. I doubt that anybody here don't believe you when you say that this generation is faster than the previous. Anything else would frankly be a bit of a surprise. The point is that there are two types of sailors that have their own way of enjoying cruising. The first group are people that just hoist the sails, adjust the sheets more or less correctly and happily cruise along while enjoying the sea and the scenery. The second group are people that enjoy to more or less adjust the sails all the time. They always tries to avoid turbulence in all the areas of the sails. And they always check the telltales to get a hint of how the sails are trimmed. While the first group would be perfectly happy with an easy and carefree setup that works reasonably well in most conditions, the second group has some other demands. They probably want a genoa with genoatracks (preferably line controlled), a mainsail with a traveler, a cunningham, a fractional rig with a backstay tensioner. They might even want tracks for controlling the twist of their gennaker/code zero as well. It is not necessarily about speed and not at all about racing. Increased speed, less heeling and a more comfortable behavior are just consequences of this way of enjoying cruising, and parts of the proof of a job well done. Of course this is a simplification and many are somewhere in between these two groups. My friend belongs totally to the first group. He would buy the Hanse 345 as it is, and just enjoy happy days. He would visit this forum if he had some practical concerns and worries. I am firmly and beyond hope planted in the second group, and I would buy the 345 as an unfinished project. No, I'm not into racing at all, I like to cruise. Also, I visit this forum for enjoyment and discussion. I think that while the first group is not too active in this thread, the second group is. While Hanse in the past has been reasonably concerned with both these types sailors from the cruising community, this last generation of boats leans much more towards the first group. The evidence is in not allowing a main sheet traveler upgrade, and not planning for four winches when you design the hull. Remember that adding options doesn't mean that you have to buy them or even to use them. Their current mantra is fast but easy. Not fast, easy and adjustable. And this is what I believe many in here is concerned about. At the moment it seems to me that in the price bracket of Hanse 345, it is the only boat that is concerned with weight stability. After hull shape, mast and keel placement, that is the least modifiable aspect of a boat. Also while the quality and reputation of the rig and equipment is dubious, the general quality of construction and GRP work is rock solid. So, if I buy this boat (which I probably will) I buy it as a long term project. I would need to install a main traveler and a cunningham as well. I also would have to modify the genoa tracks with line controls. Maybe even replace them with longer ones. The idea that I am currently toying with is to install a removable traveler on the narrow benches immediately in front of the rudder wheel pidestalls. Perhaps even use the pidestalls as reinforcement points. Probably use the German sheeting so that I wouldn't have a big heavy block pounding the chart plotter. I would use a metal plate as reinforcement below the benches. This would give me a really long and almost optimally placed removable traveler. After that upgrade I would start to save money to buy a genoa. I believe there are more than enough people like me out there that Hanse should have put more emphasis onto our needs. |
Posted By: Markku
Date Posted: 24 November 2012 at 05:52
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I second Jakob. Being more or less in the latter group in his description I proudly own one of those 'older' Hanses having all those options; main sheet traveller in the cockpit, additional winches, lots of space for gear, etc. Those are the things I wouldn't ever give away as a trade off. That's why I can't see myself to upgrade to any of the existing new Hanses. So if not any of the past Hanse models, it has to be from a different brand. Markku ------------- S/Y Flow Hanse 371 |
Posted By: Yeoman
Date Posted: 24 November 2012 at 10:00
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Hi Markku,
I am sure guys know that it is no problem to order any of the new range with all of the sail tweaking equipment. Extra winches, genoa tracks, mainsheet travellers etc.
They are now just not standard and a lower standard price to reflect this. The main reason being so people who do not want them do not feel like they have paid for them unnecessarily.
