hi,

I want to buy my first sailboat and I came to the conclusion that Hanse sailboats are really good ships.

Hanse 312, Beneteau Océanis 323, Jeanneau Sun Odyssey 32 have similar prices.

Hanse vs french sailboats what's you feeling please?

thanks for your help.

ar.

alain5,

This is the wrong place to ask such a question. All on here are Hanse devotees.  I went arouond a 312 at last years Hamburg Boat Show and thought it a very nice boat for its size. Well priced too.

However, a new 32' Sun Odyssey has just moved onto our pontoon at my local marina and I am very impressed by the finish. Very nice looking boat. I emphasize that I have not sailed her or asked the owner how much she was (she has a lot of 'extras') but I will first time we have a whisky or two together.

Go to the shows and make your choice based on your needs. Believe it or not, a big factor in my choosing a Hanse 341 was because of the standing  height throughout the boat.

Whatever you choose - enjoy.

hi,

no reply. :-( .

Never mind, this my humble contribution.Let's compare Hanse 312 to Bénéteau Océanis 323.

• quality of design
  Vrolijk or finot?
  well it's seems that vrolijk is the guy to follow since the america cup.
  Najad, Cantiere del Pardo, Dehler have switch to Vrolijk's plan.
  Does it mean that a H312 moves quickier than an O323?
  I don't know.
  The quality of stock sails is very important.
• beauty of design
  that's a matter of taste.
  the 2 plans are nice for me.
• ease to handle
  It's much easier to have the main sail surface on the boom.
  The self tacking jib seems a good thing for me. Perhaps it's just     nostalgia of
  my 420 dinghy but I always thought that big genoa are of dubious interest.
• beauty of interior
  dark mohagany in O323 or glossy mohagany in H312.
  that's a matter of taste.
• quality of interior don't know.
• size of cockpit
  acces to sea is smarter on O323.
• quality of hull building
  12 mm of for Océanis.
  30 mm for Hanse.
  Is it really true? Not sure because the displacement are similar.
• price and resell value
  don't know.
  H312 is sold without hot water and without fridge.

H312
----
 standart:      71900.00
 fridge:         ;   1195.00
 hot water:     1355.00
 by road:        5350.00
 misc:        & nbsp;   1500.00

O323
----
 standart:       76436.00
 by road:        1800.00
 misc:            1500.00

ar.

franko,

thanks for your reply. really. I know my post is a bit off topic but it's important for me to read miscellanous feelings. There's no such a cool forum for beneteau or jeanneau owners. that's a shame c'est la vie. another good reason to buy an hanse. And I want to understand WHY your are hanse devotees. hey you're right, wisky is good for sailors.

ar.

Alain,

There is also a brand new Bavaria 32 in my marina. Also looks very nice on the outside (I haven't been below decks). Seldén In Mast reefing main. Many people are critical of the Bavaria build quality, but I have crossed the North Sea twice in a Bavaria (40) without being in fear for my life.

If I was after performance I would look seriously at the new Bavaria 'Match' series. I know a very serious sailor who lives near me who has bought one this year (35 foot) He is very happy. Races it regularly. It was also, as most things in life, a compromise. He had a wife & two kids to please also.

You say quality of the 'stock' sails are important. I can only say that mine (Doyle) are rubbish. Others on MyHanse also have commented on the sails. North I think. Guess you don't have to take the stock sails - order something better.

Enjoy

Slainthè / Santé

On yacht.de there is also a forum. Maybe you should search for Bavaria 32 or just ask RalfT about his experiance about a new Bavaria 32. He is now a happy owner of a 341 !!!!

Beside all the emotional arguments for Hanse there was also the second hand market for Hanse which was also an important point. If you look at Bav or Beneteau or Jeanneau there are a lot of boats from Charter Companies for sale which makes it more difficult to get a good price.

About the sails: The North-Sails from Hanse are not so bad. If you don't want to use them, you get hardly any money back from them. Different sails are nearly 100% extra costs. That's why I took my self tacking jib from Hanse and although I don't want to use it. Now I'm going to sell it.

Regards Thomas. 

Ralf-T, thats me. Yes I had some experiences with Bavaria but I signed a contract in which I promised to keep in silence in the public. But in private chats its no problem to inform. So, if anyone needs information...

