461 Windlass Tips

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   Cool, thanks guys, this is really helpful, sometimes it is nice to have confirmation of your suspisions, but also have some views challenged.

Prehaps the real saving is Hanse no longer have sales staff and are benefiting from all you guys selling their boats for them!!!

Cheers

Brad

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Brad McMaster Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Commadore Joined: 27 September 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 383	Post Options Post Reply Quote Brad McMaster Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 03 October 2006 at 15:20
	Cool, thanks guys, this is really helpful, sometimes it is nice to have confirmation of your suspisions, but also have some views challenged. Prehaps the real saving is Hanse no longer have sales staff and are benefiting from all you guys selling their boats for them!!! Cheers Brad

Alain & Anne Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Rear Admiral Joined: 13 December 2005 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 562	Post Options Post Reply Quote Alain & Anne Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 03 October 2006 at 17:20
	John, you are absolutly right about cost saving and the new production plant has something to do with the 30k€. Of course any boat of any size can sail bluewater. I sailed atalntic twice in the early 80ties (last century) on a 37ft with sextant clock and table and no gps, no blu, a pair of good lewmar (!) winches and good sails. I suggested that the 470 is a marketing evolution of the 461. The quick decision to delay the 430 and to push the 470 and 540 in production was certainly based on that. The cost saving on gears and equipement is probably around 10k€, the new deck has a more suitable design for moulding (guess where the cokpit lazarettes are gone!) which could have killed hours of workmanship and you get the new price: The very good thing is that hull, rig, sails are the same and the boat is said as a bit better balanced in term of weight of equipement, and you get it for a lower price!! Hanse could have keep the difference to improve their balance sheet!! I was ready to sign for a 461 and now I will wait for a real try of the 470!! Cheers Alain
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John Allison Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Rear Admiral Joined: 23 November 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 742	Post Options Post Reply Quote John Allison Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 06 November 2006 at 12:18
	Hi Alain, Re your last note - seems the 470 sails are cross cuts and not D cuts as provided with most 461's. I see there are new neaw D cts for sale eslewhere on the site - might be a good way to increase quality and reduce costs........... JOHN
	No longer a Hanse owner - but loved the one we had!

Brad McMaster Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Commadore Joined: 27 September 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 383	Post Options Post Reply Quote Brad McMaster Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 06 November 2006 at 12:27
	Hey guys, the D cuts norlams are a circa £5k-£6k option, so back to the previous points about price reductions, there in lies another hefty difference.

Lolo Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Sub Lieutenant Joined: 10 December 2006 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 14	Post Options Post Reply Quote Lolo Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 December 2006 at 21:21
	Hi John i'm new in the forum that I just discovered I'm owner of the 461#35 since february 2005 I read a lot of remarks ...very interesting (not always easy for me in english...) I 'll prepared some pictures of modifications I made asap Best regards and good wind

John Allison Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Rear Admiral Joined: 23 November 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 742	Post Options Post Reply Quote John Allison Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 December 2006 at 17:04
	Bonjour Lolo, We got ours early 2005 also so guess the boats are almost twins! Look forward to seeing some of your modifications - et Bon Noel! JOHN
	No longer a Hanse owner - but loved the one we had!

Lolo Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Sub Lieutenant Joined: 10 December 2006 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 14	Post Options Post Reply Quote Lolo Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 December 2006 at 21:19
	hi john thanks for quick reply my 461 is #35 and your? where is your boat? what yr plan for 2007 please could yu tell me if your modification for anchor is good or have ou still some problems with the chain? rgds Lolo

John Allison Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Rear Admiral Joined: 23 November 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 742	Post Options Post Reply Quote John Allison Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 December 2006 at 08:17
	Hi Lolo, Ours was only hull #7 - so they must have had a busy production in that year end if yours was #35. Our boat is currently in Turkey - Kemer Park Marina on Med coast. Our plans for 2007 are on our blog - www.yotblog.com/swagman. And the modifications we made to the anchor system seem to work fine! Regards JOHN Edited by John Allison - 14 December 2006 at 08:17
	No longer a Hanse owner - but loved the one we had!

tobo Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Joined: 01 February 2006 Location: Switzerland Status: Offline Points: 263	Post Options Post Reply Quote tobo Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 December 2006 at 11:26
	As I don't want the foldable achorage system on my 470, I thought of using the free space of the achorbox for sail (gennaker) storage and will ask my dealer to make a separation and make it waterproof. Further on I asked wether the windlass can be supplied with a rope drum to pull in mooring lines in difficult harbour conditions or a second anchor on a line. Accoring to Hanse their windlass cannot take a addional rope drum on the opposite side. As I don't have take the original windlass I was looking around for alternatives and found the Quick Eagle 1400 a very good solution (www.quickitaly.com). The gypsy and the drum can be used separately (by opening the brake). They also have a very neat wired remote control with a display for chaincounter. I've never seen pictures of 461/470 foredecks without the foldable achor and I wonder what you guys have installed. Edited by tobo - 31 December 2006 at 14:15
	Thomi

CARAMEL Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Sub Lieutenant Joined: 12 December 2005 Location: Belgium Status: Offline Points: 19	Post Options Post Reply Quote CARAMEL Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 December 2006 at 14:16
	Hi Tobo, I just want to say that I ordered my 470 also without foldable anchor ( for the same reason). I also haven't seen any pictures. On other models like 370/400 the anchorsysthem has a bowsprit and that's somethinh I like to have !! Best regards Marc



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