Kind regards
Phil
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Posted By: Johan Hackman
Date Posted: 24 November 2012 at 15:14
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I am amused by the dilemma that Yeoman is facing when writing in this forum. There is a Swedish children's TV program called "Five Ants Is More Than Four Elephants". The title is supposed to teach children that no matter the size of the animal, five is greater than four. Now, it is equally true to say that "Four Elephants is less Than Five Ants", wouldn't you agree? The same goes for new products, such as a new boat model. By saying that the new model is "improved, better, faster, points higher etc" you say that the previous model is "not as good, slower, points lower etc". While the former is good news for the sales man and potential buyers, the latter is not what existing owners want to hear. If you wait a few years you will find that boats have been improved so that they can sail straight into the wind. I mean, each model points a few degrees higher than the previous one if you should believe what they say. Or you go back a few years and look at http://www.myhanse.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=126&title=new-341-will-be-342" rel="nofollow - this thread from 2004 when the 342 was introduced to be an improved 341. I for one think it is fun to read the comments. My personal view is still that the 342 is the best of them all but hey, that is just me. Johan  ------------- http://www.johanhackman.se" rel="nofollow - http://www.johanhackman.se |
Posted By: Jakob Pinade
Date Posted: 24 November 2012 at 17:03
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Yeoman: If you say that a main sheet traveler is available, then sorry for all the grumpy complaining. However, I have seen three price lists for the 345, and it isn't listed in any of those. Here are two of them: www.hanseyachts.hr/brochures/hanse-345-pricelist.pdf www.bryggan.net/pdf/prishanse345.pdf The cradle solution for the secondary winches isn't a major issue for me. But it is rather unsightly, and it makes it seem like their emphasis has shifted somewhat. Personally I think the 345 looks like the best of all the Hanse boats around 34' so far. Not necessarily the pretties, but the best. More weight in the keel, nicer interior, huge pantry, separate shower behind the toilet (not in front as is annoyingly common) which makes it easy to use as a wet locker (perhaps with a few modifications), more hatches/windows. I don't believe the photos lie too much either, since all the preliminary reports about the interior are very positive so far. I even think the exterior is nice, at least in the photos. And I can live with a main sheet point on the coach roof as well, as long as it is a line controlled traveler. Even X-Yachts use this solution in their cruising range. If they think it is good enough, then I am not going to argue. After all X-Yachts have been the hallmark for performance ever since they arrived on the scene. The twin wheels seems to me like a reasonable trade off. It does make sense in a wide cockpit. And I always sit on the side benches, so for me it is even preferable. Almost all the solutions I can't do anything about myself seems upgraded. Except for the cradle solution which is only acceptable. But I will have to upgrade the pin stop genoa tracks into line controlled ones, and find a way of bringing those lines back to the cockpit. And I might have to find a main sheet traveler solution. Depending upon if it is Yeoman or the price lists that are correct about this. Of course not everybody want to do this kind of work, so a lack of availability will always leave out some costumers. Complaining about the self tacker is not something I am going to do. If there is one thing that symbolizes Hanse it must be the self tacker. But a full genoa upgrade as described above would be a massive bonus for me. It used to be available though, so that is another hint of a shift in emphasis from Hanse. By the way, I think it is a great strength of this forum to have someone representing Hanse on this forum. So thank you to Yeoman for being active here. |
Posted By: Yeoman
Date Posted: 26 November 2012 at 09:34
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Hi Jakob,
I wish I had more time to spend enjoying the forum.
The mainsheet traveller option is something that we offer as the dealer rather than from Hanse during build. An overlapping genoa has never been a factory option (in my 7 years here) but again we have delivered a number larger genoas to compliment the jib.
Both a cockpit traveller and a coachroof traveller are available options. As you say I think the coachroof option is the right choice as you do not need to start getting rid of the cockpit table.
As a dealer we believe we have to offer a high level of customisation to our owners to ensure that their new Hanse is as close to exactly what they would like as possible.
I believe this approach has a lot to do with the success of Hanse in the UK and we really enjoy building each Hanse to really suit each owner.
The upgraded Elvstrom FCL sails are beautiful and really cope with stronger winds well. My wife and I sailed the 345 in 20 knots true with full sail and it sailed fast and upright (happy wife).
We actually sailed faster and higher than an Arcona 400 which i really enjoyed too!
