Round the Island Race 2014
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Topic: Round the Island Race 2014
Posted By: geoff107
Subject: Round the Island Race 2014
Date Posted: 31 January 2014 at 12:46
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We have just entered Water Colour (Hanse 400) in the J.P. Morgan Asset Management 2014 Round the Island Race. Entered for ISC rating - based currently on our Main and ST Jib, although we will be buying an assymetric and maybe a code 0 before the race, so will need to update our entry as appropriate to get the right handicap. We last did this race in 2008 in a 23ft Sonata in fairly strong winds (F5 gusting F7) and rolling waves (that dwarfed the boat) south of the island, so should be a more comfortable experience this year - it was a blast in the Sonata - especially the 17 mile spinnaker run (with only a couple of broaches), so really looking forward to this year's race. Who else is entered/entering? Geoff Water Colour - Hanse 400 #471 GBR 3471 L ------------- Geoff Water Colour - Hanse 400 #471 Sail number GBR 3471 L |
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Posted By: Yeoman
Date Posted: 31 January 2014 at 19:20
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Hi Geoff, You may know this already but if not bear in mind that a true code zero will be cut to rate as a spinnaker. If I remember rightly this means that the half height width is atleast two thirds of the foot length. A sail designed differently will rate as a headsail....a very big one and have a negative effect on your handicap. We are going to run an open house week prior to the race where you can bring your Hanse to the Hamble and our engineers will come and make sure everything is in order prior to race day. There will be no charge just a good service to Hanse owners. We will get in touch will all UK owners shortly to promote it officially. Kind regards Phil ------------- Inspiration Marine Group LTD - UK Importer for Hanse Yachts. Helping owner’s to get the best from their boats. |
Posted By: geoff107
Date Posted: 31 January 2014 at 19:54
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Thanks Phil I think we will have a 'cruising Code 0' rather than IRC compliant 'racing Code 0' - but I'm still learning, so put me right if I'm talking rubbish. It sounds like you are saying that it will either be counted as a large headsail or spinnaker, but whilst we may take a hit on handicap (either way) we are thinking the Code 0 will give us good upwind performance in light winds, whereas we might be going nowhere with the STJib. Similarly, the Assymetric is for downwind performance as the ST jib is ineffective downwind. As I say, we are novices with the H400 so welcome any advice from more experienced owners. And to put it into context, whilst we are doing the RTIR and maybe occasional club racing, we essentially want to have a set of sails suitable for cruising, and in particular, easily manageable short handed cruising. We believe that complimenting the main and jib with a furling asymmetric and furling code 0, both on Karver top down furling system gives us this option. All comments welcome Thanks Geoff ------------- Geoff Water Colour - Hanse 400 #471 Sail number GBR 3471 L |
Posted By: Yeoman
Date Posted: 31 January 2014 at 20:00
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Hi Geoff Well worth looking at the Furlstrom from Elvstrom. It is code zero esque and you can hold them up to about 45 degrees apparent in circa 12 knots apparent. A really impressive light wind sail The furlstrom is nylon rather than laminate so not quite as stiff as a true code zero. If you are going for an assymetric as well you might as well go for a laminate code zero and make the best of the light wind, upwind options. You will learn loads from a chat with Jeremy at Elvstrom on 02380 450430. You may need a deck mounted bow sprit on a 400 to operate effectively Kind regards Phil ------------- Inspiration Marine Group LTD - UK Importer for Hanse Yachts. Helping owner’s to get the best from their boats. |
Posted By: Mark&Catherine
Date Posted: 31 January 2014 at 20:09
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Hello Geoff,
As i understand it you can go for irc or an island club handicap. If irc, a non-measuring code 0 is not a good idea because you will get hit too much in handicap, so if you are going irc then get a measuring one. For your deep asymmetric i woudn't bother with the top down furler, we tried it and its better to get a couple of young blokes on the foredeck, pull out the jib to de power the kite, send one guy down into the forepeak and pull the kite down behind the jib straight down the hatch. Just my experience, but the top down furlers take an age to furl (unlike the sails with the luff line sown into the sail) and in strong winds they tend to get messed up which is just when you need them.
