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    Posted: 29 August 2015 at 14:01
I'm in the process of looking for another boat. The sales office pointed me to a Hanse 350 / 2008 too. I don't know the boat and was wondering what you as owner thing of the pro's and con's, but more important on the sailing capabilities at sea. This boat has a 1,45m keel.

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Hard to believe there is no one on the firum with an opnion on this one ;)
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Hi there, we have something very similar - a 2011 Hanse 355 3 cabin, 30hp volvo penta model with the deeper 1.92m T keel.

Side-by-side the two models seem to be virtually identical.

The boat sails quickly and easily.
Handles rough stuff effortlessly.
Plenty of room for two and the occasional guest.

The only disadvantages are its shallow anchor chain locker - we use a wooden dowel to help poke the chain down and a very small capacity blackwater tank.
For that issue we installed a 90% full alarm to avoid over-filling it.

Best of luck

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Thanks Connan.

Is the black water tank standard?

The size of the box for the gaz tank, is that limited to those Campin Gaz tanks, or is their space available for a larger tank (I rebuild the holder on my 311 to hold a larger tank).

The total size of the sails in relation to the boat, is that in balance or is the boat under or overpowered?

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There are two gaz tank lockers for camping gaz.  There's quite no way to make any modifications.
The waste water tank is approx 35 l.

Even if the hulls are the same, the H355 is a bit different from H350 :
- Shrouds are set on the side (H355)
- H350 has two small locker in aft cockpit - No more on H355
- The main differences are about the heads.  H355 (2 cabins) has a separate shower.  Some H350 have fore heads and a third cabin or a very huge storage cabin/locker.
- H355 has a lower transom access
- H350 is powered with Yanmar - H355 with Volvo
- There's somme difference on accommodation especially about lockers & storage
- H350 is partly sandwich built (balsa core) - H355 is solid laminate except for deck of course
- Late H355 (after may 2011 as far as I know) may have Selden rig instead of Spacraft


Note : H355 models differs a bit one from the other on a few détails.  



Edited by Brufan - 31 August 2015 at 12:17
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Thanks Brufan.

Originally posted by Brufan Brufan wrote:

Even if the hulls are the same, the H355 is a bit different from H350 :
  1. - Shrouds are set on the side (H355)
  2. - H350 has two small locker in aft cockpit - No more on H355
  3. - The main differences are about the heads.  H355 (2 cabins) has a separate shower.  Some H350 have fore heads and a third cabin or a very huge storage cabin/locker.
  4. - H355 has a lower transom access
  5. - H350 is powered with Yanmar - H355 with Volvo
  6. - There's somme difference on accommodation especially about lockers & storage
  7. - H350 is partly sandwich built (balsa core) - H355 is solid laminate except for deck of course
  8. - Late H355 (after may 2011 as far as I know) may have Selden rig instead of Spacraft

Note : H355 models differs a bit one from the other on a few détails.  



The 350 I was offered has an aft cabin, and one in the front. The shower is located on port in the back. I noticed a huge storage / locker.

Ad 1. What is the advantage / disadvantage for this one?
Ad 4. Not sure, you mean the entrance to the cabin?
Ad 5. This one has a Yanmar.
Ad 7. This could give issues with water coming in. On the other hand, my Hanse 311 is probably build the same way.
Ad 8. Didn't watch on this one.

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Hi Gregor,

The one you were offered is a H350 "2.0" if I might say.  More classical accomodations than the first release back in 2005-6.   The storage is already huge but with first release it was hugier (full space of aft cabin, not only bed space).

ad 1 : For the yard, putting shrouds on the side is a lot simpler and cheaper.  In theory, the more you put shrouds to the side the more you can have "power" applied on the mast.  But in fact it is only a question of €€€.  Disadvantage : you can only use a max 105 % genoa otherwise it will go on the spreaders.  (if you want more power in very light winds you can still use a code 0 or equivalent.
ad 4 : No the transom, aft side of the yacht.  On H 350 its access from water level is about 15-20 cm higher.  On h355 hanse lowered access a the back but there another step to access cockpit.
Ad 7 : In theory it is stiffer and lighter wind sandwich built.  But I do not think weight is different between 350/355.  I think there might be a slight difference considering noise from water (but hard to compare indeed).  When I testsailed H350 back in 2008 I was impressed by its stiffness (yacht is more "rigid" than the ones I used to sail).  This gives a good feeling when sailing upwind and for sure better performance.

(sorry for my poor english)
Bruno

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Gregor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 August 2015 at 14:14
Clear explanation Bruno.

I'm in the process of considering a Victoire 1044 and a Hanse 350. The latest was not on the list until the yard suggested it to me based on my explanation of why I'm looking for a larger boat.
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Gregor, it is really diffcult to compare the 1044 to the 350.
The victoire is a beautiful classic yacht designed by Koopmans. Victoires are solid build boats. If you consider sailing long distance and you want to go smooth thru the waves, and you like a more conservative way of living (i.E. interior),  than the victoire is your boat.

The 350 is a much more modern boat. it will sail faster but much more rough in short steep waves.
As you know, i own a 370. I love it because it is fast, modern inside and so on. But in heavy weather on the north sea i think a Victoire (in our case we compared to the 1122) would be much more comforable.

We chose the 370 because it fits better to our way to sail. It was also important that a complete new 370 was less expensive than a old used Victoire 1122!


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The V1122 is even far more expensive than a V1044 ;) and also far above budget.

I do agree on your comparison. The V1044 is in pretty good shape (build yr 2000), however it has some work to do. On the other hand there is the H350, used on the inland waters (IJsselmeer and Waddenzee). The current owner doesn't have any sea experience with this boat. Both have their downsides: the H350 has a wheel where I prefer a tiller and the V1044 has most of the lines at the mast. Sailing solo most of the time, I feel much more comfortable when having all lines in the cockpit. For this reason I no longer look at the Breehorn 37.

I must say, I really do like my H311, it's a great boat and spent a lot of time bringing it to my fits and needs. However I'd like to have a little more living comfort and stability at sea.
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