Lazy bag and Elvstron FCL sails
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Topic: Lazy bag and Elvstron FCL sails
Posted By: richz
Subject: Lazy bag and Elvstron FCL sails
Date Posted: 08 September 2013 at 20:09
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Is anyone who has the FCL Elvstrom sails experiencing issue with the Yard's lazy bag? Is the mainsail fitting into the bag easily? Thanks to anyone who will leave a feedback. |
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Posted By: Silver
Date Posted: 08 September 2013 at 21:34
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Hi Richard, my experience on this subject is not so negative. Sofaf for me the biggest, but fading, issue is that the mainsail keeps memory of the orginal folding, and therefore when moored, each time that the wind allows me, I re-pack it carefully avoiding the original bends. I'd rather replace, or at least modify, the original lazy jack, whose tension cannot be adjusted very easily IMHO; I think I'll add a couple of blocks and move the adjusting line to the mast. Bye, Maurizio ------------- Hanse 345 # 51 Performance sails Volvo D1-30 KiwiProp Coppercoat |
Posted By: hanafe
Date Posted: 10 September 2013 at 00:02
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I have the experience on my 445. The standard lazy bag is too small for the FCL sails. It is very hard to close the bag. After one year of usage a changed it to a bigger one. I could have alterated it and sew in more sunbrella at the upper part, but I decided to change to sunbrella and another colour as well. Now it is easy to close. HanaFe |
Posted By: richz
Date Posted: 19 September 2013 at 20:53
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I am going to order the zippack airflow from elvstrom. In principle this should be fitting perfectly with fcl sails... Anyone has had any experience with it? |
Posted By: richz
Date Posted: 28 March 2014 at 22:16
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I thought it could be helpful posting some photos of the zippack airflow from Elvstrom on the H345...    |
Posted By: Fendant
Date Posted: 29 March 2014 at 06:50
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Thanks very much for posting this, it really looks great and is much bigger than the crappy solution ex works.
Unfortunately the yard does still not recognize the fault that the standard lazy bag is too small for the stiffer FCL sails. It is almost impossible to close for anybody shorter than 2.20 m and I have already the first spots on the zipper where the seam yields to the stress.
In fact Hanse after sales lives to its reputation and starts playing ping pong with their supplier Wendel & Rados, who of course have a vested interest in not acknowledging their faulty design.
The last comm from Hanse was "your customer is an idiot as he does not fold the sail in a way that it fits into our lazy bag".
In short " Don't order the lazy bag ( or any canvas work) from the yard" spend your money with local people who know what they are talking about and are dedicated to a real after sales service! ------------- Frank |
Posted By: Clouded Pearl
Date Posted: 29 March 2014 at 07:49
| My 385 is 2 years old, has the factory lazybag with North ACL laminate sails and the previous owner hardly used her at all. The bag has fallen apart and frayed, the stiffening battens have snapped and the boot is now so bad it is about to blow away in the next gale. In contrast, all the other canvas is from Covercraft and it is in excellent condition. Result? I have ordered a new lazybag from Covercraft. I agree with the last post. |
Posted By: CharlesP
Date Posted: 29 March 2014 at 20:03
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Apart from the quality, is the design from Covercraft different from the factory supplied lazybag? After three seasons, my factory supplied lazybag is close to needing to be replaced. I, too, am very pleased with the other items which came from Covercraft, namely the sprayhood and wheel cover. Charles ------------- 'MERIDIAN LADY' 320 Nr 536 2010 Medway |
Posted By: samuel
Date Posted: 30 March 2014 at 18:20
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Charles You are not that far from Burnham on Crouch Lonton & Gray sail makers would make you an excellent cover if anyone is having a problem getting stiff sails into the bag just fit some internal straps. After a short while ( ie when you arrive into a marina having dropped the sail outside) the sail compresses or at least you can fold it better & you can zip it up. This was a mod I made on my original Hanse cover. i now have a Lonton cover which works OK  ------------- Daydream Believer- Hanse 311- No GBR9917T- Bradwell Essex |
Posted By: CharlesP
Date Posted: 30 March 2014 at 19:41
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Thank you for the info Samuel. I had a look today when we were fitting our sails and I think my existing cover might get through this season after a bit of repair work. I would like to have a look at your cover should our paths cross, as your idea for quickly stowing your main looks good. Charles ------------- 'MERIDIAN LADY' 320 Nr 536 2010 Medway |
Posted By: Fendant
Date Posted: 05 July 2014 at 00:07
Well as W&R ( Worst & Rubbish ) told me that I am idiot not capable to fold my FCL wardrobe to fit into their perfectly designed and manufactured lazybag  I had to find my own way to solve this problem. At least they admitted that the masthood was way too small and they supplied a new much bigger one. Still Hanse refused to change the lazy bag to a bigger one. I decided to have a triangle shaped insert made by a local sail maker. Now I can easily close the zipper without the risk of damaging the expensive FCL main sail. He promised me that he will see me with in order for making me a new bag within the next 24 months  Comparing W&R Quality with the jib cover and bimini made by Nauti Sattler I know why. I repeat my advice to have all canvas work ( lazy bag, jib cover, bimini, sprayhood... )to be excecuted by a knowledgable local outfit and not to order it ex works. ------------- Frank |
