Recommandations for Atlantic crossing

Dear all,

I am preparing for a trip to the Caribbean and back to Holland and want to make a number of modifications to my Hanse 411.

I would like to get some tips from other 411 owners about modifications they made. If you also have some pictures then that would be great. Any other good tips are very welcome.

Currently I am thinking about the following:

- Bimimi

- Two additional winches (What size is recommended?)

- Windlass (what type is recommended, what chain thickness, any pictures would be great)

- 2 additional anchors (Any recommendations about the type and the weight?)

- Installation of SSB

- Wind vane installation (Sailomat)

- Wind generator

- Solar panels

- Baby stay (for storm jib and second jib)

- Additional water / diesel tanks (or use jerry cans)

- Installation of (Raymarine) radar / plotter

- AIS transponder

- Salt water pump (manual)

- Alternator (If it is worth the investment and depending on the power generated by wind and solar).

- Modification of the existing fridge (selfpuming, cold pack, insulation)

- And a long list of smaller things

- Any other good suggestions?

Thanks in advance. I look forward to your reaction.

Kind regards,

Michiel Toes

Samba

Hi Michiel,

Windshear is a H411 that is owned by a dutch guy and completed the ARC 2007 sucessfully - might be worth contacting.

Many boats inc Hanses < 46ft had DuoGen installed on pulpit.

i personnaly have a 411 and envision a ARC entry, as a friend completed his this year too.

I think there is alot to be gained reading the logs on the ARC website, to cover all ocean crossing problems encountered.

Good Luck

Sorry Samba, i don't have this,

but try contacting ARC org and ask for Hans Mulder's details.

I'm sure they will help you, in light of your project.

hello Michiel,

Really nice website you have.

Panos

Hanse 630e - selling her -

Please find below a detailed list of the modifications we made to our boat Samba for our Atlantic crossing 2008/2009.

For the trip we bought a Genua 2, storm jib plus a pole for downwind sailing. For the crossing a genua is a must. The turning jib will not do the job. Since we had very light weather we also used the genaker a lot. This saved us days on the total crossing. We did sail the genaker on a pole like a spinnaker. This sails a lot better.

The modifications we made:

Installed a Webasto heater. Very nice for doing all the work during the winter mouths.
Installed an outside connection for the VHF handheld (under the spray hood)
Installed two additional winches. Especially for the Atlantic crossing the winches where very useful. Even then we could use more winches/clamps.
Installed new (Victron) batteries. 4 x 120 Ah AGM and 1 x 80 Ah AGM.
We made no modifications to the fridge. However we always try to keep the fridge fully loaded and we have removed the seats above the compressor. I still want to install a small computer fan.
Installed a salt water foot pump. This is used a lot. Especially since Hanse doesn’t have a big water tank.
Installed an electric gas switch on top of the gas bottle. The switch is controlled from the kitchen
Installed a net for fruit and vegetables. A lot of extra storage.
Additional extra handles for at sea
Extra storage bags in the two aft cabins for the children. Very cheap and handy
Installed an Air Marine Wind generator. The new generation is much quieter and provides lot’s of energy. Very satisfied with this.
Installed two 90 W solar panels. They add additional Ah for the batteries. When we have good wind the wind generator and the solar panels provide more then enough energy. We wanted to go completely for green energy. If that was not the case then I would go for a wind generator and a large alternator/generator.
Installed a Raymarine C80 with Radar. The radar is installed on the same pole as the wind generator
Installed a baby/cutter stay with runners. I spoke to other 411 owners and they all recommended this.
We use the electric winch a lot. For example to hoist the dinghy on the side of the boat every evening.
Magma BBQ on the aft deck railing. We used it a lot to BBQ fish during the Atlantic crossing. Great gas BBQ
Installed a secondhand Sailomat wind vane but I have never tested it yet. I would still like to do that. Just for the fun of it. During the crossing we either hand steered or used the Simrad autopilot
Installed a Lewmar pod for the Raymarine C80. We had to extend the tubes for this.
Installed a Lewmar pro 1000 windlass..
Installed storage for 3 additional gas bottles in the anchor locker
During the crossing we installed a big Lewmar block in the top of the mast for the spinnaker halyard to prevent chafing
Installed two outdoor speakers. Absolutely necessary
Installed a better water pump inside
Installed a saltwater deck wash pump outside (used the old water pump)
We made the following modifications to the spray hood: extra zippers so that we can open the front window, we can zip a simple bikini to the spray hood. The end we connect to the backstay. We can use this while sailing and although we also made a very big bimini/tent to cover the whole boat, we usually use the simple bimini.
Installed an Icom SSB with Pactor III modem. Although the technology is very old it works great. The radio nets during the various crossings are great.
Installed a Furuno navtex receiver
Installed a very big bilge pump. The hose coming out is so big that we leave it under the floor. In case of emergency we get the hose from under the floor.
Installed an additional Simrad repeater indoors. Very nice for updating the log book since all info is at hand
Installed a Victron battery monitor. Absolutely necessary to keep an eye an the batteries.
Installed a new car stereo with an IPod connection. All the music is installed an the IPod.
Installed a fanless PC with a TV/Computer screen
Installed a media player that can be connected to the TV directly. All the DVDs are now copied to the media player. The kids can just select the film they want to see at sea.
Installed an extra powerful internet set. A powerful antenna is connected to the pole outside, connected via a low loss cable to a strong USB wifi adaptor (500 mW). Most of the time we have good free internet and use Skype to phone home.