good luck though, it will be a great experience
M ------------- 385 ubulukutu sail number GBR 3350L in Turkey and Greece with Mark and Catherine |
Posted By: geoff107
Date Posted: 31 January 2014 at 20:34
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Thanks Mark Definitely not racing IRC, we are ISC rating Thing is, the sails need to be manageable with self and wife for cruising. We are prepared to sacrifice some race performance for cruising ease of use. We will only race very occasionally. Geoff ------------- Geoff Water Colour - Hanse 400 #471 Sail number GBR 3471 L |
Posted By: geoff107
Date Posted: 07 March 2014 at 20:33
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So... we have ordered a code 0 and asymmetric spinny from Kemp, who offered great advice and seemed very knowledgable - they really seemed much more helpful than the rest ( we also spoke to North, Hyde, Jeckells, Crusader, Doyle, Goachers, and a couple of others) both sails to go on a Karver KSF4 top down furler - we researched it to death and the Karver top down furler seems to be better thought of than any other furling system, especially for ease of use when short handed. I think we are done! Hopefully we will get new sails in time for some practice before the RTIR race in June I don't know what ISC class we will be in - does it depend on the size of the new sails? I completed the entry with main and ST jib, but will notify new sail measurements when I have the details. Any other Hanses taking part in RTIR? Our plans beyond the RTIR are to spend summer on South and south west coast using MDL marinas where possible, Solent in June for RTIR, July in Brixham, maybe go as far as Plymouth, then Aug / Sept back to Solent and return Chatham Maritime towards end of summer Would be great to meet any Hanses on our travels Geoff ------------- Geoff Water Colour - Hanse 400 #471 Sail number GBR 3471 L |
Posted By: CharlesP
Date Posted: 08 March 2014 at 17:28
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We may see you somewhere Geoff. We will hope to get to the Scillies again. You seem to have plenty of time, so why are you only going as far as Plymouth? Charles ------------- 'MERIDIAN LADY' 320 Nr 536 2010 Medway |
Posted By: geoff107
Date Posted: 08 March 2014 at 20:49
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Hi Charles "Plenty of time"!! I wish! Still have to do the day job so will be taking a couple of weeks vacation and some long weekends travelling to and fro somehow between home in Kent and wherever we leave the boat. I'll look out for you on our travels Geoff ------------- Geoff Water Colour - Hanse 400 #471 Sail number GBR 3471 L |
Posted By: holby
Date Posted: 10 March 2014 at 19:38
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Hi Geoff, We are doing the RTIR, but it is a different Island... We are competing in the Isle of Man version, I understand, that most racers take between 22 to 25 Hrs.. Our race starts from Port St Mary on Sat 24th May, then back after back to Douglas to watch the TT for a day or so. Good Luck  ------------- Hanse 301, tiller steering, Volvo 2010 (10hp) 
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Posted By: Ian Robinson
Date Posted: 16 April 2014 at 19:18
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Hi Geoff, For the record I have entered my 370 (Ostara) too. To date I think there are 13 Hanses entered. It will be my first time. One of our Rear Admirals Mark, the Mark&Catherine Mark, has volunteered to join my crew. I am puzzling what to do about my Code 0 (Luff = 15.7m, Leach = 14.2m, Foot = 8.2 m and
the 1/2th width = 4.084m) North Sails think that it will be handicap free as it is smaller at 60m2 than my Cruising Chute (+/-90m2). I have a 130% genoa. If the code 0 is handicap free I will take it, but will leave behind otherwise. I have a booking in the Cowes Island Harbour Marina for the Friday and Saturday nights. I hope to arrive in the Solent on Wednesday or Thursday and I would be pleased to meet up with other Hanse owners if there is an opportunity. Regards Ian ------------- Ostara a 370#88 |
