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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote quiksail Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 June 2023 at 14:42
Thank You for posting this... I am going to check mine immediately! 
what year is your 458?  
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Wayne's World Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 June 2023 at 14:55
Doug,

In a previous post he said the boat was 3 years old.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote marsella Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 June 2023 at 18:35
My boat is Hanse 458, production year 2020, #80. Covid years, I only got it to sail starting mid 2021.

Talking to Jefa, they claim that Donghua chain is made from 316 SS, still insist one needs to grease it regularly. My argument that lot of marine stuff made from 316 never shows any kind of corrosion is completely ignored.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Wayne's World Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 June 2023 at 23:38
Marsella,

There is one way of checking if the original chain is 316 as 316 is not magnetic. If a magnet does no stick to it then it is probably 316. If it does stick it is probably 304. Having said that there are various qualities of 316. The chemical composition of 316 is between various percentages - ie 16% to 18% of Chromium, 10% to 14% Nickle, 2% to 3% of Molybdenum and a small amount of carbon. 316SS which is at the lower end of these percentages is still classified as 316SS but is not as resistant to corrosion. Why do manufactures make lower grade 316SS because it is cheaper. The steering chain is possibly in a bad environment if it get wet with salt water and remains wet and exposed to air. I am not familiar with the layout of the steering on the 458. Our steering and auto pilot chains have some grease on them but not much and after 9 years they look like new. I cables have not been greased and I seem to remember something from Jefa saying not to grease the cables where they go through the sheaves. Again there is no rust on our cables.   
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote marsella Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 June 2023 at 00:21
The chain I have appears to be magnetic. So it maybe 316 of Donghua quality...

I just checked with endoscope  the condition of the chains inside steering pedestrals and they show no corrosion and also properly greased. It looks like the only piece that I need to replace now is the chain between the two cables under deck which is very easy. If anybody going to check the chain condition on 458, can you post how many chain links are there, I count 11 but I may have lost some. i am also going to ask Greifswald how long do I need to order.

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Marsella,

If magnetic - maybe 304SS but not 316SS. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Arcadia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 June 2023 at 03:32
If there is any doubt at all, then I would encourage changing out to premium chain. $30-$50 per foot. Easy to replace using master links. Lewmar uses US Tsubaki in their systems.
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Is 316 durable enough for this application?

It is without doubt more corrosion resistant but also a very hard material and more susceptible to fatigue.

I would just recommend following Jefa's annual maintenance guidance?


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Hi Ian
Ok need to check mine on a 2021 458. 
Maybe I’m being a bit thick 🤨. How do I gain acess to the chain to check its condition?  
1. Take the steering wheel off then remove the bulkhead steerer which presumably allows the steerer shaft to come with it?
2. Is it not possible to inspect by removing the inspection panel on the rear of the pedestal ?
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Remove steering wheels from pedestals.

Remove steering cables from quadrant.

Remove six allen head screws from steering wheel bearing assembly and pull chain through this hole. It is very fiddly. Don't drop chain back down steering pedestal. I cable-tie a large spanner to chain so it cannot fall back through hole while applying the grease.

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Edited by Ian Coverdale - 06 July 2023 at 06:41
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