We bought a series drogue instead of a sea anchor in case of very bad weather.
Installed an emergency VHF antenna on the pole at the back.
Installed extra 12V plugs in the aft cabins for blowers and to charge the nintendo's
Installed a three blade feathering maxprop. Since that we have some vibrations in the steering system that I still need to take a look at.
Installed a double switchable fuel filter instead of the orginal filter.
Installed a reling net around the boat to keep the children onboard.
Put new foam in the mattresses. However we still put on Ikea deck matrasses since it was too hard to sleep on. Next time we will buy new mattresses from for instance Neptune.
Made fly screen (input from the forum) for all the side windows
Installed shelves in the aft cabin lockers. Much more storage space.
Installed a sea me active radar reflector in the top of the mast
Installed AIS receiver (easyAIS) and connected this to the Raymarine C80. Must be the greatest invention since GPS.
Installed a 3rd reef in the main sail

Things that were on the wish list that didn’t make it

Water maker or additional water tank. At the moment we use very little water.
A bigger alternator. I am not going to do this anymore. We have enough green power.

We bought the boat in September and left in July the next year. It was hard work to get everything done and I had a professional helping me out in the beginning. When we left a lot of things were still not done but during the trip I did the rest. I still have things I want to do but since we made it to the other side of the Atlantic there is no real pressure anymore.

I have posted a lot of pictures on our picasa site Samba op reis . I will make some more to make it complete.

Please let me know if you want to know more.

Edited by samba - 29 November 2011 at 18:39

Samba - Hanse 411 - Bruinisse

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samba Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Joined: 24 December 2007 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 234	Post Options Post Reply Quote samba Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Recommandations for Atlantic crossing Posted: 03 January 2008 at 21:21
	Dear all, I am preparing for a trip to the Caribbean and back to Holland and want to make a number of modifications to my Hanse 411. I would like to get some tips from other 411 owners about modifications they made. If you also have some pictures then that would be great. Any other good tips are very welcome. Currently I am thinking about the following: - Bimimi - Two additional winches (What size is recommended?) - Windlass (what type is recommended, what chain thickness, any pictures would be great) - 2 additional anchors (Any recommendations about the type and the weight?) - Installation of SSB - Wind vane installation (Sailomat) - Wind generator - Solar panels - Baby stay (for storm jib and second jib) - Additional water / diesel tanks (or use jerry cans) - Installation of (Raymarine) radar / plotter - AIS transponder - Salt water pump (manual) - Alternator (If it is worth the investment and depending on the power generated by wind and solar). - Modification of the existing fridge (selfpuming, cold pack, insulation) - And a long list of smaller things - Any other good suggestions? Thanks in advance. I look forward to your reaction. Kind regards, Michiel Toes Samba

