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Henrik84 
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Joined: 27 December 2009 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 1458 |
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 Posted: 03 January 2012 at 12:07 |
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Hi all.
Off topic, I donīt have any papers in my boat att all. What kind of papers do I need if i want to visit Belgium and other countries?
/Henrik |
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holby
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Posted: 03 January 2012 at 12:10 |
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Henrik, you have to ask the question, will they let you out of Sweden in the first place.........
Dave
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Henrik84
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Posted: 03 January 2012 at 12:13 |
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I have visit Denmark and Norway without any problems. When we visited Norway this summer we got stopped by the coastguard and they only looked for beer and stronger things, they didnīt ask for any papers.
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S/Y LaRey
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Brufan
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Posted: 03 January 2012 at 12:17 |
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The Belgian Customs point of view is simple and very bureaucratic : Every yachts sailing in "their" waters can only carry full duty paid diesel (= road diesel). If you can't prove that you paid full duty on your (red) diesel, you will be fined.
As soon as you carry any small part of red diesel in your ship's tank you're are supposed not to have paid full duty. It is clearly a breach of UN Maritime rules and EU treaties but until now it is the Belgian Custom offices point of view. If you want to fight this point of view you can before Belgian courts and then EU Court... But it is a long way for un individual citizen for just 750 EUR...
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Bruno
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Peter-Blake
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Posted: 03 January 2012 at 12:33 |
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Dave, come to germany.
here everything what ever only sounds like green (ecologically) will be promoted. So i am sure, you will get money back from germany if you ever enter our waters with GREEEN DIESEL.  Edited by Peter-Blake - 03 January 2012 at 12:34 |
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Peter-Blake
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Posted: 03 January 2012 at 12:50 |
You really empty your tank every winter? I never did this so far. |
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Ian Robinson
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Posted: 03 January 2012 at 13:04 |
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Hi Henrik,
It all depends on what type of "official" you meet. Most are quite nice and sensible, but you know that some enjoy making life difficult for everyone they meet. So on the principal of hoping for the best and preparing for the worst I carry:
My UK ships' certificate of registration (I sure that Swedish boats have to be registered too).
Certificate of insurance.
Copy of my Hanse invoice to prove that purchase tax has been paid.
Crew passports.
VHF Radio licence with radar endorsement
VHF certificate (I happen to have an MF certificate too)
International Helmsmans' Certificate with the CEVNI (inland waterways) endorsement (my RYA Offshore Skipper certificate does not quite cut it)
As the UK opted out of the Schengen Agreement I desposit a Schengen crewlist when I arrive in the Netherlands or Belgium. You would not have to do this as Sweden is in Schengen.
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Ian
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Brufan
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Posted: 03 January 2012 at 15:08 |
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This topic is really up to date. see todays Motorboat Mounthly newsletter
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Bruno
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alettaenmarcel
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Posted: 03 January 2012 at 15:57 |
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@Peter BlakeI emptey it every winter since I hade a bacterie in my tank a few years ago.
( bad diesel I bought in Boulogne Sur mer ) |
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Henrik84
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Posted: 03 January 2012 at 16:44 |
Hi. We donīt need to register our boats in sweden. The only paper Iīve got is the invoice from my dealer and insurance. VHF certificate do I have but not in the boat. Thanks for the great answer. //Henrik |
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