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    Posted: 08 March 2016 at 19:37
Gertha has been a good girl and I plan on buying her a new foresail.
I have had 2 self tack jibs, the first was a North, when new it set well ; but the leach stretched and I ended up breaking the clew trying to get tension. The second was a Crusader and was an absolute dog from day 1, the luff too long and flat at the bottom with no shape the top was so baggy it will not furl.
So now I am thing of fore sail 3 or may be 7 as we have a few other toys, should I forget self tack and go to a 110, giving a shape that will furl better, a better slot and maybe a better sail or have I had 2 crap sails and should stick with self tack.

Any ideas .

Do not suggest going back to Crusader the guy is a con man.
North I can let off it was a sail supplied on the boat to a budget and it had a couple of Atlantics with force 8 and 9 , all be it down wind.

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Hi Simon
I had a 110% jib made by Sanders lovely sail
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rubato Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 March 2016 at 21:14
I would say that it really depends on your intentions and environment. If you normally sail in less than 10 knots of breeze, the boat can certainly use more power so a 110 (or bigger) is helpful. If you're doing any racing at all, then definitely the 110. If only cruising and breeze is quite often more than 8-10, then a self tacker is fine.
With all the racing we do, Rubato has a 138 and a 108. But when I go out cruising I throw on the original furling self tacker....
 
Note, you can get a bigger self tackers. Evolution Sails calls them a "Lapper" design...
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote sailkoop Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 March 2016 at 08:29
HI Simon,
my last Selftacker was coming from Elvstroem. It is an Epex-Sail and works beautiful. Never'll miss it again. 
For your Cruising I guess you should thing about a Code 0 which you can use under 8kn and for downwind and Reaching Courses! 
If I would go for long traveling I would go into this kind of Setup.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brufan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 March 2016 at 11:32
Since I swaped original North selftacker after 3 sailing seasons for a laminate one with 3 vertical battens life is different
I have a crusing laminate selftacker 1,5 mē larger than Noth origninal one (wich was 25 mē although yard's docs claims 29 mē...).  The leech is not flapping anymore
The fabric (made to order) is Trilam Trekking made for cruising yachts.
After 2 sailng seasons I can recommand it.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote iemand Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 March 2016 at 14:01
I have as my standard sail a Membrane 110% sail and that works perfectly! Yes a better quality selftacker would also be an improvement for you but a 110% is not just bigger but also better trimable. If you have adjustable tracks you can easily depower if necessary. For me it is completely independend from Code = or not Code 0
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote gertha Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 March 2016 at 20:21
Wind strength and normal use is not relevant, we never sail in the same area and as a result cannot predict what wind we will be in.
Have a storm Jib, a Gale sail at 70% , a 140 Genoa an Asymetric and a Symetric so we cover all basis.

What I am looking for is the best sail for general sailing , which is what the self tacker has done untill now.

Will a 110 % sets from the existing track on side deck?

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Do you still have a Doberman?  My first pet, a wonderful guy.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote gertha Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 March 2016 at 07:42
Our Doby made it to 14 this Christmas.
I think the thought of having to do another Christmas with my relatives was too much for her.
A major poke in the eye when she went, think I am to soft.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote iemand Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 March 2016 at 09:27
I have tracks on the coachroof for the jib. Better upwind angle and less healing! Aluminium is in the deck. 
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