411 and broken mast

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Today I was
able to get photos of the mast. May be it is not so simple to see from the
pictures, but looking at the mast it seems that the upper part from the forestay
and up its shape gets slimmer. However, I also looked at an older 411 and it
seems like that profile is tapered too.  The picture without radar is Jøvani, 2005 model. The one with radar I believe is 2003 model. 
Please look at the mast to the right in the pictures!
Beno, a
very nice picture! I can see your deck layout is a little different. I only
have the aft small hatches, one above pantry and the other at the toilet. Do
you have any details of the inner forestay you mounted? I will consider doing
the same as I understand it will strengthen the mast.  But as I normally have our inflatable dingy on
deck it must be simple to mount and demount.
regards Jøvani

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Jøvani Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Joined: 20 April 2009 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 175	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jøvani Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 January 2012 at 12:37
	Today I was able to get photos of the mast. May be it is not so simple to see from the pictures, but looking at the mast it seems that the upper part from the forestay and up its shape gets slimmer. However, I also looked at an older 411 and it seems like that profile is tapered too. The picture without radar is Jøvani, 2005 model. The one with radar I believe is 2003 model. Please look at the mast to the right in the pictures! Beno, a very nice picture! I can see your deck layout is a little different. I only have the aft small hatches, one above pantry and the other at the toilet. Do you have any details of the inner forestay you mounted? I will consider doing the same as I understand it will strengthen the mast. But as I normally have our inflatable dingy on deck it must be simple to mount and demount. regards Jøvani
	Jøvani Hanse 411 #189 Tønsberg Norway

barbarigo Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Commander Joined: 30 October 2005 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 86	Post Options Post Reply Quote barbarigo Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 February 2012 at 21:55
	Nice pitture. I'm interesting in tour extra forestay. Where you fix tris on deck? And on the mast? Tank you,
	Aries, Hanse 411 Hullnr. 149

Jøvani Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Joined: 20 April 2009 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 175	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jøvani Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 17 February 2012 at 12:26
	Hi Barbarigo, I have the same interest as you. Also consider an inner forestay. But would appreciate to see a picture and some description. I know there exits 411 which has mounted a forestay that can moved when not needed. I hope someone can help us out ! Regards Jøvani
	Jøvani Hanse 411 #189 Tønsberg Norway

samba Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Joined: 24 December 2007 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 234	Post Options Post Reply Quote samba Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 February 2012 at 11:02
	Hello, I have put a baby stay and runners on our 411. I always use it when sailing at sea. Right now i have removed the babystay since i am mostly sailing in the inner waters of holland. You do have to go up the mast to remove it. I defenitely would advise the baby stay when sailing a lot at sea to stop the pumping. You can see some pictures at http://www.myhanse.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1854 Cheers, Michiel
	Samba - Hanse 411 - Bruinisse

Jøvani Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Joined: 20 April 2009 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 175	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jøvani Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 February 2012 at 14:12
	Thanks Michiel, Sorry for late response, but is on vacation and have only limited internet access. Looks very nice what you have done. But have a question, did you make any reinforcement under the deck? regards Jøvani
	Jøvani Hanse 411 #189 Tønsberg Norway

Jøvani Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Joined: 20 April 2009 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 175	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jøvani Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 February 2012 at 02:04
	Michiel, I got a better look at your pictures this morning. Looks to be simple to make the deck connection. Thanks again. Jøvani
	Jøvani Hanse 411 #189 Tønsberg Norway

samba Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Joined: 24 December 2007 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 234	Post Options Post Reply Quote samba Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 25 February 2012 at 09:45
	Hello Jøvani, The connection was indeed very simple. I am not quite sure of all 411's have the same reinforcement. Let me know if you want to know more. What are your plans? Cheers, Michiel
	Samba - Hanse 411 - Bruinisse

Jøvani Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Joined: 20 April 2009 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 175	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jøvani Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 26 February 2012 at 07:33
	Hi Michiel, My reason for looking into this topic is due to what I have been reading related to the Sparcraft rig and a few masts coming down when it not should . My sailing is mostly in not too rough conditions, but a crossing from the Oslofjord to Skangen in Damnark I do from time to time. This is an open sea crossing of 90 - 100 miles. I the present rig setting I have never experienced any pumping and the rig seems stable. However, as many other boat owners I like to implement improvements and reading about this topic I consider it to be a kind of insurance to avoid trouble out at sea. During most sailing I would like to use the self-tacker jib thus I was thinking of a removable inner forestay. This will also give me the possibility to continue to utilize the foredeck for my rubber dinghy. Your solution looks good, I only need to make it detachable at the deck and find a parking place when not in use. Any ideas will be appreciated. Cheers! Jøvani
	Jøvani Hanse 411 #189 Tønsberg Norway

samba Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Joined: 24 December 2007 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 234	Post Options Post Reply Quote samba Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 26 February 2012 at 08:59
	Hi there, When looking for a new boat I spoke to two 411 owners. When asking what to modify, the first one recommended adding a baby stay because of the pumping of the mast at sea. The second one gave me a lot of good advise because he crossed the atlantic a year before I did. He did loose his mast in the english channel and had to replace it !! My experience with the baby stay that it is very annoying when using either genua or the turning jib. It is always in the way. Sailing longe distance this not really a problem. Sailing in the inner waters it is annoying. I used to detach the baby stay from the deck and this can be easily done. I then attach it to the base of the stays next to the mast. This does work but the baby stay hits the schrouts all the time making lot's of noice when there is a bit more wind. We are now sailing in a compeitition in inner waters so I don't need it any more. A friend of mine said that we can remove the stay from the mast. Which we have done. It is now completely removed. To put it back you have to go up the mast and can be done easily. When I will sail at sea again, I will put the baby stay back. This is a half a hour job. I am satisfied with the baby stay and will keep using it at sea. I bought it because we were going to cross the atlantic and we used it all the time. The question is would I buy it now when only sailing at sea a few days a year. I don't know. It depends on the budget you have and if you want the reassurance. I do like the reassurance myself. Reading the forum Replacing the seacocks seams more urgent to me. My boat is from 2004 and i haven't replaced all the seacocks yet. I am not quit sure if this helps you.
	Samba - Hanse 411 - Bruinisse

Jøvani Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Joined: 20 April 2009 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 175	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jøvani Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 03 March 2012 at 01:04
	Hi Samba, Sorry for late response, but I am still on travel. Any advices helps, other boat owners experiences are always of great interest. I understand the issue with the detached baby stay and the noise it creates. I saw Bandy used a Dyneemaa baby stay, it might be simpler to park？There is no rush in completing the baby stay project, for the time being just pre study Anyway, will be back home March 10^th just in time to start preparation for a new season. First priority will be to have a closer look at the rudder shaft and the seacocks. Hopefully it will be OK. My 411 is from 2005 and in our area the boats are onshore from October to April. My experience so far with galvanic erosion is good. The offer anodes on the saildrive and the propeller last 2 years even if I keep shore power 220V connected through out the season. I have seen from some of the writing at myHanse there is an offer anode at the inside the saildrive on some Yanmar installations. If there is, can some one indicate where it is located? Or may be it is only on some models？ I saw your problem with rudder vibrations. Have not experienced any vibrations, but probably not made as many miles as you have. regards
	Jøvani Hanse 411 #189 Tønsberg Norway



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