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   Hi. I am new to this forum but seriously considering a 415 as a med based boat for extended cruising. Any thoughts form owners on 'what you would specify/not specify, do/not do' if you were buying new today. many thanks in advance

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ariette Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Joined: 12 August 2013 Location: med Status: Offline Points: 202	Post Options Post Reply Quote ariette Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: 415 choices Posted: 12 August 2013 at 16:44
	Hi. I am new to this forum but seriously considering a 415 as a med based boat for extended cruising. Any thoughts form owners on 'what you would specify/not specify, do/not do' if you were buying new today. many thanks in advance
	Hanse 460. 'Lyra'

Rubato Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admiral Joined: 12 July 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 1806	Post Options Post Reply Quote Rubato Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 August 2013 at 16:56
	Welcome! I'm sure you'll get at least a couple of answers but to help put things in context perhaps you could provide a few more details on your situation and the use of the boat. - contemplating club racing at all? - any thoughts to chartering it out? - weekend cruising or weeks/months at a time? - cruising with 1 or 2 people or a family? - if you're a current sailboat owner, do you find yourself motoring a lot (don't like slow progress in low wind) I'm sure there are many more questions I could ask but I'm not feeling very creative at the moment :) Steve
	Steve Hanse 400e, #168

ariette Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Joined: 12 August 2013 Location: med Status: Offline Points: 202	Post Options Post Reply Quote ariette Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 August 2013 at 17:29
	sure. the boat won't be used for racing but we wouls like to cruise it fast and in the Med that means a gennaker to add to the sail wardrobe. Mostly cruising 2 up so the 2 cabin, 2 head version. On the motoring front is everyone happy with the dealer assertion that the standard 38hp Volvo is plenty big enough? thanks again
	Hanse 460. 'Lyra'

High Time Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Vice Admiral Joined: 04 September 2012 Location: Portsmouth UK Status: Offline Points: 819	Post Options Post Reply Quote High Time Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 August 2013 at 17:33
	Hi Welcome to the Forum. It depends whether you want to do any fit out yourself or get it all done for you. I took the approach that anything on the mast should be done by the yard or the dealer. Most of the electronics inside I did myself. The first choice to make is probably the sail configuration. I went for the in-mast, just for the ease of stowage. If I was younger/fitter then I would go for the performance fully battened main and probably the gennaker and extra winches. Radar, radar reflector, TV antenna and VHF aerial were fitted by the dealer. The Nav package was supplied by Hanse. The rest of the electronics I fitted myself. As a minimum you will need a VHF DSC radio and I would recommend an AIS receiver (or maybe a transponder if you want other folk to know where you are). Options (which I fitted) include TV and stereo and a battery monitor. I would recommend the Cruising Pack which includes a second service battery, windlass, spring cleats etc. all of which are pretty essential. Ditto the Cruising Pack. I would also recommend the bow thruster for peace of mind. It is not something you need to use very often but when you do, you'll be very glad you've got it! Modern boats have a lot of windage at the bow. I would not recommend teak decks. They look (and feel) lovely when they are new but can be a real pain after a few years when they go grey/dirty and start growing things! I had teak decks on a previous boat and went for fibreglass on High Time. I am also happy with an all white hull. Cabin layout depends on your needs. We went for the single heads (for extra forepeak stowage) and 3 cabins (you can use the 3rd cabin for 'junk' but you can't use the large locker for sleeping). Fabrics and wood are a personal choice. We went for the cherrywood furniture, classic stripes floor and chocolate higher spec upholstery and are very happy with our choices. The standard engine (D2-40) is fine but fit the folding prop for better (and quieter) sailing performance. You won't need heating in the Med but you might consider aircon. I guess a bimini is esential in the Med but you might be able to get a better deal from a local supplier. Ditto the sprayhood (maybe not required) and the cockpit cushions. It is worth noting that some of the options on the standard pricelist are expensive - local supply could well be cheaper for simple 'bolt-on' extras. However, having everything provided through a single dealer makes life easy for the Buyer! If you are buying though IMG then you should have a pleasant experience. Good luck and let us know on the Forum what you decide.
	Roger High Time (415 #038)

Ilkhanse Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Joined: 27 November 2011 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 228	Post Options Post Reply Quote Ilkhanse Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 August 2013 at 01:07
	I congratulate you that you have found this forum. It was a pretty large part of why I bought my 415 and I think it is fairly unique or at least as effective as any i have seen for other boat manufacturers. I think the option packages have changed since we got ours, but we got the cabin version, striped sole, cherry interior with cream colored leather. We got the cruise and comfort packs, but decided to have our dealer install the electronics of choice. We also got the Bimini, dodger, and standard engine and had the dealer get a flexofold three blade prop. Here are doe thoughts: Standard engine seems to have plenty of drive and is very smooth. The prop is great with this engine! Get the Bimini and dodger ( spray hood) after market - you will get better quality and get exactly what you want Get the second fridge! It cools things much better that the standard fridge. Not sure if I have a warranty issue or not, but the regular fridge doesn't get that cold. Get the upgraded batteries!, but if you need an inverter it's probably best to get one after market as the one that comes with the comfort pact as it is pretty small. Windlass seems to be great, but time will tell if it holds up. Zeus display and AIS system have been great and are worth the extra $$ We also upgraded the mast base blocks, which aren't very good, IMHO. Good luck in your search! I hope you choose the 415. Every time we sail our boat, we like her more. She seems quite fast and is just plain easy to sail, and to sail fast.