Posted By: gertha
Date Posted: 16 April 2014 at 22:17
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Unless you are in the trophies on a regular basis no one will know what sails you are handicapped for, in a one off, no one will know what you are setup for. Take all your sails, cheat all the way, and win the race. I am a little bitter having lost against boats I know are not telling the truth.. We will be sailing up the chanel at the same time as race, if anyone can arrange a Myhanse meeting for the weekend I am up for it. ------------- Swanned off |
Posted By: geoff107
Date Posted: 16 April 2014 at 23:06
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Hi Ian We have ordered a couple of sails to compliment our original main and ST jib - an asymmetric, which is about 112 m2, and a code 0 at about 60 m2. We will be carrying and hoping to use the asymmetric, but the code zero will not be on the boat as ours measures as a large headsail, not a spinnaker, and we would therefore suffer on our handicap if we took the code 0. I'd rather play by the rules - if people want to cheat to win that is up to them - frankly I don't see the point. We will be berthing in Port Hamble before and after the race, at least a week either side, but will be rafting up somewhere at Cowes on the Saturday night. Hope to get the chance to meet other Hanse owners - it's our first year of owning a Hanse, so we are eager to meet and learn from the wider community. Geoff ------------- Geoff Water Colour - Hanse 400 #471 Sail number GBR 3471 L |
Posted By: holby
Date Posted: 17 April 2014 at 14:56
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Geoff, I agree with you play by the rules. In our Round the Island Race we are going for the IRC Handicap. Our race starts I think at 06.30 on Saturday May 24th. With the party the day before starting at 19.00. Our IRC is the LV TCC, and is Valid only for the race. Dave ------------- Hanse 301, tiller steering, Volvo 2010 (10hp)
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Posted By: Ian Robinson
Date Posted: 17 April 2014 at 17:41
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Hi Geoff, I have sent the details of my code 0 to the ISC rating team and await their answer. If it rates as a head sail it will stay in Essex. As I mentioned, on Saturday we have a berth at the Island Harbour marina and I will be very happy to meet up with you and any other Hanses in the vicinity. I don't have to leave the Solent on Sunday or Monday either. My mobile is 07795597488. regards Ian ------------- Ostara a 370#88 |
Posted By: mopoulter
Date Posted: 27 April 2014 at 18:46
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According to our local PHRF rules a code 0 either measures and rates as a spinnaker. If it does not measure as a spinnaker i.e midgirth is too small it becomes a head sail. If the LP is greater than 153% you will take a ratings hit. In fact the birth of the code 0 was to get around this rule.
For me on a distance race (like the Bayview Mac) where we can only carry two spinnakers I choose the (spinnaker measuring) Code 0 (80 sq meter) and one other 100 sq meter asym.
I also have a 153 % genoa and few other smaller head sails.
If you have to go upwind in light air the real code 0 has been a race winner for us. And its all legal!
On sunday morning around the cans racing the code 0 is too difficult tack and any advantage is lost by trying to move the sail from one side of the boat to other. This can be solved by putting it on a furler so you furl, tack and then unfurl but my budget has so far not permitted me to add this gear to my inventory.
