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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote samuel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 December 2015 at 06:29
Originally posted by SausalitoDave SausalitoDave wrote:

The white plastic rings are - I am almost certain - thrust washers.  They are not there as any from of isolation.  

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If it is one between rudder blade & bottom bearing it cannot be a thrust washer, It would not drop down if it was
I think it will be found to be a snap on end cap to the bottom of the bottom bearing that has dropped off .
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Rubato Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 December 2015 at 17:39
Originally posted by StavrosNZ StavrosNZ wrote:

Interesting, I look forward to understanding more................
To be frank Jefa's response made little sense to me and one has to wonder if it was an official Jefa response or one persons opinion?,
By suggesting to remove the bonding wire on the rudder shaft they are in fact saying don't protect the rudder shaft at all, let it waste slowly by emersion in water and be at the mercy of any stray current or environmental factors that your boat, others boats or the marina throws at it.
Not what I would do on a boat with an aluminium rudder shaft. Based on separating the hull anode from saildrive anode as per my earlier posts and leaving rudder connected and protected by the hull anode my rudder shaft is like new and the boat is in her 6th year.
 
 
 
Actually, to me, it made a lot of sense. My 2007 400e has absolutely nothing connected to the aluminum rudder shaft and it is still perfect after the 9th season. How could this be? Because electrolysis happens when a current flows. A current can only flow when there is an electrical path between 2 dissimilar metals in an electrolyte (salt water in this case). If you don't provide an electrical path, the aluminum will last a very long time.  
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sea-U Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 December 2015 at 13:40
I fully agree with Rubato.
If you put a seawater resitant aluminium bar into the sea, it will last for a long time.
If you connect it to something, then things can happen.
This is how I see it after Jefa wrote.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote High Time Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 December 2015 at 15:42
I also agree with the previous two posts. 

As far as I can tell the rudder post on High Time (415 #38 delivered August 2012) is electrically isolated from everything else on the boat.
 
The saildrive is also electrically isolated from everything else on the boat (standard Volvo practice).

There is no hull anode fitted.
 
If nothing changes (except the saildrive and prop anodes) there should be no galvanic or electrolytic corrosion of the rudder post or saildrive. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote panos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 December 2015 at 23:35
Originally posted by High Time High Time wrote:

I also agree with the previous two posts. As far as I can tell the rudder post on High Time (415 #38 delivered August 2012) is electrically isolated from everything else on the boat. The saildrive is also electrically isolated from everything else on the boat (standard Volvo practice)." There is no hull anode fitted.If nothing changes (except the saildrive and prop anodes) there should be no galvanic or electrolytic corrosion of the rudder post or saildrive. 


You must take into account that as the boat gets older a possible conductive layer of dirt deposits (wet with seawater) in the bilge and thinks get complicated.
I don't believe in the theory of electrically isolated shaft, engine, rudder-shaft nor through hulls.
A boat should have all of them earthed together and a sound anode protection scheme.
Of course Jeffa's solution will survive the warranty period but my 39 old classic boat is in better condition than my 8 year old Hanse.
They don't build them like they did...

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Edited by panos - 08 December 2015 at 23:39
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote StavrosNZ Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 December 2015 at 06:18
correct Panos, your rudder is also connected via autohelm, all fine until a bad/dirty/shorted connection then it surely is connected via a circuit.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sea-U Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 December 2015 at 13:59
BUT!
Then there should be an anode on the rudder. Not connected to the rest.
This is so that the rudder will not act as an anode for the rest.
 
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Yeoman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 December 2015 at 17:27
Hi Rubato,
 
They did send a bulletin to the dealer network as soon as they discovered the potential issue.  The dealer should then have informed all affected owners.
 
Kind regards
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rubato Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 December 2015 at 17:41
Hi Phil, could you please clarify which service bulletin you're referring to?  and just to clarify my situation with Rubato - no electrical connection to the rudder (it's isolated) and no problems at all.
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Vertigo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 January 2016 at 12:49
Hi Phil and all, 
my 375 shows the problem as well. I discovered it when painting the Antifouling in Nov. 
The bilge is completely dry, and no changes were done to Vertigo since receiving her from Hanse
on all these parts involved. Notable we were probably one of the first new 375 with engine & saildrive changed to Volvo (#804).
I learned that this problem is known to Hanse, however the reaction received was a clear rejection
I will meet them next days at the 'Boot' but any input you guys have on the following pictures would be 
helpful. 

Kind regards, 
Adrian
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