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Hi Samba, thanks again for this list.
 
A couple of quick questions though.
 
What water pump did you up grade to and why?
The electric gas switch on the gas bottle. Was that to effectively turn the gas off at the bottle?
And what made you go for the Victron batteries?
 
Cheers
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Originally posted by Brad McMaster Brad McMaster wrote:

Hi Samba, thanks again for this list.
 
A couple of quick questions though.
 
What water pump did you up grade to and why?
The electric gas switch on the gas bottle. Was that to effectively turn the gas off at the bottle?
And what made you go for the Victron batteries?
 
Cheers
B
 
We bought the sensormax 14 water pump. It is a great water pump since it is very quit and has variable speed. Because of this it uses less water. However the pump is now broken since there was a little bit of water in the place where the pump is installed and the pump can't handle this. The place the pump is installed by Hanse is a very strange place. In the bilge underneath one of the chairs. So now I need to find a new motor and I want to find a better/dryer place to install the motor.
 
The gas switch is indeed to turn of the gas bottle for extra security.
 
I bought the batteries at the same place as the solar panels and the wind generator. They advised me the Victron batteries since they could offer a very good price. I beleave Victron is a dutch company.
 
Cheers,
 
Michiel
 
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I have added some more pictures and noticed that I was still missing some items on the list. I have them included in the original list as well. When I look at the list, I now know why it was such hard work Wink
  • We bought a series drogue instead of a sea anchor in case of very bad weather.
  • Installed a emercengy VHF antenna on the pole at the back.
  • Installed exta 12V plugs in the aft cabins for blowers and to charge the nintendo's
  • Installed a three blade feathering maxprop. Since that we have some vibrations in the steering system that I still need to tkae a look at.
  • Installed a double switchable fuel filter instead of the orginal filter.
  • Installed a reling net around the boat to keep the children onboard.
  • Put new foam in the matrasses. However we still put on Ikea deck matrasses since it was too hard to sleep on. Next time we will buy new matresses from for instance Neptune.
  • Made fly screen (input from the forum) for all the side windows
    Installed shelves in the aft cabin lockers. much more storadge space.
  • Instaled a sea me active radar reflector in the top of the mast
  • Installed AIS receiver (easyAIS) and connected this to the Raymarine C80. Must be the greatest invention since GPS.
  • Instaled a 3rd reef in the main sail
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote wolf Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 March 2009 at 08:26
hi samba

i had the same fresh water pump/ bilge problem on the 470 i have moved the pump up higher and changed the pressure switch which was burned due water contact.( approx 30euros) and i works well now.

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G'Day,

I own a H411 which we are cruising full-time in Australia - she is a European fit out having been imported from Croatia b her previous owner. It is amazing how cruising boats all have similar layouts and equipment. The modifications you have made to your 411 are almost identical to ours. Your photos are excellent and have given us some great ideas, especially the salt water and second bilge pumps.

We went with a Targa (or stern arch) for the wind, solar and the the dinghy. It also has seats which are very comfortable for offshore sailing. Not quite what the purists would prefer but it is very livable in the tropics. We have also fitted a watermaker to make up for the limited storage capacity. The battery upgrade was also important - I figure that if AGM batteries are good enough for the space shuttle, they will go alright on a yacht.

How have you found your babystay - is it effective in stopping the mast from pumping?

Thanks for the great website,

Cheers,

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Originally posted by Chris G Chris G wrote:


How have you found your babystay - is it effective in stopping the mast from pumping?

 
Hello Chris,
 
Thanks for the compliment. I always use the babystay and runners when sailing. Even in light weather. This way you get used to sailing with them.
 
I have never seen the mast pump at all. So I am very pleased with them.
 
The downside is using the turning jib with the babystay. You have to roll the jib in and redo the sheet.
 