Last summer I also looked to some french ships like the new Beneteau Oceanis 323. Nice ship but with length of 1,90m I had problems. And there were some things on deck I didn't like. As I saw the Hanse 341 first time I knew that I found my ship.

I think a lot of this decision should ruled by the heart without forgetting the head.  

Alain,

its not possible to see in which country you are located. But in the newest German Sailing Magazine, the YACHT there is a competetive test between Hanse 341, Bavaria 32, Catalina 320, Beneteau 323. The Hanse the best in a lot of categories, she not free of faults but in generally its a fine boat to a fair price. 

First information find here:

http://www.yacht.de/yo/yo_news/powerslave,id,3086,nodeid,50.html - http://www.yacht.de/yo/yo_news/powerslave,id,3086,nodeid,50. html

Regards Ralf

When I was looking at boats I also looked at the following:

Catalina 310, 320 / Beneteau 311, 321 / Jeanneau 32 / Bavaria 32

I did not waste my time with Hunter since they are true garbage.  The Catalina's are ok but not that well made.  The Bavaria was pretty nice but cost more than the Hanse 311. The Beneteau's are not well shrouded and are not much better than Catalina.  In fact I have had many top sailors say the same thing. 

The Jeanneau looked really nice and I wanted to buy it. But......there is only 1 wench on the house and there are no locations to put more wenches in the cockpit for your spinnaker.  Also, the keel seemed a bit light.  And it cost about $15,000 more than the Hanse 311.

So I picked the Hanse 311.  I liked the self tacking jib and it is very well made.  Minus a few headaches I have been happy with it. 

I took it out a few days ago in 20-30 knot winds and 4-8 foot seas and it performed well.  With a double reef in the main and only 75% of my jib unfurled I hit 7.5 knots on a beam reach.

My new sails will show up in a few weeks and I will have a folding prop put on.  This will give me a bit more speed.  I had it rated and my PHRF rating is 156.

Bottom line.............I would buy the Hanse or if not then the Bavaria. 

hi,

Thanks for all those contributions. I'm located in the south of France in TOULOUSE.

Hello,

I think you compare not in a correct way. What you try to compare is the so called "?Sailcarrying Numer ?" German: Segeltragezahl.

If you compare a Hanse 312 with the Oceanis 323 or a Bav 32 you have to take the maximum sail area. With the Hanse you can carry a regular Genua 1 with about 33sqm.

Regards Thomas.

Hi all,

It is all very well to compare the above specifications and I agree you have to BUT, line up all of the yachts mentioned with equal crews and I know that the Hanses will out sail them with ease.

Then you can talk about construction, quality[not perfect but better than the rest by a mile] and what about ease of sailing,we race on Wednesday afternoon against fully crewed boats just two up and always end up at the front of the fleet in any conditions.

Good sailing

Rob

Hanse Off

 I totally agree with Rob. Racing is always fun with just 2 pers. against fully crewed ships. You must see their faces if they see that you are only sailing with 2. And if you sail fully crewed and the ship is tip top for racing you can see on de Hanse greifswald site the results. All the Dehlers 39 and x yacht 36 are behind the smaller Hanse 341

So it is just a case of what you are willing to do. Better sails, more crew or just fun and end up somewere in front with a smile on your face.

Happy hunting for the first price you all!

When you race your 311 what type of boat speed do you get?   I have hit 7.5 knots in my 311 and I think it can go faster if I trim the sails right. 

I want to get into racing where I am at and I have a PHRF rating of 156.  In the San Francisco Bay Area here are some of the other PHRF ratings.

Hanse 311     156

Catalina 30   180

Catalina 34    147

Beneteau 310   132

Hunter 31    156

And what this means is if your rating is 156 and you race a Catalina 30 with a rating of 180 you would have to give him 24 seconds per mile.  So in a 5 mile race you would have to beat the Catalina 30 by 121 seconds to win. 

I am surpirsed the Beneteau 310 is so fast but I do know they are very light.  And for San Francisco Bay they are not enough boat.  When I go out in the ocean off of San Francisco in 25 knots of wind and 3-7 foot seas I don't see many Beneteau's out there!!