what we are learning about racing the 385

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   Is anyone wanting to race their 385?

We are racing ours and we are learning each week.  Perhaps a thread on what works and what doesn't?

The pictures are on 'Hanses in Dubai' but I thought we could chat about more technical things here.

Our aim is not to recreate a racing boat - that would be a bit daft since we didn't buy one - but to make it easier to compete with a few modifications that we can either keep when we cruise 2 up, or simply reverse in a few minutes to get back to full cruising mode.  Simply put everything needs to be simple, quick to use but still easy for a shorthanded crew to work.

We believe that a good grew size would be 5 experienced, or 4 experienced and 2 competent crew, rather than the 10 or so you would need on a more 'race configured' boat with poles and symetric flying sails, interchangeable headsails and so on of the same sort of length.

What do you think, worth doing?

Mark

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Mark&Catherine Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admiral Joined: 18 January 2013 Location: Greece Status: Offline Points: 1219	Post Options Post Reply Quote Mark&Catherine Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: what we are learning about racing the 385 Posted: 09 December 2013 at 05:26
	Is anyone wanting to race their 385? We are racing ours and we are learning each week. Perhaps a thread on what works and what doesn't? The pictures are on 'Hanses in Dubai' but I thought we could chat about more technical things here. Our aim is not to recreate a racing boat - that would be a bit daft since we didn't buy one - but to make it easier to compete with a few modifications that we can either keep when we cruise 2 up, or simply reverse in a few minutes to get back to full cruising mode. Simply put everything needs to be simple, quick to use but still easy for a shorthanded crew to work. We believe that a good grew size would be 5 experienced, or 4 experienced and 2 competent crew, rather than the 10 or so you would need on a more 'race configured' boat with poles and symetric flying sails, interchangeable headsails and so on of the same sort of length. What do you think, worth doing? Mark
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Ilkhanse Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Joined: 27 November 2011 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 228	Post Options Post Reply Quote Ilkhanse Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 09 December 2013 at 10:39
	I would welcome such a thread. We have raced our 415 and I have been pleased with how we have done. I am a not an experienced racer, so I'm not sure how much I can add, but will look forward to others comments. When we race, I generally put on a bigger head sail, but that is the only modification. So far, I have left the dodger and Bimini up while racing! The other we did on our boat is to put outboard genoa/jib tracks, which helps greatly with sail shape when sailing off the wind.

Mark&Catherine Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admiral Joined: 18 January 2013 Location: Greece Status: Offline Points: 1219	Post Options Post Reply Quote Mark&Catherine Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 09 December 2013 at 11:27
	How big is your headsail?
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Ilkhanse Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Joined: 27 November 2011 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 228	Post Options Post Reply Quote Ilkhanse Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 09 December 2013 at 11:37
	106, which is as big as it can be I think. I do gave reef earlier with it, but it Definately helps in light winds.

Mark&Catherine Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admiral Joined: 18 January 2013 Location: Greece Status: Offline Points: 1219	Post Options Post Reply Quote Mark&Catherine Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 09 December 2013 at 13:08
	yes same as mine. We definately lost out below 8 knots true at the weekend. Most other boats had 135 overlapping. We are fast downwind with our new a2, even keeping up with some of the racer cruisers like the B firsts. I might talk to sailmakers about a code 0 that measures as a spinnaker, but is not too large and is stiff enough to take us upwind. I think we would need to sheet it with tweakers probably fastened in the mid mooring cleats so we can narrow the angle of attack. Might be expensive for a stable cloth, so I would have to be sure of the benefit. I've had a quick chat with North and they believe that they can do something
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mopoulter Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Joined: 19 March 2009 Location: London, Canada Status: Offline Points: 320	Post Options Post Reply Quote mopoulter Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 10 December 2013 at 18:50
	Hi I race my 370 most weekends and do some long distance stuff as well on Lake Huron. For short course I carry a 153 % genoa (about 50 sq meters) for light to moderate winds (<12 knots apparent; cars need to be installed). Then have a 108% that works on self tacker for 12-22 apparent (higher if we throw in a reef). Both are aramid cloth. Then the stock head sail for above 22 which is quite rare. Bought a racing main last year (kevlar carbon tape from Doyle) that also helps alot (55 sq meters). Also have 100 sq meter (for 8-16 knots app) and 150 sq meter (for < 8 knots app) asyms for downhill legs. Both fly on an extended Selden sprit. I would like to add a 125-135 % genoa to this inventory but....$$$$!!! I also have a code 0 for long distance races for less than 6-8 knots apparent (85 sq meters). It is very difficult to tack and so on short courses it is too much trouble to use. This could be solved if I had a furler but that's another few thousand and as you can see I have spent more than my wife is happy with already! Racing with dodger and bimini is very counter productive probably costs as much as a knot up wind. I remove mine using "fast pins". Takes about 2 minutes to take off and 5 to put back on. I just leave the everything on shore. We usually do well against "faster" boats (uncorrected; a Ben First 40.7 and a C&C 37R ) on Sunday races so our boats will perform if you treat them right.
	mp Hanse 370 #416 "Anxiolytic"