For me an ideal situation would be to have the genua on the roller, a high aspect on a removable dynema line or second roller just in front of the roller and keep the baby stay for the sorm jib. This means no more sail changes. At this moment we use the genua for downwind and very light wind sailing and the jib for upwind sailing.
 
Cheers,
 
Michiel


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Hello Michiel
 
We are seriously looking at a 411 here - and have found your information on this site probably the most useful on the web.
 
Firstly, do you still have her, or did you move on to something else?
 
Further, we have a couple of specific questions:
 
1. where did you position your inner forestay (for the cutter rig) - both on the mast - and on the deck.
 
2. Re the deck position of the inner forestay, what additional support did you place there? (for the engineering load).
 
3. Re the inner headsail (staysail), did you have that on a furler, or on hanks (which makes it easier to temporarily remove the forestay and bring it back to the mast - thus making it easier for the genoa to be used.
 
4. What did / do you use the self tacker track for.
 
5. The traveller - on the boat we are looking at, its about 3:1 - looks  under engineered, and there-for tricky to adjust - particularly in gusty conditions.
 
6. What size new cockpit combing winches did you install?  ARe they too big / too small / just right.  The existing primaries are Harken 46's (2 speed).
 
What have you done with the refrigeration - it seems there have been problems, particularly in the tropics / summer.
 
Thanks - look foreward to your reply (and any others)
Barney1964
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Hi,

Sorry for the late reply. Last weekend excellent weather and this week on the road.

We still have our 411 and we still love it.

Please see below for the answers. If you want to speak to me directly I can send you a PM with my contact details.

1. where did you position your inner forestay (for the cutter rig) - both on the mast - and on the deck.

Take a look at this post: http://www.myhanse.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1854 . You can find some pictures there.

2. Re the deck position of the inner forestay, what additional support did you place there? (for the engineering load).

See the post mentioned above. There is a reinforcement in the anchor locker. This has been used.

3. Re the inner headsail (staysail), did you have that on a furler, or on hanks (which makes it easier to temporarily remove the forestay and bring it back to the mast - thus making it easier for the genoa to be used.

We did not user a furler for the cutter sail. It is removable. I used the cutter stay for additional support for the mast and for our stormsail. When sailing on the ocean/sea I never removed it.

So I used the normal fore-stay for a genua (light wind and downwind sailing) and the turning jib (reaching with wind above 15 knots). This means a lot of sail changes when sailing back to Europe. By that time I had 3 friends on board and let them do all the work . You can't do this when sailing double handed.

Looking back my ideal sailing config would be:
1. A 135% genua on the normal forestay on a furler
2. A high aspect just behind the normal forestay on a furler.
3. A cutter stay for the storm sail
4. A Gennaker with a snuffer.
5. Normal sail with 3 reefs. 3rd very high.


4. What did / do you use the self tacker track for.

I used the self tacker track for our turning jib and the storm jib.

5. The traveller - on the boat we are looking at, its about 3:1 - looks under engineered, and there-for tricky to adjust - particularly in gusty conditions.

I didn't make any changes to this. There is an article on the forum by someone who did change it. It is a good idea.

6. What size new cockpit combing winches did you install? ARe they too big / too small / just right. The existing primaries are Harken 46's (2 speed).

I installed the 48's. They are just right when using the genua. You do still need to be strong to handle them. For me no problem. My wife let's me do it.

What have you done with the refrigeration - it seems there have been problems, particularly in the tropics / summer.

I didn't make any changes to the fridge and we didn't have any problems. In the Caribbean we did remove the the cushion and cover plate of the couch so the the hot air could get out better. An alternative would be to use the cooling of the water outlet of the sink but our budget was already gone.
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Hi Samba/Barney,

Agree with all of the above. Haven't worried about the refrigeration cooling other than to install additional louvre vents on the inboard side of the seat. It still gets hot in the tropics (we have just spent seven months doing Tonga/Fiji/Vanuatu/New Cal without any probs. As it happens we have done exactly the same as Samba with everything else.

Cheers

Chris
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