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    Posted: 30 April 2022 at 14:09

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Sorry to start/continue a discussion like this, I just couldnít post these words , very odd 

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Edited by Rock - 30 April 2022 at 14:12
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 32mike Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 April 2022 at 14:41
My 458 came with a 21kg Ultra. Iíve been pretty happy with it. Hasnít dragged yet.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote S&J Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 April 2022 at 15:12
I replaced the 20kg Delta with an Epsilon while commissioning.
What makes you think this isn't good?
It sets very quickly and resets if tide changes.
I dragged twice last year, once in 35kts in an anchorage strewn with debris.  Dragged 50m before resetting (we had loads of room).  When I lifted in the morning there was a bundle of old rope in the fluke.
Second time was more worrying, in a very crowded anchorage which we entered at 3am. I was satisfied that we were holding firm but wind shift at 6am caused drag with very little room to recover.  Bottom was very slity sand (others described it as liquid sand) and I clearly didn't do my homework in selecting this after a 36hr sail.  No harm done other than to pride.
Neither caused by the anchor itself and for the other 120 nights at anchor I was totally secure.
Epsilon fits onto the standard roller although the pin is slightly too high which means a bit of a faff to secure.
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Thanks for your feed back
Honestly mainly because of Panopeís tests.
epsilon didnít perform too good in that, last year.

I realize Panope isnít the only tester  either, but have to believe it is the (at least one of) the reason so many people (also on this forum) talk about and heave mantus, sarca or Rocna Vulcan, all top 3 listed in panopeí s tests.

I have not really seen any real life test reviews of the epsilon after that.

Can we assume that if an anchor fits on the newer Hanse models, it also fits in the anchor rollers of 370, 400 etc?


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rock Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 July 2022 at 15:03
So I went ahead and bought the 20kg Rocna Vulcan (actually weighed in at 22 kg on the scales).

It is indeed rather wobbly on the standard 400 anchor roll setup.
Swinging about in waves, not desirable.

Spent a Sunday morning putzing  around with a piece of teak and an 80% plan.
While sawing and shaving, the plan developed.

The result will work I believe, the anchor doesnít swing from side to side anymore.
The piece of teak doesnít hinder normal operation, the chain will pass under it, and it will secure the anchor when pulled up to a stop.
It swivels somewhat to align with the rounded shape of the shank.

I also drilled 2 extra holes in the anchor roll, to be have a point to lash the anchor down, further back.

After untying the lashing the anchor is self launching.

Needless to say, it will we stowed when really rough conditions are expected.

And, yes, my anchor role is a bit bent from an incident a while back.

Still the standard anchor role is too flimsy with 3 mm stainless.
Thinking about having it copied (maybe some small changes),  made new with 5 mm plate stainless.

Somewhat DIY-ish, but for what itís worth.

Peter





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Edited by Rock - 03 July 2022 at 15:17
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Hi Rock

That looks nice.
I have the Rocna 15kg and 8 mm chain. The non-vulcan version interfered with my Code0 setup.

But we sleep very confident with the knowledge that it has superior holding power.
With our Hanse 370 we also had a Bavaria 42 Match alongside in gusts of 10-14 knots. (that is 15.000 kg, 2 hulls and 2 x 18 meter masts) no problem.

We have also been hosts for a boat-island with 3 other boats alongside, a total of 25 tons, 4 masts...
That was in gusts to 10 knots. Even had a 180 degree wind-shift but only in 5 knots of wind.
No problem at all

Both experiences was in zero wave condition.


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I swapped the Standard 16Kg Delta on my 400e to a 20kg Manson Supreme. I modified the anchor roller with the addition of a Mantis Anchor Mate (a swinging heavy duty rubber pad) that really locks the larger anchor in place on the standard roller. The Manson cost me very little but has been a huge upgrade (even if Panope doesnít score it highly itís still vastly better than the Delta on UK East Coast mud). Whatever anchor you go for check out Mantusí Anchor Mate. Worth the money to secure a larger anchor properly and simple to install. The smaller version fits perfectly & both the LH & RH versions would fit  

BTW I donít think a 25kg anchor would fit the standard roller. Would be interested if anyone achieved that and whether the standard windlass copes with it too?

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dogscout Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 July 2022 at 14:42
On my 430e which may have the same roller hardware as the 400, I have a 25 kg Rocna fitted.  The 16 kg Delta that my boat came with dragged on me 2 times and that was enough.  
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