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    Posted: 24 April 2016 at 11:18
Hi,

I have just bought a Hanse 301 (2002) and it has just been put in the water with the sails and ropes assembled. 
However they haven’t connected the jib to the self-tracking system; I have one jib sheet on each side instead of just one. 
I have been trying to find out how one could do it oneself, but I cannot find any diagrams of how the ropes would run from the cockpit to the jib.
Can anyone help please?

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n a 311 the sheet goes to the turning block at the base of the mast, up the mast & out about halfway up, then back down to a block on the car, then out to the jib. Some terminate there & some have a block on the jib & return to the block on the car. Personally I favour the block on the jib as it reduce load on teh sheave up the mast & elsewhere.

On older boats Hanse often take the sheet from the turning block back to the winch on the cabin top but I have a block mounted on a strop on the toe rail just before the genoa winch so i can operate it from the helm position. Plus I can keep the cabin winch free for other lines. So my sheet goes from the turning block to the toe rail then to the genoa winch
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Thanks for the quick reply.

I imagine the setup on a 311 is the same as my 301.

Two questions:

Is there some kind of hole or passageway through the mast about halfway up  through which the sheet passes?

What sort of block would be on the jib?

I will be going to the boat next Tuesday and can then have a good look to see what I can do.

Thank you once again.
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G Beav,

Following are some photos which might help. these are from a larger Hanse but the principal is the same.










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Thank you for the photos. I am pretty sure I understand the basics of it all. 

Once I can get to the boat on Tuesday it will look for all the parts involved. 

I am not sure how easy it would be to "thread" the sheet inside the entrance and exit holes in the mast. I would think this should have been done before the mast was put onto (stepped into?) the boat. However, I can now go forwards knowing a bit more about my "new" boat.

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An option if you cannot get the sheet through the mast would be to take the sheet along the deck to a block fixed to the forestay fitting just below the furler. I have a spare hole here but you could rig a dynema strop if nothing to fit a pulley to. You would then go to a block on the track & then to a pulley on the sail then back to the block on the track. The sheet would sweep the deck when tacking so a crew on the fore deck would have to do a little jig over the sheet but it gets you out of trouble
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Hi
On my 301 the jib sheet comes from the sail to the self tacker block, then forward to a turning block on the deck just aft of the anchor locker,then to a clutch on the cabin top if that helps.
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Originally posted by empip empip wrote:

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On my 301 the jib sheet comes from the sail to the self tacker block, then forward to a turning block on the deck just aft of the anchor locker,then to a clutch on the cabin top if that helps.


Yes, well said. OP please note that this is the correct way to rig the self-tacking sheet on the 301 and NOT the 'up and down the mast' style recommended earlier in the thread.

bowline your single self-tacking sheet to the clew of the jib and then run the sheet through the turning block on the self-tacking track. Take it forward to the small deck-mounted block which you'll find just aft of the anchor locker lid and then run it back, down whichever side of the boat, to the cockpit. I bring mine direct across the coachroof port-side to a clutch and winch. You could also do as Sam suggests and bring it via a snatch block on the rail to the primary winches on one side or the other.

Re. the earlier suggestion that you rig up and down the mast. You can do this- it works and this is how the ST sheet was rigged when I bought the boat. However I found that it created much more friction. If you do this you will soon find yourself a) wondering what the funny little turning block aft of the anchor locker is supposed to be for, and b) when you hoist a running sail you'll wonder why Z-Spars didn't think to provide the mast with sheaves for a pole-lift (guess what the slot half way up is really for!).

I've managed to find a pic of the front end of my boat with the line rigged for guidance (in the pic it passes through the block on the ST track and is tied off on the spinny ring as we normally run a genoa with twin sheets).

It can interfere with opening the fwd hatch as it runs right over it. Slack the sheet off before opening the hatch.

Hope this helps


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote samuel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 April 2016 at 08:17
Are you sure that block is not meant for spinnaker pole down haul?
Although there is no reason why one cannot use it for this task
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As a new member to this forum, I am extremely impressed with all the rapid and extensive help I have been given. 

I am learning all the time at the moment and it is all very interesting.

Thank you once again. I am feeling fairly confident that I can tackle this problem myself or, at least, know enough to give some relevant advice to anyone doing it for me.

Gerald.
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