Gregor Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admiral Joined: 11 February 2006 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 1256	Post Options Post Reply Quote Gregor Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 03 January 2008 at 23:31
	Michiel, Sounds good. One suggestion, make sure you can tap water even when there is no electricity available. For instance by placing a foot pump. Good luck with your preparation, Gregor

Nereide Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Joined: 31 January 2007 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 189	Post Options Post Reply Quote Nereide Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 January 2008 at 14:08
	Hi Michiel, Windshear is a H411 that is owned by a dutch guy and completed the ARC 2007 sucessfully - might be worth contacting. Many boats inc Hanses < 46ft had DuoGen installed on pulpit. i personnaly have a 411 and envision a ARC entry, as a friend completed his this year too. I think there is alot to be gained reading the logs on the ARC website, to cover all ocean crossing problems encountered. Good Luck

samba Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Joined: 24 December 2007 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 234	Post Options Post Reply Quote samba Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 January 2008 at 18:07
	Hello, I am trying to contact the Windshear, but I haven't been able to find an email address. Did you find one? Thanks, Michiel

Nereide Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Joined: 31 January 2007 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 189	Post Options Post Reply Quote Nereide Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 January 2008 at 10:02
	Sorry Samba, i don't have this, but try contacting ARC org and ask for Hans Mulder's details. I'm sure they will help you, in light of your project.

samba Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Joined: 24 December 2007 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 234	Post Options Post Reply Quote samba Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 March 2008 at 20:32
	Howdy, Our website is in the air! We will keep a logbook for the next 1,5 years. The address is www.sambaopreis.nl . Sorry, but the website is in Dutch only. We will however post a lot of pictures. Cheers, Michiel

panos Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admiral Joined: 02 March 2008 Status: Offline Points: 1939	Post Options Post Reply Quote panos Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 25 March 2008 at 16:38
	hello Michiel, Really nice website you have.
	Panos Hanse 630e - selling her -

alettaenmarcel Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admiral Joined: 15 August 2006 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 1246	Post Options Post Reply Quote alettaenmarcel Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 25 March 2008 at 18:50
	Michiel We were in Stellendam last weekend Our boot is in Hellevoetsluis so that is just a small distance. We will folow your dream on your website , we just can not take such a long time off from our jobs. Succes with your journey and we will problebly see you on the Haringvliet before you leave. Greetings Marcel Hanse 370 Together Hellevoetsluis.