Posted By: Sebba
Date Posted: 05 July 2014 at 09:18
| Look into Kappel go Annat in Sweden . Very good work , they made for Sprayhood+++++ for Sweden,Danmark and Norway . |
Posted By: kweetje
Date Posted: 05 July 2014 at 10:07
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we had our lazy-jack replaced this year, sinc cloth quality of the original one was to light. After 4 years it had holes everywhere ------------- First 4000 miles, no substantial problems |
Posted By: Jon 139
Date Posted: 06 July 2014 at 13:26
| Hi there, still a very new 415 for me but I have the FCL sails and the standard bag. I lower the sail as quickly as she'll drop. Then I crank in the vang to get the boom super low almost touching the spray hood. Then crank it off to one side and I can then really get over it to work the material into straight pleats. I roll the sides inward as I close the zipper so it can tighten in on its own as I move up the boom. Not easy I would say but it is consistently working. Not too much room for it to be crinkled and messy, that's for sure. |
Posted By: silversailor
Date Posted: 07 July 2014 at 00:30
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Jon and others, I have just sent an email to Elvstrom inquiring about their sail drop bag. Do you recommend their bag? I, too, have a laminated sail. does the sail fall mostly in the bag? Are the lazy jacks adjustable? Is it easy to roll the bag up on either side (as I do for racing)? Do they use Sunbrella or similar material? Or a lighter material? Thanks for any info you can provide. ------------- Silversailor South Haven, MI USA S/V Legacy 2010 Andrews 28 |
Posted By: Fendant
Date Posted: 07 July 2014 at 08:04
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I think anything from Elvström is better than W&R ( worst and rubbish ). Furthermore you can specify all the Features your sailbag should have. From Hanse you get inferior quality ( not Sunbrella ) and a one size ( does not ) fits all. ------------- Frank |
Posted By: Gregor
Date Posted: 26 June 2016 at 10:34
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I'm considering making one myself. What I see are two types of stack pack / zip pack, one with a aluminium rail nailed on the boom and one use the groove in the boom. I think Elvstrom is doing it that way. Any experience to share why to chose one or the other? ------------- Uisge Beatha Currently sailing Dehler 36 JV (2002) Previous boat: Hanse 311 #80 http://www.uisge-beatha.eu" rel="nofollow - http://www.uisge-beatha.eu |
Posted By: silversailor
Date Posted: 26 June 2016 at 15:11
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My 2006 370 came with the sail pack that slides in the boom. The advantage, as I see it, is that no extra hardware is required. It requires a loose footed main. Either system should have substantial mesh inserts at the lowest part of the sail pack to allow drainage and air flow. Take a look at www.leesailcovers.com. They offer a slightly different model that simply fits under the boom and is supported by the lazy jacks. If I was to buy a new one now, I might try theirs since it would be very easy to remove when racing. ------------- Silversailor South Haven, MI USA S/V Legacy 2010 Andrews 28 |
Posted By: Gregor
Date Posted: 26 June 2016 at 16:56
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Thanks Silversailor. I don't race that often with my boat, so I don't mind having the flaps of the stack pack up. I wonder how the system of Lee Sail Covers stays attached to the boom. Drainage is indeed a good point, especially when it slides in the boom I presume it's closed at the bottom and with a one length string going through the boom. ------------- Uisge Beatha Currently sailing Dehler 36 JV (2002) Previous boat: Hanse 311 #80 http://www.uisge-beatha.eu" rel="nofollow - http://www.uisge-beatha.eu |
Posted By: charentebob
Date Posted: 26 June 2016 at 19:59
| I agree with Silversailor about the groove fitted bag much simpler. There is no line in the boom but a line at the mast end of the bag to tow it down the boom until it reaches the mast where you tie it off. If making one yourself make sure the slots in the lazy bag are in the right position for the reefing line to pull the foot of the sail tight like an outhaul. The slot in the Lazy bag for Reef 1 in my Hanse lazy bag is in too far forward. This means the bottom of the reefed sail is very very full & more like the shape of a spinnaker! Short of cutting the bag I can't alter the situation. |
Posted By: Gregor
Date Posted: 26 June 2016 at 20:30
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There is a line between the two boom end's?? Haven't noticed that earlier, only saw them with slides. If you pull a line between these two end, how much slack is there for the outhaul? Thanks for the top on the reef lines. ------------- Uisge Beatha Currently sailing Dehler 36 JV (2002) Previous boat: Hanse 311 #80 http://www.uisge-beatha.eu" rel="nofollow - http://www.uisge-beatha.eu |
Posted By: seileren1
Date Posted: 27 June 2016 at 13:53
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On both of my Hanse boats, the factory supplied lazy bags have been of poor quality. They have been too tight, with poor quality fabric and poor quality zipper. On our existing boat, I had the bag widened and changed the zipper. It is now on its 4 year and it may last through this season The advice in this tread is valuable - as always Cheers |