Self tacking – layout of rope/lines.

G Beav wrote: As a new member to this forum, I am extremely impressed with all the rapid and extensive help I have been given.  I am learning all the time at the moment and it is all very interesting. Thank you once again. I am feeling fairly confident that I can tackle this problem myself or, at least, know enough to give some relevant advice to anyone doing it for me. Gerald.

One other thing re. operating the self-tacker is to have a look at the clew of your headsail and check it has a big, metal fitment with lots of different hole choices, something like the pic Waynes World posted earlier in the thread. This will be a sail cut properly for a self tacker with quite a high aspect. If you have only a single ring on the clew, it is certainly a replacement headsail and, as you say it came with twin sheets led back, it may have been cut longer in the foot/leech (ie be a genoa). Sails cut for 'normal' sheeting may not set well on the self-tacker. My headsail is a 107% genoa- so quite a small one- but it's cut for normal handling and so doesn't set at all well on the ST until at least a third of it (maybe more) is rolled away, when the longer foor of the genoa means it's flying less sail area than an equivalent no.1 jib. We only use it on the ST when we are looking at upwind work in F5-6 which is about the maximum we ever sail in and requires only a small headsail. Then the ST acts like an extra crew member and is useful, but you may find that the sail performs at its best off the track in general use.

graeme wrote: empip wrote: Hi On my 301 the jib sheet comes from the sail to the self tacker block, then forward to a turning block on the deck just aft of the anchor locker,then to a clutch on the cabin top if that helps. Yep, another vote for this config - exactly same as my 301. On a slight tangent.......for the first time in years, I stored the self-tacker and I don't think it will come back on board. Maybe I am just not good enough at trimming, or the jib is too old, but only occasionally did it feel balanced or powerful. It was ok for going out for a potter, but the boat now has a totally different personality with a genoa. Power, balance, speed.......a very different experience. I also found the jib useless if wanted to sail without the main. Anyone else find the same ?

When sailing on headsail alone (with a wing keel 301) even with a smallish genoa I find the nose gets blown round too quickly once the boat has tacked. She starts to spin in her own length and this stalls the flow over the rudder so you loose steerage. The shallow forefoot lacks grip and before you know it the boat can try to gybe. The shallow forefoot also means she makes a lot of leeway if sailed like this. The missus used to like sailing on headsail alone as a fairly nervous sailor but I have eventually talked her out of it as the boat needs the mainsail to bring it up to weather and be properly in control. So no not a fan....

Hi, sorry for late posting, I have struggled to get the photos uploaded. This is my self tacker sheet run on Bloto 301. The two cleating options 'Cam' cleat and 'jaming horn cleat', enable use of the Stbd genoa winch, for either self tacker genoa or spinnaker. Currently the self tacker line runs aft through a block on the cap shroud, I may try move out onto stanchion. This run for self tacker works well and I cant see any advantage to taking sheet up the mast route. Spin pole down haul is snatch block clipped on toe rail.

perry wrote:

I fit works for you then fine. I must admit that I would have another block fixed by a dynema strop to the toe rail in front of that stanchion pulley you have for your furling line. This would mean the sheet came to then winch from a lower angle & would be less liable to get an over riding turn. But as you are not using the sheet in the same way as you would a genoa sheet, ie constantly pulling in & freeing off every tack then it probably does not worry you & the less friction the better.
It is a point i like about the aluminium toe rail, one can fix bits to it & lead lines from varying angles. I believe modern Hanse no longer use this feature possibly to look sleaker & more modern. But being a "tweaker" I like it


Edited by samuel - 28 April 2016 at 16:14

 

G beav
Whilst we are on the subject of pictures ( which we were not)I think that you should  tidy those lines up & put those hatch covers away please. Always remember you are a Hanse sailor now not the owner of some old Westerly  or the like.
Cannot let standards slip  on the forum
Otherwise- hope we see a lot more posts from you



Edited by samuel - 29 April 2016 at 07:46