------------- mp Hanse 370 #416 "Anxiolytic" |
Posted By: Ian Robinson
Date Posted: 20 May 2014 at 20:06
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Hi All, As expected the ISC say they will rate my Code 0 as a head-sail if I declare it. It will stay in Essex. Regards ian ------------- Ostara a 370#88 |
Posted By: Mark&Catherine
Date Posted: 20 May 2014 at 20:42
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What about the cruising chute is that ok? ------------- 385 ubulukutu sail number GBR 3350L in Turkey and Greece with Mark and Catherine |
Posted By: geoff107
Date Posted: 21 May 2014 at 10:26
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Hi Phil Any more info on the 'open house week' at IMG prior to the RTIR? We will be berthed at Hamble the week before the race, possibly two weeks before Geoff ------------- Geoff Water Colour - Hanse 400 #471 Sail number GBR 3471 L |
Posted By: Ian Robinson
Date Posted: 21 May 2014 at 11:41
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Hi Mark, The cruising chute is a declared sail. It has been cut a bit flat so that it will reach a bit tighter than a normal cut. Regards Ian ------------- Ostara a 370#88 |
Posted By: Ian Robinson
Date Posted: 21 May 2014 at 11:44
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Hi Phil, My earliest arrival in the Solent is Wednesday and it would be good to drop in on Thursday or Friday. Regards Ian ------------- Ostara a 370#88 |
Posted By: geoff107
Date Posted: 08 June 2014 at 23:15
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There are currently 29 Hanses entered, total entries so far over 1550. Last entries 18th June. We have had delays getting Water Colour's copper bottom done, but hope that will be done this week and we can launch early next week at Medway Yacht Club - we then have a three day sail round to the Solent, so will hopefully get there just in time! Geoff ------------- Geoff Water Colour - Hanse 400 #471 Sail number GBR 3471 L |
Posted By: Mark&Catherine
Date Posted: 09 June 2014 at 11:06
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That's a lot of whiskey if the burgee is up See you all there ------------- 385 ubulukutu sail number GBR 3350L in Turkey and Greece with Mark and Catherine |
Posted By: Frandy
Date Posted: 11 June 2014 at 20:45
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Hi all Will be entering Morgelyn for the second year. a Hanse 301 with navy hull and sail number GBR 3212L Good Racing every one  ------------- Andy |
Posted By: Mark_J1
Date Posted: 17 June 2014 at 00:40
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Good luck all. We won't be racing and won't get to the Solent until Saturday due to some non-sailing conflicts but may just wave at you from the Looe Channel as you go by! Forecast looking like you might need oars currently. Hope the wind gods change their mind and make it a bit more fun. Mark ------------- Hanse 400e "Grey Goose" Hull #31 |
Posted By: geoff107
Date Posted: 17 June 2014 at 07:14
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Thanks Mark We are launching at Medway this afternoon and setting off v early tomorrow morning, long leg Chatham to Eastbourne - getting as far as we can before the wind starts dropping - definitely hoping for more wind than currently forecast for race day. There are now 30 Hanses entered in a field of over 1580 boats. I'll look out for Grey Goose as we pass Bembridge Ledge! ------------- Geoff Water Colour - Hanse 400 #471 Sail number GBR 3471 L |
Posted By: geoff107
Date Posted: 17 June 2014 at 09:23
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Hi Ian I see that we are both ISCRS 4C, so I'll look out for Ostara on the start line on Saturday. We will arrive Port Hamble either Thursday evening or Friday afternoon, depending on progress around the coast in the next couple of days. (I want to push on to Hamble on Thursday, but the crew want to be tucked up in front of the TV by 8pm for some reason - I'm told it's an important match!) so we may stop at Brighton. BTW, We'll try not to be intimidated by your handicap advantage  ------------- Geoff Water Colour - Hanse 400 #471 Sail number GBR 3471 L |
Posted By: CharlesP
Date Posted: 17 June 2014 at 11:05
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Geoff - tell your crew that we could not find a pub in Brighton Marina showing the first England game, so they will have to go into Brighton City. We watched it on our small boat tv. Reception was fantastic. Charles ------------- 'MERIDIAN LADY' 320 Nr 536 2010 Medway |
Posted By: geoff107
Date Posted: 17 June 2014 at 11:33
