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Topic: Speed upwind
Posted By: Gregor
Subject: Speed upwind
Date Posted: 25 September 2006 at 06:43
This weekend I sailed my first match with my Hanse 311. The wind varied between 6-12knots. We noticed that upwind we could not sail higher than 45-40 degrees and not faster than 3-3.5knts. I'd like to know your experiences on this. BTW, I noticed this before, but did not pay that much attention to it, but when sailing miles ahead and losing it all at the upwind course, is frustrating

Thanks,
Gregor



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Posted By: tremalnaik
Date Posted: 25 September 2006 at 11:47

 

I've got a 315 with selftaking jib: with 13/14 kn apparent wind (9/10 real) I sail 30/33 degrees apparent wind  (nearly 45° real) and my speed is 5,2 / 5,3. I don' t have a folding propeller. Pay attention to your mast!

Bye



Posted By: Gregor
Date Posted: 25 September 2006 at 13:00

I do have a folding propeller.

@tremalnaik: That's not bad. What type of mast trim do you do? Does your boat still have the self tacking jib?

Thnkx



Posted By: samuel
Date Posted: 25 September 2006 at 19:43

When I first had my 312 I was really upset at being passed to windward by old Westerlies etc

Shortly after I bought the boat I was trying to beat back from Ostend in a blow --a French Contessa 32 sailed up to us , around us, & off again. We covered 13 miles in 6 hours & ended up motoring home. Most offputting.

The first problem was that as a new Hanse it came with the antifoulling supplied by Hanse. This was useless & there was severe fouling on the keel after a few weeks. This has been sorted by using Blakes Ocean performer. It really suffers even from very little weed on the very bottom of the keel

The second was the self tacking jib. I had it recut & it improved but a new jib helped a lot

Finally I found that sail trim is extremely important. I actually sail with the main very slack in the halliard so the sail looks awful. However, one world champion & one european champion have sailed the boat & both of them immediately got her up to over 6 Knots to windward in light & heavy airs.( But I do not intend to change the helmsman!!!!!)

I now have a Brunton auto prop & it is much easier to get it going.

 I have begun to master it now, after 3 years, & one of the things I like is that it is a real sail tweekers boat & really rewarding once you get the hang of it.

But when things aren't going quite right to windward I just hook up the aeries wind vane & it solves the problem. I do find it easier to get the correct trim with the aeries as it always sails consistently, so any alteration in sails shows on the log



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Daydream Believer- Hanse 311- No GBR9917T- Bradwell Essex


Posted By: marcust
Date Posted: 25 September 2006 at 21:12
Originally posted by samuel samuel wrote:

Finally I found that sail trim is extremely important.


Sorry, but, uhh, duh - yeh!  ;-)

An experienced sailor in a 30 year old Contessa with good, well set sails, will sail better than anyone in a modern 30 footer with badly set sails. 

There's no substitute for good sails, and learning how to use them!






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Marcus Tettmar

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Posted By: mqh7
Date Posted: 25 September 2006 at 22:34

I have a Hanse 311.  I too had new sails made and the sail maker cut the jib differently.  Also, when I got my Hanse it was slow.  I had it hauled out of the water and the boat yard said the bottom paint looked like it was slopped on with a mop. 

So, with proper bottom paint, new sails and a folding prop I could then hit 5+ knots when beating no problem.  I have hit over 6 knots when beating but that was in pretty strong winds.

I have noticed my 311 is a bit faster when beating on a port tack Vs a starboard tack.

Matt

 



Posted By: tremalnaik
Date Posted: 28 September 2006 at 07:50

Dear Gregor, excuse me because of my awful english! First of all you'd be sure that your masthead is not lee from the longitudinal mast axis. Then you have to keep the lower part of your mast straight and stiff using low shrouds. You've also to trim thr mainsail halyard very slack because if you have too an autotacking jib you need all the power that your sails can produce! I don't know if your upwind angle will be better, but i'm sure your speed will increase.

Bye



Posted By: DAK1
Date Posted: 02 October 2006 at 15:11
Matt,
 
what brand of folding prop do you use - and is it two or three bladed? I too sail more quickly on the port tack.


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Baltic Breeze


Posted By: mqh7
Date Posted: 02 October 2006 at 15:39
Dak....I have a two blade folding prop that is 15 inches across.  And I forget the name of the maker but I know it was made in Australia.  It said so on the prop.....
 
And if you also sail quicker on the port tack what causes this?  Is the keel not true?
 
Matt
  


Posted By: christian
Date Posted: 02 October 2006 at 21:07
On my boat the log is on the port side of the keel.
This gives false reading when sailing upwind.


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Hanse 370e # 346
X Hanse 312 #247
1991 11:Metre One Design 2003 Stingray 5,2 RIB 90 Suzuki X First 25 X First Class 8 X Triss Norlin


Posted By: Frode
Date Posted: 06 October 2006 at 22:05
With my Hanse 315 I when I was sailing at 45 degrees true wind, I first got 4.0 knots typically with the standard self-tacking jib and fixed propeller.  Then I realized that if I sailed quicker, at 5.0 knots, I could also hold 45 degrees to the wind. (Still, I have much to learn.)
 
So, when sailing close to the wind, try not sailing too slow.
 
I'm now getting a folding propeller, a 140% D-cut genoa, and a mainsheet traveller in the cockpit.  Smile


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Frode, Stavanger/Norway
Hanse 315 # 390


Posted By: Scotch Mist
Date Posted: 07 October 2006 at 13:09
Hi Guys  Just to say my 312 with deep fin,self tacker and folding prop,sails at 35-40 deg to appt wind at very competitive speed in all but light airs (need a genny or poss code 0). As per other posts though - to get the best performance you need to tweek. As a matter of interest at the end of 2 seasons I'm finding its the tweeking at the top end of the wind speed range which I'm finally getting the hang of.
 
PS 11 knots plus in aprox 30-34 knots wind speed crossing Chichester Bar last Sun - broad reaching. WOA! (OK surfing helped)!


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Andrew



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