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Jan_B
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Topic: Upgraded to a lithium batteryPosted: 17 February 2025 at 22:28 |
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Hello,
I'm curious if anyone in the forum has upgraded to a lithium battery. In my Hanse 325 from 2011, there is a Cyrix-i battery combiner that prevents the starting battery from charging the house battery when the voltage is below a certain level. I am considering replacing this with a Victron DCDC charger. However, I'm unsure whether to choose an isolated or non-isolated version. The electrical drawings indicate that the house battery and starting battery are connected to the negative busbar (MET0016) (see picture below), suggesting that a non-isolated Victron DCDC charger may be sufficient. The poorly labeled cables on my boat make it challenging to confirm this. I have not been able to locate the negative busbar, so if someone could explain its location, I would greatly appreciate it. I am interested to hear if anyone in the forum has undertaken this task and can offer tips on connecting a lithium battery on their boat.
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SailCS33
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Posted: 18 February 2025 at 15:55 |
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Hi. Yes, on my 2008 Model 320, I changed house battery to LiFePo4 several years ago. I am very happy with it but there are a lot of things to consider.
1) what are your power requirements 2) how much to do you motor 3) do you have solar panel I have: Victron DC/DC non-isolated. I had to modify it to add a fan. 200 watt flexible solar installed on the dodger 60AMP alternator 200ah house battery. I replaced the separate battery "keys" with a single battery knob switch (ON/OFF/Combined) My boat does not have a buss bar. There are several 10mm studs all connected. It is too much to talk about in general. If you ask more specific questions I will try to answer. |
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H320 "Curacao", Hull #085, 2008
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Jan_B
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Posted: 18 February 2025 at 18:16 |
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Thank you for your response, many good points here. To answer your questions: 1. I have a 150 AH AGM battery that has worked fine, but I have been somewhat conservative in terms of the equipment I use. I use the refrigerator minimally, have limited use of the autopilot, etc. So, I was thinking of installing a 150 AH lithium battery to enable me to spend a few more nights in remote anchorages. 2. I use the engine as little as possible, only for going in and out of the harbor. 3. I have a fixed 50 W solar panel and a portable one that I believe is 100 W. But I rarely get 150 W out of them. Some questions: 1. Where did you mount your DC/DC charger? I am considering installing my under the seat along with the battery. Is your also a Victron 12/12V 30A? How is the heat generation compared to the shore power charger? 2. Did you connect your the DC/DC charger as shown in the drawing below? |
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Posted: 18 February 2025 at 18:18 |
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SailCS33
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Posted: 18 February 2025 at 21:00 |
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Hi again. I am not familiar with this diagram but here is the one I created for myself.
The dc/dc controller on my boat is installed under the nav table. I made a vent hole in the fiberglass and covered it with pretty vent cover. This upgrade improved performance by a lot. before, i had it in a closed location where it was getting very hot and reduce output. ![]() This modification is very important for the performance of the DC/DC controller. ![]() ![]() |
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Posted: 19 February 2025 at 08:57 |
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Hello again, Nice modification with the fan at the back of the cooling fins and a well-organized circuit diagram. I notice a challenge in my setup that seems to be resolved in yours by moving the 120V to 12V chargers for shore power to the side where you have the starter battery. Is that correct? The way I had planned it, the starter battery won't receive a charge when I am connected to shore power. When you did the modification did you reroute the positive from the shore power to the starter battery side? The pink square that you have connected everything to is that a distribution panel? The circuit diagrams I have provided are the ones that came with the boat. They do not match entirely as it seems that Hanse has created a set of diagrams that cover all options, but there is some accuracy. I see that if I disconnect the positive from the copper rail and instead connect it to the input side of the DC/DC charger, the starter battery will receive power from both the alternator and shore power. Once this battery is fully charged, the house battery will be charged. I have an AGM starter battery just like you. The lithium battery has slightly different charging voltage. Did you set up the DC/DC charger in a specific way to ensure that the starter battery is fully charged before the house battery is charged? ![]() |
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Posted: 19 February 2025 at 13:58 |
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I notice a challenge in my setup that seems to be resolved in yours by moving the 120V to 12V chargers for shore power to the side where you have the starter battery. Is that correct? - Yes correct. DC/DC senses high voltage and turns on charge mode. Also, in Victron has ON/OFF jumper which I connected to external switch. Sometimes I dont need/want to charge the house battery. this switch allows me to turn it off completely. When you did the modification did you reroute the positive from the shore power to the starter battery side? - My boat came with 3 battery bank charger (10amp i think). All i did is I disconnected everything but the starter battery charge. Shore power charger doesnt know anything about DC/DC and the same visa versa. The pink square that you have connected everything to is that a distribution panel? -No. This is the two battery on/off switch. Mine is made by BlueSea but there are many of them. Did you set up the DC/DC charger in a specific way to ensure that the starter battery is fully charged before the house battery is charged? - No, not really. DC/DC does not know much about my starter battery. it only know what voltage to look for when begin charging. When alternator or the shore power is working, the voltage on starter is at >13.1 Edited by SailCS33 - 19 February 2025 at 14:14 |
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Posted: 28 April 2025 at 11:10 |
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It can be tricky tracing those cables on a boat, can't it?
As for the negative busbar, it's usually somewhere central where all the negative wires converge – often near the batteries or the main electrical panel.......... Hopefully, someone who's tackled a similar lithium upgrade on their boat can chime in with some firsthand tips!
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Posted: 28 April 2025 at 15:31 |
In my 342 i have 4x40Ah lime Life4po as a single batterybankThat i also use for starting the engine (30hp) I have kept it simple and it works fine Solarpanels are rated 270w in total 110w each side alonge the ligeline and 50w on doghouse I have the fridge on all summer and when sailing I use the autopilot and a 12” plotter Upp until today charging PC and cellular Still batteries are topped by solar each day Regardless bad weather in last autumn tend not to totally keep up running every thing on only solar’s but still keep the fridge working The cutoff circuit is set for a slightly higher voltage so starting engine is not a problem only a push button to bypass Never a issue ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Edited by Jojo - 28 April 2025 at 15:49 |
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3 Cabin, Hanse 342, Deep draft, Tiller version.
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Posted: 28 April 2025 at 17:37 |
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What alternator do you have and what do you use to protect it from overheating?
Also how do you control the charging profile? Thank you
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