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Hi Charles We've got a great tv on the boat and enough booze to make the boat sit low in the water (we'll have to drink it before the race!) so no need to find a pub for the footy! ------------- Geoff Water Colour - Hanse 400 #471 Sail number GBR 3471 L |
Posted By: Mark&Catherine
Date Posted: 18 June 2014 at 17:53
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Geoff, Ian can't log on just now, I am sailing with him, He suggests that you pop all the sails you didn't declare onto our boat before the start! Of course we will have to cut them down a bit, but we will stick the spare bits together and fly them under the boom to match your sail area. If we manage to get a line on your transom, we might just keep up. Ian and mark ------------- 385 ubulukutu sail number GBR 3350L in Turkey and Greece with Mark and Catherine |
Posted By: Mark&Catherine
Date Posted: 18 June 2014 at 17:56
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Oh, by the way there's a small tele with football at the marina, where're watching Australia holland just now ------------- 385 ubulukutu sail number GBR 3350L in Turkey and Greece with Mark and Catherine |
Posted By: geoff107
Date Posted: 20 June 2014 at 22:58
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Hi Ian and Mark We arrived Hamble last night after a two day sail from Chatham via Eastbourne. Couldn't get wifi last two days so only just seen your message. Sorry, already stowed the code 0 ashore, but wishing we declared it now. Good luck for the race - let's hope for more breeze than forecast! See you on the start line Geoff ------------- Geoff Water Colour - Hanse 400 #471 Sail number GBR 3471 L |
Posted By: geoff107
Date Posted: 21 June 2014 at 21:55
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Well... We've completed the RTID (Round The Island Driftathon!) Deep analysis of results and post mortem tomorrow! I think it was a fairly decent result considering lack of wind... If only we had the code 0 on the boat! Still, the asymmetric did a great job for us occasionly! The big yellow beast has been christened! Geoff ------------- Geoff Water Colour - Hanse 400 #471 Sail number GBR 3471 L |
Posted By: CharlesP
Date Posted: 22 June 2014 at 00:02
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Well done Geoff. Look forward to a report and hearing how the various Hanses faired. Good sailing winds down here in Scilly. Charles ------------- 'MERIDIAN LADY' 320 Nr 536 2010 Medway |
Posted By: Mark&Catherine
Date Posted: 22 June 2014 at 18:25
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Ian and I completed the race on Ian's Ostara. He still doesn't have access, but I'm sure he will post a detailed report when he can. For now I can report that we completed in 12 hours 54 minutes, and a very enjoyable day it was. Ian and family were a great to be with for the race, thanks for a great week Ian. Mark ------------- 385 ubulukutu sail number GBR 3350L in Turkey and Greece with Mark and Catherine |
Posted By: Mark_J1
Date Posted: 22 June 2014 at 21:55
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Did you all get caught in the wind-hole aroundabout Ryde? Managed to time the trip from Chatham to head out of the Looe Channel to see the leaders pass by Bembridge Ledge, then come to a near standstill just beyond the Forts. We chugged gently by on the courtesy of Yanmar! ------------- Hanse 400e "Grey Goose" Hull #31 |
Posted By: geoff107
Date Posted: 22 June 2014 at 22:46
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Hi Ian and Mark on Ostara It was good to see you on the water, we had visual on you from the start line all the way to when we rounded Bembridge Ledge. We managed to pull away with our asymmetric up from St Kats up to Bembridge and on to Ryde - we overtook a lot of boats on that stretch! We were mindful that you would be catching us up on the beat up to the finish with your overlapping genoa, as we were on the ST jib, and looking over our shoulders we could see you gradually reeling us in towards the finish! We regretted not having used the code 0, although the extra handicap would have meant we would need 50 mins improvement on elapsed time, but with the weather we had on the day I think it could have done that for us. @Mark_J1 - when you were watching the leaders in a wind hole around Ryde, we were all in a wind hole between the Needles and St Katherine's Point. Longest drift ever! Well, the racing could have done with an extra few knots of breeze, but a fabulous day on the water none the less, lots of sunshine, loads of boats to look at and we were enjoying that on our Hanse... Not a bad way to spend the day! Our elapsed time was 12.46 and our restaurant were accommodating, so we still managed to get a nice dinner in Cowes. Geoff ------------- Geoff Water Colour - Hanse 400 #471 Sail number GBR 3471 L |
