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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 371-#235 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 August 2011 at 02:01
Installed a Groco toilet in June and have used it extensively this summer without a single problem unlike the replaced Jabsco unit. Much better toilet - strong flushing and absolutely trouble free.
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Diane Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 September 2011 at 20:35
We have not had a problem with the heads thus far but we have had a major problem with the water connectors.  We took possession in the beginning of August and sailed from Southampton to Gibralter. As stated, no problems with the head but we have had different connections throughout the boat come loose (both hot and cold) and spill into the bilge.  One time we were half way across the Bay of Biscay and there went our fresh water! My husband has tightened all of the jubille clips and, in some cases, added a second one, but the problem continues.  Has anybody else had this issue?  We live in Canada but keep the boat in Spain.  Would not like to come back to a full bilge......

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote panos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 September 2011 at 22:58
Hi,
The tubes (out of clear plastic with metal reinforcement) used by Hanse for the pressurized hot and cold water are not good quality and develop holes at random places.Most probably because the metal reinforcement is rusting.
We started to replace them last winter and gradually we  will change all of them.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ontario1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 September 2011 at 01:05
Just got my 445 about 1 week ago
 
Couple of thing related to plumbing.
The water from the fresh water pump was initially leaking, which our dealer took care to fix rapidly.
 
After we took possession of the boat we notice in both washrooms sink were leaking from the join between the counter top and glass bowl (the sink).
 
Not sure if it is common but it happened on both washroom for us.
 
Did anyone had this problem?
 
On a similar topic:
Anyone knows where are the 2 black water tanks are, how to access them, and how to know when they are getting full and ready for a pumpout.
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote panos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 September 2011 at 05:05
Hi,

The black water tanks are on the sides of the boat behind the toilet furniture.  They are under their emptying hole which is on the deck.

There is no provision to read the black water level.
What we do is to count the uses: 2 liters for lite use and 4 liters for heavy use. So after about 8-9 uses the tank should be considered full.

If by mistake you overfill it, there is a spray of blackwater to the neighboring boatConfused. If this happens do not forget to thoroughly clean the vent tube and hole by overfilling the tank with hot water and special detergent!! (after emptying the tank of course) else the vent tube blocks and there is a pressure buildup in the tank when you use the head which can lead to a reversal of flowConfusedOuchDead.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Peter-Blake Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 September 2011 at 07:24
Originally posted by panos panos wrote:

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If by mistake you overfill it, there is a spray of blackwater to the neighboring boatConfused. If this happens do not forget to thoroughly clean the vent tube and hole by overfilling the tank with hot water and special detergent!!.................ConfusedOuchDead.


BTW .... and, what do you do with your neighbour after this "mistake"?Confused
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Diane Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 September 2011 at 14:36
You can actually access the black water tanks.  Just use that same rubber thing (round) that you use to pull up the bilge doors. The one in the aft head is located just to the right of the sink - just place the rubber thing on and slide/pull the cover off.  For the aft, just place the rubber thing on the cover which is actually located above the port side seating, to the right of the hull long window - located in the MAIN salon.  Hope this make some sort of sense....  You can actually use a torch and see how full the tanks are.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote alain Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 November 2011 at 18:27
Hi all friends,
Many thanks for all you information and inputs!
I became a specialist in toilet pumping -- to pump -- then some air bubbles, sometimes some waste comes back -- then pump again and pump more ...  sometimes with fast small strokes, sometimes with slower long stokes... I got a feeling for the best method according to the toilets behavior...!
Cruising around in the south of Turkey and in the Agean sea for 6 Month I somehow started to accept the situation, because in all other aspects I experienced the 445 as great boat!
Besides the toilet there is only one thing I will change -- I want to change the standard anchor to something with more holding power (in the middle of the night...). Chain I have already 100m instead of 60m. 
Now -- as we often have guests and they miss the special toilet skill's -- I will try a new approach to the toilet mystery.
The situation is
- one of the tanks has been taken out and inspected by the Turkish Hanse dealer -- the tank is OK
- the waste tubes have been inspected by the Hanse dealer -- OK
- the air ventilation has been inspected -- OK
- the pump membranes have been inspected -- OK
If the difference in altitude which the pump has to overcome is too much for the pump, other 445's would have the same problem. 
Eventually we have 2 toilets out of a production batch with a pump problem... I will try to find out....
any other idea?
But again -- after this 6 month experience of sailing the 445 I am totally enthusiastic about this boat!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote hanafe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 July 2012 at 13:52
We have exactly the same problem you have and "filled" our bilge with fresh water two times already because of loose pipe connection. In our case it happenend on the cold water pipes.
I need to find all connections now, step by step, to tighten and secure them.
We took posession in Feb 12, and still have the same problem as you describe.
 
 
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ontario1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 July 2012 at 15:04
Hi hanafe

Regarding the leaking from the freshwater pump.

Here is how I solve my problem.

In my case it was related to the air pressure building in the pipes due to the water heater working while the engine ran for more than 30 minutes.

(Water heater heats up water also with only engine running via the coolant going through)

The pipe started leaking one after another. After secured one that leaked with 2 rings. another one start leaking.

Now what I do is that if I do not need the water I turn off the fresh water pump but leave the kitchen sink hot water tap open, this way the pressure does not build-up.

The manual of the water heater also talks about making sure to bleed the pipes before the water heater start running (from electricity or from the engine cooling system)

Hope this help

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