samba Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Joined: 24 December 2007 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 234	Post Options Post Reply Quote samba Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 February 2009 at 00:52
	Please find below a detailed list of the modifications we made to our boat Samba for our Atlantic crossing 2008/2009. For the trip we bought a Genua 2, storm jib plus a pole for downwind sailing. For the crossing a genua is a must. The turning jib will not do the job. Since we had very light weather we also used the genaker a lot. This saved us days on the total crossing. We did sail the genaker on a pole like a spinnaker. This sails a lot better. The modifications we made: Installed a Webasto heater. Very nice for doing all the work during the winter mouths. Installed an outside connection for the VHF handheld (under the spray hood) Installed two additional winches. Especially for the Atlantic crossing the winches where very useful. Even then we could use more winches/clamps. Installed new (Victron) batteries. 4 x 120 Ah AGM and 1 x 80 Ah AGM. We made no modifications to the fridge. However we always try to keep the fridge fully loaded and we have removed the seats above the compressor. I still want to install a small computer fan. Installed a salt water foot pump. This is used a lot. Especially since Hanse doesn’t have a big water tank. Installed an electric gas switch on top of the gas bottle. The switch is controlled from the kitchen Installed a net for fruit and vegetables. A lot of extra storage. Additional extra handles for at sea Extra storage bags in the two aft cabins for the children. Very cheap and handy Installed an Air Marine Wind generator. The new generation is much quieter and provides lot’s of energy. Very satisfied with this. Installed two 90 W solar panels. They add additional Ah for the batteries. When we have good wind the wind generator and the solar panels provide more then enough energy. We wanted to go completely for green energy. If that was not the case then I would go for a wind generator and a large alternator/generator. Installed a Raymarine C80 with Radar. The radar is installed on the same pole as the wind generator Installed a baby/cutter stay with runners. I spoke to other 411 owners and they all recommended this. We use the electric winch a lot. For example to hoist the dinghy on the side of the boat every evening. Magma BBQ on the aft deck railing. We used it a lot to BBQ fish during the Atlantic crossing. Great gas BBQ Installed a secondhand Sailomat wind vane but I have never tested it yet. I would still like to do that. Just for the fun of it. During the crossing we either hand steered or used the Simrad autopilot Installed a Lewmar pod for the Raymarine C80. We had to extend the tubes for this. Installed a Lewmar pro 1000 windlass.. Installed storage for 3 additional gas bottles in the anchor locker During the crossing we installed a big Lewmar block in the top of the mast for the spinnaker halyard to prevent chafing Installed two outdoor speakers. Absolutely necessary Installed a better water pump inside Installed a saltwater deck wash pump outside (used the old water pump) We made the following modifications to the spray hood: extra zippers so that we can open the front window, we can zip a simple bikini to the spray hood. The end we connect to the backstay. We can use this while sailing and although we also made a very big bimini/tent to cover the whole boat, we usually use the simple bimini. Installed an Icom SSB with Pactor III modem. Although the technology is very old it works great. The radio nets during the various crossings are great. Installed a Furuno navtex receiver Installed a very big bilge pump. The hose coming out is so big that we leave it under the floor. In case of emergency we get the hose from under the floor. Installed an additional Simrad repeater indoors. Very nice for updating the log book since all info is at hand Installed a Victron battery monitor. Absolutely necessary to keep an eye an the batteries. Installed a new car stereo with an IPod connection. All the music is installed an the IPod. Installed a fanless PC with a TV/Computer screen Installed a media player that can be connected to the TV directly. All the DVDs are now copied to the media player. The kids can just select the film they want to see at sea. Installed an extra powerful internet set. A powerful antenna is connected to the pole outside, connected via a low loss cable to a strong USB wifi adaptor (500 mW). Most of the time we have good free internet and use Skype to phone home. We bought a series drogue instead of a sea anchor in case of very bad weather. Installed an emergency VHF antenna on the pole at the back. Installed extra 12V plugs in the aft cabins for blowers and to charge the nintendo's Installed a three blade feathering maxprop. Since that we have some vibrations in the steering system that I still need to take a look at. Installed a double switchable fuel filter instead of the orginal filter. Installed a reling net around the boat to keep the children onboard. Put new foam in the mattresses. However we still put on Ikea deck matrasses since it was too hard to sleep on. Next time we will buy new mattresses from for instance Neptune. Made fly screen (input from the forum) for all the side windows Installed shelves in the aft cabin lockers. Much more storage space. Installed a sea me active radar reflector in the top of the mast Installed AIS receiver (easyAIS) and connected this to the Raymarine C80. Must be the greatest invention since GPS. Installed a 3rd reef in the main sail Things that were on the wish list that didn’t make it Water maker or additional water tank. At the moment we use very little water. A bigger alternator. I am not going to do this anymore. We have enough green power. We bought the boat in September and left in July the next year. It was hard work to get everything done and I had a professional helping me out in the beginning. When we left a lot of things were still not done but during the trip I did the rest. I still have things I want to do but since we made it to the other side of the Atlantic there is no real pressure anymore. I have posted a lot of pictures on our picasa site Samba op reis . I will make some more to make it complete. Please let me know if you want to know more. Edited by samba - 29 November 2011 at 18:39
	Samba - Hanse 411 - Bruinisse

Brad McMaster Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Commadore Joined: 27 September 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 383	Post Options Post Reply Quote Brad McMaster Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01 March 2009 at 00:08
	Hey Samba, Thanks for that and the pictures, that is really really helpful. While we are well kitted out for cruising it is great to hear how your gear worked for you during the ARC. Cheers B
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