Fendant Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admiral Joined: 03 November 2012 Location: Switzerland Status: Offline Points: 1671	Post Options Post Reply Quote Fendant Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 August 2013 at 08:04
	Having gone through teh same process recently my choices were: a) Full Simrad electronics package with WiFi ( ist really great ) b) VHF ( comes with AIS splitter ) fitted , you get an extra wireless handset with it c) biggest engine available with folding prop ( doing 6+ knots at quiet 2000 rpm ) d) side entry and bow thruster e) electric winches ( can you get your companion on board again with your manual winch ? ) f) Elvström FCL sails ( they are absolutely fantastic close hauled ) g) Teak in Cockpit, but not on decks it simply gets too hot in the Med h) Cockpit cushions i) Next season they will offer an additional fridge again in the cockpit (take it, the standard 2 door fridge is not powerful enough for the med climate ! ) j) We took the gennaker package ex works. k) the Fusion 600 entertainment package l) the big inverter ( can operate a Nespresso machine ) My mistake was that I ordered all canvas ex Yard, the quality of the tissue is lousy , it simpl does not fit. The design is plain stupid. Do this locally, then they can fix any snags quickly. You can also specify the best material for UV resistance ( Sunbrella ). Specify also side shades which you can attach to the bimini. In Mast Furling or Lazy jacks is a matter of personal preference. We went for FCL with batten cars and it works great. Do you really need a radar in the med when you have an active AIS ? I would also go for aircon which you can switch to heating if necessary. If you can fit a generator, do this. You have redundancy to charge your batteries ( take the biggest offered ex works ) Remember that Hanse are great boats offering excellent value for money. Their disadvantage is that adding gear afterwards is an arduous task.

Mark&Catherine Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admiral Joined: 18 January 2013 Location: Greece Status: Offline Points: 1219	Post Options Post Reply Quote Mark&Catherine Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 August 2013 at 09:15
	I know I'm only a 385 owner (can't compete with you rich guys), but 3 feet isn't much and the designs are almost the same. To add to what goes above. We had Inspiration sort out our spray hood, with extra covers for the clears. It fits well and you can still operate the forward winches (which you cant with the factory one) so I agree sort out your canvas locally. The FCL main looks lovely and is a great sail, the delivery crew were complimentary too. I also went with white decks with teak in the cockpit (came with one of the packages, I have cruising and performance) I went for the furlstrom, in my case quite a flat one so I can get to 80 degrees true with it up, Its a very easy sail to manage with just 2 on board and definately recommended. I got a whisker pole too, because the jib collapses on anything close to a run and there will be times when the asymmetric is too big. We chose the big plotter (old eyesight) and AIS, but no radar and I didn't feel I missed it even in the channel. And we had the wifi. Still dont know if we made the right choice on aircon (none fitted) I didn't want the weight of it or the gennerator, and the pipes take up loads of stotage. Ask me in a year. Good luck Mark
	385 ubulukutu sail number GBR 3350L in Turkey and Greece with Mark and Catherine

ariette Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Joined: 12 August 2013 Location: med Status: Offline Points: 202	Post Options Post Reply Quote ariette Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 August 2013 at 17:46
	Thanks for all your advice- very much appreciated and it's great to be able to find out timely information from owners, thank you
	Hanse 460. 'Lyra'

Rubato Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admiral Joined: 12 July 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 1806	Post Options Post Reply Quote Rubato Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 August 2013 at 19:31
	My 2 cents worth... - I have a light blue hull (gel coat). Being gel coat instead of paint it wasn't supposed to fade. It does - oxidizes very quickly. I'd likely just go with white next time - teak only in the cockpit - standard engine with a 3 blade folding prop - the battery capacity is not great so I'd try to stay away from heavy loads like Air Con - performance package basic looks pretty good, a sail upgrade and getting an overlapping genoa and gennaker are good ideas - upgrading to the Zeus plotter is a great idea. If you like to "tinker" then WiFi is an idea but not sure if it's truly useful - agree that a local supplier for canvas work (dodger, bimini, etc) is a good way to go Good luck!
	Steve Hanse 400e, #168

Fendant Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admiral Joined: 03 November 2012 Location: Switzerland Status: Offline Points: 1671	Post Options Post Reply Quote Fendant Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 August 2013 at 21:52
	Hi Rubato, you never operate the aircon off the battery bank, its either gennie or shore power. Your remarks about the UV resistance are right in UV intensive areas. However even a white hull needs a protective anti UV waxing once or twice per season. The wifi is a a luxury, however if you are in bad weather inside the cabin it allows you to check true wind speed and direction and its cheaper than an additional IS 40 ( if you have a smart phone/tablet anway ) Frank Edited by Fendant - 14 August 2013 at 21:54



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