Yeoman Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 31 May 2007 Location: Hamble Status: Offline Points: 384	Post Options Post Reply Quote Yeoman Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 December 2013 at 08:47
	Hi Everyone, This is a great thread and from what I understand from our owners who are racing, they often more than keep up with what are marketed to be faster boats! I look forward to reading more Phil

Mark&Catherine Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admiral Joined: 18 January 2013 Location: Greece Status: Offline Points: 1219	Post Options Post Reply Quote Mark&Catherine Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 December 2013 at 09:18
	We just drop our spreyhood (dodger) and we never fitted the binimi for this reason. Apart from the windage, the main reason is that the spinnaker trimmer can stand on the cabin top to get a good view, and the sheet would foul the binimi. The trimmer can always ease, but in stronger winds we need a winch handle in the winch to grind back in, so we effectively have one man for out and one for in, the guy on the cabin top calling the shots with 'grind' when he wants the sheet in. Also means we can dump power quickly. I think this is pretty standard for racing crews, but its easy to teach to novices if they start on the winch. Worst issue is the port rounding and port hoist, I need both my port winches twice for this manouver, so I'm switching my mainsheet to starrboard side and fitting clam cleats for the Genoa to free up the front winches after the bear away. And I like the idea of not having to disengauge the self tailer in a gust. I was impressed with the way we kept rudder control even when true wind topped 15 with the big A 2 up on a broad reach.
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silversailor Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admiral Joined: 25 May 2005 Location: South Haven, MI Status: Offline Points: 1021	Post Options Post Reply Quote silversailor Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 December 2013 at 22:31
	Like Mike, we too race both short (buoy) races and distance (65-95nm) in our H370e. Due to the light winds that we frequently encounter on Lake Michigan (Lake Huron's Big Brother) we use a 155 regularly. As wind approachs 15K we will use our 135. Haven't used the original self tacker in years. Added a new laminate mainsail last year and a asym spinnaker on a furler which I fly off of the 12" sprit that was standard on the 370. Just purchased (for spring installation) Garhauer adjustable genoa blocks with 5' of track drilled with 100mm spacing to match existing holes. We have been very competitive in jib and main buoy races (but not in windward/leeward courses) and in our distance races against a variety of boats.
	Silversailor South Haven, MI USA S/V Legacy 2010 Andrews 28

Mark&Catherine Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admiral Joined: 18 January 2013 Location: Greece Status: Offline Points: 1219	Post Options Post Reply Quote Mark&Catherine Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 December 2013 at 17:20
	30 mile race round the 'world' today in 14-22 knots true. We blew the vang block at the base of the mast, it just sheared off below the cheeks. I think if Hanse are going to rig the boat for vang sheeting, the vang should be man enough for the job. Luckily it blew as we were setting up for the start, but we only had 14 knots at that point, now even strong wind and the block just gave way. Anyway back to the race, long beat followed by close reach, then beam reach, by which time we were up to 20 true, broad reach next so we launched the furl storm, peaked at 10.2 knots wild ride down wind, gybed and ran at 150 true until we needed to point higher, furled away and relaunched the jib. Crossed the line in 3 hours 15
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