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    Posted: 14 July 2014 at 19:17
After a long time of deduction I’m almost sure I’ve water leakage from the keel, but not in the position you might expect it. The keel bolds are completely dry, but water is coming from below the stringer, just in front of the coach before the kitchen sinks. That’s at the most front part of the keel, but to my knowledge there’s no bold in that position (you can’t even reach it there) I can’t understand how water can leak in this position. It only happens when sailing under sail, or with bigger waves when under motor. When the boat is moored, no water cumulates. I’m sure it’s ‘seawater’. When sailing in seawater, it’s salt, when sailing on a lake, with fresh water, the water is fresh as well. It’s leaking a couple of liters of water per hour. (2 a 3 a think). To leak water, the boat must swing, which applies pressure and movements to the keel. My idea is that water is finding its way between the aluminum contra plate and the hull. But can this happen? I don’t want to remove my keel and find out it’s something completely different.
PS. I never crashed into something with either my keel or my boat 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rubato Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 July 2014 at 19:31
I doubt very much that it is from the keel.

There are many passages in the stringers through which water can flow all over the place. It's actually quite annoying and makes it very difficult to diagnose the source of any water (fresh or salt). In addition, to remove all water from the bilge not only do you have to remove the floorboards but you also have to connect a wet/dry vacuum to various holes in the stringer to "suck" the water out of the stringers.

So, if the area around your keel bolts are dry, I'd look for a different source of the leakage instead of the keel.
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Hi Steve, thanks for your reply. But just because I did all of your suggestions, it's my believe now that this is the cause.
To make a note here of all the things I've done to find the (probely) source is to much of a list to write down. But believe me, all the 'normal' sources I've excluded. (Even removed the floor boards etc.)
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Do you have an air conditioning unit? If so, you have a raw water (cooling water) exit hole in your hull above the water line. If there is no back flow preventer on the hose, the hose will siphon water when the boat is heeled. That water flows back into the sump and eventually migrates to the place you are finding water now. It sloshes around when the boat is heeled. 2-3 liters would be the right amount over the course of 3-5 hours when the exit hole is below the water line.   I think it is unlikely your keel joint is leaking, especially if you don't get water in while the boat is level and in its slip.
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Hi Doug, no, no Airco etc. in the boat. Only a heater, that's more required here in the Netherlands :-)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rubato Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 July 2014 at 18:39
Originally posted by RainierG RainierG wrote:

Hi Steve, thanks for your reply. But just because I did all of your suggestions, it's my believe now that this is the cause.
To make a note here of all the things I've done to find the (probely) source is to much of a list to write down. But believe me, all the 'normal' sources I've excluded. (Even removed the floor boards etc.)


Understood, how's the support from the dealer for this problem? I think it would be difficult to sort out direct with Hanse in Germany.
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The boat is no longer 'under waranty' (7 years old), but I've had contact with the current importer in The Netherlands (West Yachting).
A couple of suggestions have been provided and now have the conclusion: this is not the case.
The actual situation I've to mail to them, but I don't think they've the solution either
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Hi,
this spring we´ve also found water underneath the kitchen. All other inspectionholes were dry.
The amount of water was about 2-3 Litres. We dried the place and if we stayed in the harbour it stayed dry. But some days later the same problem occured again.
As my wife told me that the waterpressure on the shower became weak i´ve found the reason. A leaking quickconnection on the flexible hose to the thruwall fitting was leaking. Without heeling the water was hiden under the showerfloor. At sailing conditions it flow from the portside to the bilge under the kitchen without accessing any other bilge. It took 10 minutes to solve.
So I don´t want to claim that you have the same problem, but the way the water takes thru the stringers is really strange.

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Hi Paul, I don't know about you, but we don't shower with salt water. I'm 200% sure this is not the reason.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote gertha Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 July 2014 at 23:01
I have a 370, so basically the same as a 400.
When sailing we take water on board, as we have now sailed over 20k , I am getting the hang of where the water gets in.
Main problem is under where the asymmetric prodder is fitted, the fittings open on the bow and lets water in , this then finds its way into the bottom of the boat.
Most of the windows and hatches weap a bit in a heavy sea, this finds its way into the sole.
the engine exhaust leaks, again the same problem.
The anchor locker drain has had problems , either where it is in the anchor locker or at its exit from hull.
I have read of problems with the pulpit mountings.
The water problem you have is most likely a problem with water leaking somewhere and ending where you find it.
I do not know if this is an exact science but I am told if you lift your boat and check the hull join to keel it should be dry , this presumes you can be with the crane and wait for the surface moisture to evaporate.
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