Posted By: Mark_J1
Date Posted: 22 June 2014 at 23:33
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That's a good time in the conditions Geoff. Well done. Just getting to the Solent without too much use of the engine was a bit of challenge and required overnight hops to find the wind. I see a Hanse made second overall which is nice and has IMG excited I'm sure! Grey Goose is in Mercury btw. Please feel free to say hi if anyone happens to potter up this end of the R. Hamble. Be here for a few days with a vague intent to head to Brixham if work dosen't intrude and make us head back to Chatham. Mark ------------- Hanse 400e "Grey Goose" Hull #31 |
Posted By: Mark&Catherine
Date Posted: 23 June 2014 at 07:13
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Hi Geoff, Yes it was a great 2 boat race wasn't it. Ian's chute is a bit smaller than standard for ease of handling when 2 up, so we expected to loose a bit along the south coast, but we're not using that as an excuse because of our advantage with the genoa. The fact that we were so close is a good indication that the handicapping worked. We had fun last night putting you and us on the tracking software and watching a replay of our race round. Well done for pipping us, hope to meet up again sometime Mark ------------- 385 ubulukutu sail number GBR 3350L in Turkey and Greece with Mark and Catherine |
Posted By: geoff107
Date Posted: 23 June 2014 at 09:57
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Hi Mark_J1 Water Colour is at Port Hamble for the week - I'll be back down on Friday, departing Saturday morning to Poole, then to Brixham on Sunday - when might you do the Brixham trip - if you do it? ------------- Geoff Water Colour - Hanse 400 #471 Sail number GBR 3471 L |
Posted By: geoff107
Date Posted: 23 June 2014 at 10:00
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Hi Mark & Ian (Ostara) I replayed our tracking last night too - nip and tuck all the way - great fun re-match next year? G ------------- Geoff Water Colour - Hanse 400 #471 Sail number GBR 3471 L |
Posted By: Mark&Catherine
Date Posted: 23 June 2014 at 13:19
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Rematch will be up to Ian, it would certainly be fun. However, we will also do one when we eventually get ubulukutu back to the UK in a couple or 3 years, I'll have to find a way of getting more practice whilst she is still overseas, wouldn't want you to have any extra advantage built up in the interim! Mark ------------- 385 ubulukutu sail number GBR 3350L in Turkey and Greece with Mark and Catherine |
Posted By: geoff107
Date Posted: 23 June 2014 at 13:28
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just for the record - that was our very first race in a Hanse we are still very much learning the boat - we only bought her at the end of last year and have rigged for easy short handed cruising G ------------- Geoff Water Colour - Hanse 400 #471 Sail number GBR 3471 L |
Posted By: Mark&Catherine
Date Posted: 23 June 2014 at 15:46
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Hi Geoff, same as Ian I think, he doesn't race much either but the Hanses go pretty well don't they. We race ours a lot but apart from having less stuff on board and a few extra control lines, its much the same. What might make a bit of difference is if I managed to persuade my race crew to come over, just because everything would be done a bit quicker, but then with such long legs between changes, im not sure it would warrant the air fares on a slow day like this time, probably would if more wind. Anyway we will see in a year or 3 Mark ------------- 385 ubulukutu sail number GBR 3350L in Turkey and Greece with Mark and Catherine |
Posted By: Mark_J1
Date Posted: 26 June 2014 at 20:29
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Geoff and Water Colour, we've had to rethink our plans a little due to some work intruding on sailing! We've also had to pause for an outboard snag and a wind transducer swap. Both are now sorted and we will likely still be in Mercury Friday/Saturday so may tap on your hull and say hi Friday night. However we will likely leave the boat a few days before returning and deciding when and where to head next. Enjoy the run down to Brixham. Did it solo in one hop last year and loved doing that run "dawn to dusk" as the tide fell just right. Mark ------------- Hanse 400e "Grey Goose" Hull #31 |
Posted By: geoff107
Date Posted: 26 June 2014 at 21:55
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Hi Mark_J1 By all means come and say hi - it will be good to meet you - we are at Port Hamble berth G1 Geoff ------------- Geoff Water Colour - Hanse 400 #471 Sail number GBR 3471 L |