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Originally posted by Rubato Rubato wrote:

Netzerab, I followed your explanation, most of us are well aware of the basics of electrolysis. However, at the end, where you mention that "A third alternative is to enable a local earth plane on board" I didn't understand the logic. Isn't this just moving the problem? It's an attempt to make another piece of metal the target of connecting the circuit, the same thing we try to do with the zincs. The same challenges exist, how to make that "other piece of metal" the target instead of the vital metal pieces of the boat.
 
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The problem with shore power is the grounding wire. The grounding wire often has a DC potential due to several problems combined. Sometimes this potential can be much higher than the 1-1.5 volts that get eaten by the diodes in an galvanic isolator. In such cases the galvanic isolator is of little or no help. The problem is that you can't really know what the dc potential may be for a given day.

For those of us that do not have the money nor the space for an isolation transformer, there is another alternative called local earth.  It works like the earth in your home, but uses saltwater rather than the sand, clay or whatever is under your house. It is actually just a grounding wire connected to a piece of bare metal, usually copper, of a given area mounted under your boat and submerged at all times.

You can then safely cut the grounding wire to shore because you now has a local earth plane that would safely conduct any current trough the salt water and back to shore. The conducting capability of saltwater is excellent and it is a far better conductor than a questionable shore power grounding wire.

Since you no longer have a shore power grounding, you no longer have to be afraid of any dc potential causing electrolysis. There is no longer a permanent closed circuit between your boat and other shore power connected boats/shore power ground. But you still have a proper safety grounding that will save your life in case of a fault. The only difference is that a small part of the safety ground now uses salt water as an excellent conductor, but not conducting dc at alll times as before, just in case of a ground fault in some of your own electrical equipment, and then only ac. You are safe. Your boat are safe. Electrical faults in other boats no longer apply to you.

All you have to worry about is to keep your own electrical shore power system ship shape and preferably install a ground fault interceptor for instantly cutting off the ac current if there one day should be a ground fault aboard your boat.

Obviously this local earth depend 100% of the excellent conducting capabilities of salt water and the fact that the human body is not harmed from current flowing trough the water because of the very large difference in resistance between water and body. In fresh water the case is the opposite and even if your boat is still safe, a swimmer can easily be elecricuted. The low resistance path is suddenly the body. Current at low as 15-20mA is enough to kill a human.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote franko Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 December 2008 at 11:27
Scary picture and, as one who has his boat in the water all winter with S.P. connected, I am getting nervous. However in 6 years have not had any problems. Does not mean I am complacent though, a fault on a neighbouring boat could cause problems.

On large yachts/ships we used to hang largish zinc anodes over the side when alongside. I might start to do that. Better than throwing away the partly eaten zincs each year maybe.

I wonder if a low current LED in the cable attaching such a zinc to the boat would give a visual indication of any problem.

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(He He, Mike, it is M.G. Duff, not McDuff. They are commonly mistakenly called MCDUFF as the embossing on the anodes appears to spell that.)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote franko Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 December 2008 at 17:20
Stephen,

Would like to know the brand of 'Tube Heaters' you refer to. I am looking for similar.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Abstinenz Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 December 2008 at 19:07
Originally posted by RSchrHH RSchrHH wrote:

These are the remains of the saildrive of my 370 after just five months in water.

It is completely unclear so far how this could possibly has happend.
 
Hanse Germany is not at all interested in solving the problem.
 
There is rumour that several other Hanses are affected.
 
Anyone here?

Hi,

a Luffe 4004 (model 2006) in our marina had the same problem after the first year in water. It was a volvo engine/drive. As written somewhere else in this thread, its the wirering/shore power grounding that's to blame.

/Steen
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote colincooper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 December 2008 at 20:14

This isn't really a generic Hanse problem (unless you can show the wiring was defective).  A "standard" Hanse should be OK, although it would be nice if galvanic protection was "standard".  But no other boat manufacturers I know of do this as standard.  Discussion on this site is useful to help us protect our boats better - but I think you have a weak case if trying to show Hanse is liable - unless, there is a specific wiring fault on your boat.

Colin (owner of Hilde - a 370)
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