Kind regards
Phil
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Posted By: Swanji
Date Posted: 26 November 2012 at 09:42
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Hi Phil Great response to what has been a worthwhile discussion. I am very happy to hear that you folks are happy to customize the boats even if Hanse themselves don't. ------------- Onwards and upwards Nidri, Levkada, Ionian, Greece Hanse 350 #7, SY Evolution, standard keel, 3YM20 sail drive, 3 cabins, cherry wood interior, teak decks, feathering prop |
Posted By: Johan Hackman
Date Posted: 26 November 2012 at 09:47
For a statement like that to have any bearing you must tell on what point of sail you were on. Sailing downwind with full sails will give you upright sailing and no need to reef even at 25 to 30 knots, while beating would be a different matter. Sorry for educating you, Phil. Johan ------------- http://www.johanhackman.se" rel="nofollow - http://www.johanhackman.se |
Posted By: Johan Hackman
Date Posted: 26 November 2012 at 09:53
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Not that I don't recognize sales talk when I see it. "Happy wife", haha. That will sell a few Hanses, will it not? I am among the people who enjoy you presence here so don't take me wrong. I am just pulling your leg. Johan ------------- http://www.johanhackman.se" rel="nofollow - http://www.johanhackman.se |
Posted By: Johan Hackman
Date Posted: 26 November 2012 at 10:01
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This is how upright my 342 sails upwind in 20 knots of true wind with two reefs in the main. Johan  ------------- http://www.johanhackman.se" rel="nofollow - http://www.johanhackman.se |
Posted By: Yeoman
Date Posted: 26 November 2012 at 11:41
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Good Point Johan,
That was upwind but then the 345 has the same sail area as your 342 but it is 1 ton heavier and half of that is in the keel so it should be stiffer. The performance sails also make the boat sail flatter too.
I would imagine that in light winds it would be a close race as yours is more powerful but the 345 has a longer waterline.
Kind regards
Phil
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Posted By: Gregor
Date Posted: 26 November 2012 at 14:27
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It seems a bit heavy on the Helm Johan?? Release the main a little Gregor ------------- Uisge Beatha Currently sailing Dehler 36 JV (2002) Previous boat: Hanse 311 #80 http://www.uisge-beatha.eu" rel="nofollow - http://www.uisge-beatha.eu |
Posted By: Johan Hackman
Date Posted: 26 November 2012 at 14:34
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I don't agree that the helm looks heavy in the picture. The heeling is excessive though. Johan ------------- http://www.johanhackman.se" rel="nofollow - http://www.johanhackman.se |
Posted By: Brufan
Date Posted: 26 November 2012 at 16:54
Yes. The heeling is excessive. But your wife seems happy anyway... ------------- Bruno hanse 355 - 57 S/Y Spicy Ginger White hull, 2 cabins, Volvo D1-30, Selden rig, removable mainsheet track system, Simrad (now B&G)-Jefa autopilot. |
Posted By: Markku
Date Posted: 26 November 2012 at 19:13
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Phil, I believe it's possible to sail faster than Arcona 400 as we are many different sailors out there, but admit, it shouldn't be like that. You just happen to be a better sailor, good for You. I don't think anybody claims 34 feet cruiser boat being faster than 40 feet, which has recognised as fast cruiser racer. Markku ------------- S/Y Flow Hanse 371 |
Posted By: Yeoman
Date Posted: 27 November 2012 at 11:16
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Hi Markku,
Of course I understand that if sailed by the same person the 400 should be a faster boat i was just enjoying myself.
I am by no means a fast sailor either - probably just an easier boat to sail fast.
Kind regards
Phil
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Posted By: PPolux
Date Posted: 28 March 2014 at 18:52
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Hi, I saw your study regarding the Hanse 345/ HR 342 stability and found your findings very curious. I made a post on my Blog about the same subject as a part of a series of posts about stability. Maybe you have interest in having a look. Regards, http://interestingsailboats.blogspot.pt/
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Posted By: richz
Date Posted: 28 March 2014 at 19:44
| Thank you Paulo. Interesting reading. |
Posted By: Swanji
Date Posted: 29 March 2014 at 09:15
Hi Paulo Great review for all H345 owners and potential owners. I wonder the difference in price is between a HR 342 and a like for like specified H345? I am sure that the Hanse 345 offers huge value. ------------- Onwards and upwards Nidri, Levkada, Ionian, Greece Hanse 350 #7, SY Evolution, standard keel, 3YM20 sail drive, 3 cabins, cherry wood interior, teak decks, feathering prop |