110 jib or self tack
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Topic: 110 jib or self tack
Posted By: gertha
Subject: 110 jib or self tack
Date Posted: 08 March 2016 at 19:37
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Gertha has been a good girl and I plan on buying her a new foresail. I have had 2 self tack jibs, the first was a North, when new it set well ; but the leach stretched and I ended up breaking the clew trying to get tension. The second was a Crusader and was an absolute dog from day 1, the luff too long and flat at the bottom with no shape the top was so baggy it will not furl. So now I am thing of fore sail 3 or may be 7 as we have a few other toys, should I forget self tack and go to a 110, giving a shape that will furl better, a better slot and maybe a better sail or have I had 2 crap sails and should stick with self tack. Any ideas . Do not suggest going back to Crusader the guy is a con man. North I can let off it was a sail supplied on the boat to a budget and it had a couple of Atlantics with force 8 and 9 , all be it down wind. Simon ------------- Swanned off |
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Posted By: bovine
Date Posted: 08 March 2016 at 20:40
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Hi Simon I had a 110% jib made by Sanders lovely sail David |
Posted By: Rubato
Date Posted: 08 March 2016 at 21:14
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I would say that it really depends on your intentions and environment. If you normally sail in less than 10 knots of breeze, the boat can certainly use more power so a 110 (or bigger) is helpful. If you're doing any racing at all, then definitely the 110. If only cruising and breeze is quite often more than 8-10, then a self tacker is fine. With all the racing we do, Rubato has a 138 and a 108. But when I go out cruising I throw on the original furling self tacker.... Note, you can get a bigger self tackers. Evolution Sails calls them a "Lapper" design... ------------- Steve Hanse 400e, #168 |
Posted By: sailkoop
Date Posted: 09 March 2016 at 08:29
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HI Simon, my last Selftacker was coming from Elvstroem. It is an Epex-Sail and works beautiful. Never'll miss it again. For your Cruising I guess you should thing about a Code 0 which you can use under 8kn and for downwind and Reaching Courses! If I would go for long traveling I would go into this kind of Setup. ------------- best regards Bjoern |
Posted By: Brufan
Date Posted: 09 March 2016 at 11:32
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Since I swaped original North selftacker after 3 sailing seasons for a laminate one with 3 vertical battens life is different I have a crusing laminate selftacker 1,5 m˛ larger than Noth origninal one (wich was 25 m˛ although yard's docs claims 29 m˛...). The leech is not flapping anymore The fabric (made to order) is Trilam Trekking made for cruising yachts. After 2 sailng seasons I can recommand it. ------------- Bruno hanse 355 - 57 S/Y Spicy Ginger White hull, 2 cabins, Volvo D1-30, Selden rig, removable mainsheet track system, Simrad (now B&G)-Jefa autopilot. |
Posted By: iemand
Date Posted: 09 March 2016 at 14:01
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I have as my standard sail a Membrane 110% sail and that works perfectly! Yes a better quality selftacker would also be an improvement for you but a 110% is not just bigger but also better trimable. If you have adjustable tracks you can easily depower if necessary. For me it is completely independend from Code = or not Code 0 ------------- Hanse 312 MJ 2004 - Hanse 370e MJ 2007 |
Posted By: gertha
Date Posted: 09 March 2016 at 20:21
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Wind strength and normal use is not relevant, we never sail in the same area and as a result cannot predict what wind we will be in. Have a storm Jib, a Gale sail at 70% , a 140 Genoa an Asymetric and a Symetric so we cover all basis. What I am looking for is the best sail for general sailing , which is what the self tacker has done untill now. Will a 110 % sets from the existing track on side deck? Simon ------------- Swanned off |
Posted By: SausalitoDave
Date Posted: 10 March 2016 at 02:11
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Do you still have a Doberman? My first pet, a wonderful guy. Dave |
Posted By: gertha
Date Posted: 10 March 2016 at 07:42
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Our Doby made it to 14 this Christmas. I think the thought of having to do another Christmas with my relatives was too much for her. A major poke in the eye when she went, think I am to soft. Simon ------------- Swanned off |
Posted By: iemand
Date Posted: 10 March 2016 at 09:27
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I have tracks on the coachroof for the jib. Better upwind angle and less healing! Aluminium is in the deck. ------------- Hanse 312 MJ 2004 - Hanse 370e MJ 2007 |
Posted By: Rubato
Date Posted: 10 March 2016 at 16:57
No. As iemand mentions, you need to install tracks on the coach roof. The aluminum backing plate is already built in. You just need to locate it, drill and tap holes and your in business. You can find the backing plate location drawing in this thread http://www.myhanse.com/deck-alureinforcements-on-hanse-400_topic1882.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.myhanse.com/deck-alureinforcements-on-hanse-400_topic1882.html (the 370 is a bit further down in the thread). I original tried using the side tracks but had to install inner haulers and all sorts of other crap to try to get the sheeting angle right. In the end we still couldn't point at all. Once the tracks were installed on the coach roof life got a lot easier. Steve ------------- Steve Hanse 400e, #168 |
gertha wrote:Posted By: gertha
Date Posted: 10 March 2016 at 21:18
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Thank you for help on this; I will be sniffing out the aluminium . Simon ------------- Swanned off |
Posted By: Bruno
Date Posted: 11 March 2016 at 16:30
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Hi Steve, I have downloaded the drawing of the aluminium plates location for the 405 (model 400 after 2009 I believe) and my Hanse 2010 doesn't have alu plates on the roof. As another matter, since you race, my Seldén mast doesn't have a spinnaker pole halyard or ring attachment on the mast. How are you equipped for downwind? Bruno ------------- Bruno Hanse 400, 2010 Hull 660, Canadian flag sailing Lake Champlain, VT USA |
Posted By: Rubato
Date Posted: 11 March 2016 at 17:34
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Hi Bruno Unfortunately, you're out of luck. Hanse stopped embedding the plates for the coach roof tracks around 2009. It is much more difficult these days to buy a Hanse and configure it for racing. As for the spinnaker stuff: - we use the self tacker jib sheet as the topping lift for the spinnaker pole since we do not use the self tacker while racing - I put my own track on the front of the mast for the spinnaker attachment (drill and tap holes appropriately) - for the pole attachement, use a car with bearings the loads are too high to use one that does not have bearings in it. Take a look at the first drawing on Harken's web page http://www.harken.com/content.aspx?id=3912" rel="nofollow - http://www.harken.com/content.aspx?id=3912 - for the downhaul, I have a pad eye on the foredeck and a couple of blocks down the starboard side for the line to be adjusted from the cockpit Hope that helps Steve ------------- Steve Hanse 400e, #168 |
Posted By: piquet
Date Posted: 15 March 2016 at 02:10
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Why not treat Gertha to a real present and get a self tacking jib which allows for more roach with 4 vertical battons. I have done this with a North 3DL and and witnessed better performance and still self tacking ! ------------- piquet Brisbane, Australia |
Posted By: hanno
Date Posted: 11 August 2016 at 08:40
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I'm ordering a new st-jib and a new main. The offers I've got vary a lot on the jib size (and on price). Idea is to have the jib radial cut from cruising laminate with battons. Are you really happy with your st-jib and if so what size is it? :D ------------- 370e prev 320#429 |